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@salubri84 said:
just saying, all that "we cant mention it" sounds really paranoid and some kind of herd mentality if you ask me though

It's cause that "evidence" doesn't exist.

If EME were actually just listening to the top tcp players we would've gotten Sword and Girls first for Task Force. (inb4 BUt BAi iSn'T OuT!!)

People are just trying to find ways to justify their whining about "slow patch updates" and making theories out of their ass about how corrupt eme, the player council, and top tcp players are.

@Meowtingbard said:

Reading this makes me wonder 3 things:

1- What does this have to do with the current patch? This thread is after all for discussing the patch, nothing more.

2- How can a FB group be the mayority of the player base? 137 votes in particular, I know not many people play this but im pretty sure 137 isnt enough to be the mayority, heck its not even 10% of the members of that group.

3- Whats the point of the poll exactly? I see no reason to put Seth in that poll, its a closed group so I cant even see it, if the poll was about "Who do you want to be released on eme first?" then of course BaI would win, she has been out for longer so she deserves to be first.

When did people start to love Bai so much? Am I the only one that remembers she was HATED on reveal and release because she was yet more "waifu bait" and also yet another sword user instead of a guy? It seems like that hate went towards Seth once she was revealed, just without the sword thing and change "waifu bait" for "loli bait" (I find all of this to be silly, im actually looking foward to playing both)

Anyway my patch is done, my Tina needs her tf.

@RCmachine said:
There is no discussion to be had about this
JUST FUCKING DO IT

advertised in facebook (like the sponsored thingy) to get more new players
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

@salubri84 said:
just saying, all that "we cant mention it" sounds really paranoid and some kind of herd mentality if you ask me though

Not really, I can guess the person is talking about this:

Be Constructive:
All opinions are welcome, including criticism and disagreement, but all posts must be stated in a constructive manner. This means, among other things, no personal attacks, no flaming/baiting others, excessive capital letters/punctuating, and no call-outs. If you have a complaint or criticism, provide constructive suggestions on how the problem might be addressed. Don't attack the developers, the staff, or other forum posters. Threads and posts that do not meet these requirements may be edited or removed, in whole or in part, at the sole discretion of the moderation staff. This forum is meant for active players that are interested in supporting and improving the game and its community.

Source: https://forums.enmasse.com/closers/discussion/5/forum-rules-amp-guidelines#latest

Technically, if someone start calling out people and saying mean stuff about them, that could be taken as some sort of harrasment.

While the rule is not explicitly saying to not name people, it could be interpreted as a sort of no name, no shame rule. In many game forums that I used in the past there was a "No name, No shame" rule. This would mean that if a forum user directly accuses someone of something, the person would be breaking said rule, in most of the cases this would be considered like some sort of harrasment or defamation (of course not in a real legal way, but as in the forum rules) This could end in the user doing the naming and shaming being forum-jailed or even banned.

Regardless of the side any one takes in this whole drama, I highly recommend to avoid naming and shaming people. Not only it is overall rude, but also the ones doing it could indeed get a ban for it.

@salubri84 said:
looks like this is "slowly" becoming into another "boo hoo, eme doesnt relese Bai, me and milions of people dont play your game because you ignore us and delay bai release" type of post

IMO: The issue isn't so much 'wah delayed Bai release' so much as I literally couldn't tell you if there was -- in the grander scheme of things -- a gap between Soma and Luna release (It was a month because those are trash tier waifus EME can't plan for beans). I can also hardly remember those characters' names. Yet...like a 4 month gap between those two and Bai? Doesn't feel right. This is why games like PoE have a consistent 4-13 week schedule. To (help) prevent things from feeling 'unfair' in their releases.

This also reveals one of the strengths/weaknesses in this game's design (And if 'Ensemble Casts' in general).

No one cares about characters that aren't their waifu/husbando. I no-lifed Harpy to 82 MONTHS before the cap increase. I struggled to get pedobait Tina to 20. I would kill other people's children for Wolfgang. Who even is J? What's a Sylvi? It sounds like a disappointment.

I'm basically only trying to min-max my Wolfgang at this point. Not because I necessarily even want to play the game, but only because I want to play WOLFGANG. Then when Bai comes out I'll play Bai until I'm bored (Prob. til I need Queen's eye equip) because she's waifu and be stuck waiting for the next character I find cool like the rest of us.

This is just what happens when a game that bases itself on different character types and classes -- especially ones like those of Elsword and Closers in which the ensemble cast has each character dedicated to a defined 'Aesthetic' and style of play -- delays a character: People leave, because in their minds the ACTUAL content that's important to them is delayed. And rightfully so.

just saying, all that "we cant mention it" sounds really paranoid and some kind of herd mentality if you ask me though

not to attack anyone but can you people show real statistics as proof? always see the same people claiming "the majority" is against the current path and that only the "minority elite" is being heard, but never seen a really hard proof of this, just being curios dont take it seriously

1 month till bai, see you guys in april :pepedab: