We should get Seth before Bai.

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  • @Nathaniel697 said:

    @Rieid said:
    @SolarGeo I agree. I mean I can't deny that both Shia and Kitae are evil human beings and as I said before, I don not justify their evil actions, but at least in the case of shia I can understand her action since she is pretty much nuts. And in the case of kitae perhaps the only thing that made me want to punch him in the face was when at some point he beat Celine + the whole fox girl stuff, but at least in case of fox girl, she actually pay him back so that actually made me laugh.

    Now going back to Union: another thing that I forget to mention and that I am surprised that no one really bring up is related to the whole children soldier thing. If you look at big picture: even the good people that are part of the union are extremely unethical. Take the whole team that back you up while playing as black lamb. For them is pretty normal to have children and underage teens used as Bioweapons. If I remember correctly the only ones that mention some sort of guilt at some point are Miss Kim and J, and for them is something like:"Ohh it is a shame, children should not be doing this but we are short on people so we at least will help them in some way..."
    Pretty much all the other members of the team see the BL team as something completly normal, so to my conclusion they clearly don't give a damn about that. Same can be said about wildhuter team.

    Now dont get me wrong, I am not questioning the morals of the game or the developer or anything like that (I am not the pc/sjw type) I know that young characters and lolis sell, so I understand why the developer made the story as it is.

    But my point is that inside the game universe: if you compare a villain like shia with your average union employee, even the less evil ones. One can say that actually villains like Shia, Kitae + others are as evil if not less than Union. At least in the case of the villians, they are portrayed as bad human beings since the beginning, they are created with the whole purpose of being hated by the player. While Union is suposed to be the saviors and protectors of humanity, still they end up being as evil as the villains, and not only the ones that are corrupt like David, kitae or the leader, but the whole Union.

    Aside from that I don't really feel hate for any of the villains in closers, this mainly due the fact that non of the villains manage to kill too much, most of them are stoped before doing too much damage. If we look at the most OP and evil ones, I could say David, but he is already dead. Perhaps the only that is really annoying and always get away with all her evil stuff is Dust, but aside from her all the others are kind of mehh..

    If i could think of a really evil villain from another game, a villain that you could really hate, first one that comes to my mind is Albedo from Xenosaga 1. That one is a real psychopath: Imagine a male version of Shia but with super powers and actually killing people instead of just torture them, even worse the guy torture and kill young girls, so more disturbing. if we add to that a really good voice acting (at least his english voice really felt like a psycho) You end up with a really disturbing character. Considering nowadays pc/sjw culture, I am pretty sure that if that game was released today, the outrage from the twitter activists would be huge..

    Well, you can hate evil characters, but you can also love them if they are very good developed.
    Also, right now i can name only two real EVIL characters in Closers: David and President of... Union iirc. The one that shows in the end of season 3, also you can see him in Bai story trailer.
    Shia became evil, Kitae became evil because of David(just like Irina), Hana not evil at all, Camilla became evil because of Union. Ash, Dust and other Dimensional monsters are not that evil, compared to David and President of Union.
    Also i'd better choose Shia, than some antagonist from most of other media(anime, films, etc.), because:
    She's very good character, and she's one of the best antagonist in the games, that i have ever found. Also she have good relations with Harpy, sadly there is no Yuri content with them(((

    Yeah when I say hate what I mean is that If the villain is really evil and well developed you legit want at some point said character to pay for his/her actions. And that is one of the reasons why I like Shia as character, because is undeniable that most of us who played Levia or Nata, really hated on her. So in other words: an evil character that is disturbing and antagonistic it is well developed villain in my opinion.

    I actually feel that Dust is as evil as David if not more. The thing with Dust is that she is a dimensional, so all her evil actions towards humans can be ignored by many people for what I said in a previous post. But people also tend to ignore her due Dust not having too much screen. She and Ash only show up during key moments, and in the case of the Lambs story, they even seem to help the human side. But true is that they are way more cunning and evil than what people may think. Also Dust shows the same manipulative and cruel behavior as David, using both human and dimensional alike, experimenting on them, killing them etc, this with the key diference that David do all the evil things he does in order to achieve his goal. Dust is similar in that aspect, but she also seem to enjoy making her victims suffer. She + Ash use kalbach then betray him, they try to transform Hana into a monster, Dust even:

    kills shubs fiance/husband/whatever, then uses his mind and put it inside another monster body if I am not wrong, then she end up twisting shubs's mind and getting her killed. Dust even end up absorbing her own brother.

    The thing with David is that he is more the sort of cold blooded villain with lust for power. While Dust is pretty much like David, but with the sadistic side of Shia and later in the story with unlimited power.

    Now, about the character that I mentioned from that other game. I legit feel that as villain is way more evil and frightening than pretty much any villain from closers. Perhaps is more a visual/sound thing. Since in that game you actually see the guy doing some disturbing stuff and actually enjoying it. And as I said before the voice acting for the guy on the english version sound even more disturbing than the original japanese version of the game. Heck, even the background music that they use for that character is creepy as f..

  • @Rieid said:
    To be fair, regardless of how evil Shia and kitae could be, the real evil ones in my opinion are actually the whole Union. If you think about it Union is a really shady and corrupted organization.

    Is Shia evil? Of course, but she is nothing more than your average psychopath with thirst for revenge, she is in reality the product of Vulture and Union corruption. Of course this does not justify all her evil actions, but at least allow you to understand why she does the things she does.
    Kitae sure is a bad person, but aside from the destruction of public and private property, he doesn't really manage to kill anyone.

    On the other hand Union:

    • Have clearly a hidden agenda of some sort, most likely with political and monetary gains as objective.
    • They make all sort of unethical experiments like the whole alpha queen cloning thing or the Camila human battery project.
    • They use POWs as energy to contain Veronica.
    • Add to that more shady unethical stuff like: Mistel, soma, Luna, Seth and who knows how many more.
    • And talking about brats: they use underage brats as super soldiers to fight monsters, this does not only include all the artificial childrens, but also pretty much the whole Black lambs team except J.
    • And talking about J. They abuse War hero veteran soldiers.
    • They make shady deals with the Enemy, even the head of union is part of it.
    • They try to kill their agents once they become too powerful (Trainer + others), or make their lives a living hell if they know that cant kill (Jisu).
    • They try to make shady deals with super powers, this in the form of using super human weapons (closers) against the enemies of said nations.
    • They make shady deals with mega corporations (Vulture)

    I mean there are plenty of more stuff, but I think that is enough already. Heck If you think about it, they are even worse than the dimensionals, after all the monsters are aliens from another dimension, so they are just fighting for their own interests.

    you forgot to add the inhuman experiment they did to fuse dimensional monster on poor orphans then let them fight to death for survival till the last man standing which resulted to our psychopath wolf Nata

  • @Nathaniel697 said:

    @Rieid said:
    @SolarGeo I agree. I mean I can't deny that both Shia and Kitae are evil human beings and as I said before, I don not justify their evil actions, but at least in the case of shia I can understand her action since she is pretty much nuts. And in the case of kitae perhaps the only thing that made me want to punch him in the face was when at some point he beat Celine + the whole fox girl stuff, but at least in case of fox girl, she actually pay him back so that actually made me laugh.

    Now going back to Union: another thing that I forget to mention and that I am surprised that no one really bring up is related to the whole children soldier thing. If you look at big picture: even the good people that are part of the union are extremely unethical. Take the whole team that back you up while playing as black lamb. For them is pretty normal to have children and underage teens used as Bioweapons. If I remember correctly the only ones that mention some sort of guilt at some point are Miss Kim and J, and for them is something like:"Ohh it is a shame, children should not be doing this but we are short on people so we at least will help them in some way..."
    Pretty much all the other members of the team see the BL team as something completly normal, so to my conclusion they clearly don't give a damn about that. Same can be said about wildhuter team.

    Now dont get me wrong, I am not questioning the morals of the game or the developer or anything like that (I am not the pc/sjw type) I know that young characters and lolis sell, so I understand why the developer made the story as it is.

    But my point is that inside the game universe: if you compare a villain like shia with your average union employee, even the less evil ones. One can say that actually villains like Shia, Kitae + others are as evil if not less than Union. At least in the case of the villians, they are portrayed as bad human beings since the beginning, they are created with the whole purpose of being hated by the player. While Union is suposed to be the saviors and protectors of humanity, still they end up being as evil as the villains, and not only the ones that are corrupt like David, kitae or the leader, but the whole Union.

    Aside from that I don't really feel hate for any of the villains in closers, this mainly due the fact that non of the villains manage to kill too much, most of them are stoped before doing too much damage. If we look at the most OP and evil ones, I could say David, but he is already dead. Perhaps the only that is really annoying and always get away with all her evil stuff is Dust, but aside from her all the others are kind of mehh..

    If i could think of a really evil villain from another game, a villain that you could really hate, first one that comes to my mind is Albedo from Xenosaga 1. That one is a real psychopath: Imagine a male version of Shia but with super powers and actually killing people instead of just torture them, even worse the guy torture and kill young girls, so more disturbing. if we add to that a really good voice acting (at least his english voice really felt like a psycho) You end up with a really disturbing character. Considering nowadays pc/sjw culture, I am pretty sure that if that game was released today, the outrage from the twitter activists would be huge..

    Well, you can hate evil characters, but you can also love them if they are very good developed.
    Also, right now i can name only two real EVIL characters in Closers: David and President of... Union iirc. The one that shows in the end of season 3, also you can see him in Bai story trailer.
    Shia became evil, Kitae became evil because of David(just like Irina), Hana not evil at all, Camilla became evil because of Union. Ash, Dust and other Dimensional monsters are not that evil, compared to David and President of Union.
    Also i'd better choose Shia, than some antagonist from most of other media(anime, films, etc.), because:
    She's very good character, and she's one of the best antagonist in the games, that i have ever found. Also she have good relations with Harpy, sadly there is no Yuri content with them(((

    This is where you will realize that the true enemy in closers isn't dimensional monsters but rather the corrupted humans themselves who wanted power , infact despite being enemies the higher ups of dimensional monster themselves save the asses of each single character we have when they are in a situation they can't find any solution or in a prickle

  • @Vincentv95 said:
    Don´t choose seth, only villians choose seth. Bai is the right girl...Seth too edgy is like the little sister of nata or something like that. Gameplay wise lol I don´t know...have to test both.

    I guess I'm a villain? shrugs lol

  • for some new costume NA is faster than any server

  • I think thats where most people are annoyed. More gacha than content. But now we should avoid trying to reach max upgrade value on cores and mods as beelzebuzz raid might come after September.

  • Today I'll remind them:

  • @Masazumi said:
    Today I'll remind them:

    I totally agree with you.

    Shia_the_best_girl

    Shia x Harpy is perfect

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