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We all see the blame on HEALS in the dungeons runs.

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  • TWMagimayTWMagimay ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    Soube21 wrote: »
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    admonitu wrote: »
    But, I get it. You can go ahead and keep playing only with good tanks and DPS, so it looks like you're doing a terrific job.
    This is the issue with a lot of healers, they play with people who don't get hit much, and as such don't actually heal, then get upset when they are in a group that needs heals. Don't understand the point in playing a game if all someone wants to mainly do is watch other people play.

    Because the majority of dungeons have one shot mechanics that these idiots don't dodge either. There are a lot of things a healer can heal, but a skill that deals 100% of your hp no matter how high your hp is, is not one of them.

    Even in the cases where you can survive it though, it's still more your fault than it is the healers because EVERY CLASS in the game has several iframe skills that can blink almost any attack.

    The only cases where I actually blame a healer is when I'm sitting at 20% hp for like 30-60 seconds without even an attempt to heal me.

    It was already made clear we aren't talking about one shots, since you can't heal one shots. I am talking about healers who say dodge/block everything. Dodging everything makes the run slower. Healers don't only complain when people die, I've seen plenty of them yell at people face tanking for higher dps.

    Because most people don't bother to tell the healer they plan on facetanking for dps.
  • ArdireArdire ✭✭✭✭✭
    duo heal meta is dead dude. it died with sshm peak days. rip in pizza
  • VirtualONVirtualON ✭✭✭
    Who told you to play on NA with crap ping and ask other people to lower the standards for you?

    If they can facetank, they can dps faster and finish the dungeons faster.

    Don't blame others for being needy when you are a sub par healer.
  • KimimishanKimimishan ✭✭✭
    VirtualON wrote: »
    lower the standards for you?

    Asking for DPS in the back is lowered standards, gotcha
  • aeee98aeee98 ✭✭✭✭
    VirtualON wrote: »
    Who told you to play on NA with crap ping and ask other people to lower the standards for you?

    If they can facetank, they can dps faster and finish the dungeons faster.

    Don't blame others for being needy when you are a sub par healer.

    Anyone who have seen how p2w every server outside of NA (I am serious btw, try other servers to understand what I mean) is would say they would rather play in NA. And most of the NA server players who play outside NA/EU live in a server without Tera access anyway lol.

    I am expecting a "then don't play this game" toxic nonsense actually. It is not like all healers with high ping are completely useless lol. Plus what Ziomicio said is technically a legitimate issue. It can be bandaided with healing immersion + healing circle + kaias (should be enough to heal all unless you have very bad aim or your team is hopelessly scattered in which you probably won't be able to properly burn anyway). TN + ES in high ping can cost nearly 2s instead of the 1s if you have low ping.

  • cheekibreekicheekibreeki ✭✭✭
    Whoever said to be proactive instead of reactive hit the nail on the head. Even at higher ping, a good healer can predict the needs of their party before anything even happens.
  • FaytEsteemFaytEsteem ✭✭✭
    VirtualON wrote: »
    Who told you to play on NA with crap ping and ask other people to lower the standards for you?

    If they can facetank, they can dps faster and finish the dungeons faster.

    Don't blame others for being needy when you are a sub par healer.

    So asking the dps to group while they facetank so they can use their bigger heals is a lower standard? Okay, gotcha.
  • cheekibreekicheekibreeki ✭✭✭
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    VirtualON wrote: »
    Who told you to play on NA with crap ping and ask other people to lower the standards for you?

    If they can facetank, they can dps faster and finish the dungeons faster.

    Don't blame others for being needy when you are a sub par healer.

    So asking the dps to group while they facetank so they can use their bigger heals is a lower standard? Okay, gotcha.

    I get the struggle for sure, don't get me wrong. If I know a mechanic is coming up that they're gonna wanna facetank, I try to take preemptive measures to mitigate it. For example, I'll pop double circles and target everyone with Focus Heal before SSNM Imperator pizza. Then I can dodge the mechanic and hit the group (wherever they are) with heals when needed. It's the "proactive vs reactive" bit.
  • FaytEsteemFaytEsteem ✭✭✭
    edited March 2017
    cheekibreeki wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    VirtualON wrote: »
    Who told you to play on NA with crap ping and ask other people to lower the standards for you?

    If they can facetank, they can dps faster and finish the dungeons faster.

    Don't blame others for being needy when you are a sub par healer.

    So asking the dps to group while they facetank so they can use their bigger heals is a lower standard? Okay, gotcha.

    I get the struggle for sure, don't get me wrong. If I know a mechanic is coming up that they're gonna wanna facetank, I try to take preemptive measures to mitigate it. For example, I'll pop double circles and target everyone with Focus Heal before SSNM Imperator pizza. Then I can dodge the mechanic and hit the group (wherever they are) with heals when needed. It's the "proactive vs reactive" bit.

    Same here, SSNM imperator pizza I always make sure to titanic favor everyone and once I see someone take a hit from a pizza I try to heal and relock on asap. Though in 2nd boss of SSNM I always get that 1 dps who loves to run from me when I try to heal through the pizza while the other 3 tend to stay grouped around the boss.
  • cheekibreekicheekibreeki ✭✭✭
    I can healcarry pretty much any party who isn't braindead. If you're dying in my party there's something wrong with you or you need to let your cat stop playing TERA. :3
  • ShikineShikine ✭✭✭✭
    cheekibreeki wrote: »
    I can healcarry pretty much any party who isn't braindead. If you're dying in my party there's something wrong with you or you need to let your cat stop playing TERA. :3

    kek nice bait there mate, you have never run with braindead ppl then ;) gotta get out of your bubble
  • AlundrraAlundrra ✭
    Facetanking..........we should make a seperate thread about that.

    Who needs mechanics when you're all facetanking everything eh?
  • EndevaEndeva ✭✭✭✭✭
    VirtualON wrote: »
    Who told you to play on NA with crap ping and ask other people to lower the standards for you?

    If they can facetank, they can dps faster and finish the dungeons faster.

    Don't blame others for being needy when you are a sub par healer.

    Dead DPS don't make runs faster. In fact, it can make 20 minute dungeons take several hours.


    admonitu wrote: »
    I had the pleasure of reading a guide written by my friend and probably the best healer in TR and I also had the pleasure of tanking in his runs. This guy is able to carry 1-2 first timers that paint the floor in RMHM as solo healing priest and somehow manage to resurrect them God knows how many times they die and still clear the run. We may have 1-2 wipes in the process, but still clear it in the end.

    "The one thing I believe that separates good healers from bad healers is mentality. Generally, if a teammate dies, it usually isn’t your fault. However, there is always something that you could’ve done better. If you notice that your team is dying a lot, step back and think about ways you could potentially reduce the number of party deaths. You always want to be proactive about healing, not reactive."

    I respect the healers with this kind of mentality. As someone who took a support role that many people avoid (because they like to see high damage numbers and they hate responsibility), you're held to higher standards just like the tanks. Yes, I understand that there isn't anything you can do about people getting killed by one-shot mech and there are brain-dead players out there. But, instead of crying because they "blamed" you for their own incompetency and acting high and mighty, you can take this chance to be better at your class. Let's face it, there are just as many bad healers out there as there are bad DPS/tanks. But, I get it. You can go ahead and keep playing only with good tanks and DPS, so it looks like you're doing a terrific job.

    I'm sure your friend's mentality is great for self improvement, but I've taken it to the next level. One of my method to teaching pugs is by conditioning. Whenever tanking, I would position boss that would place players out of their comfort zone and encourage different way of playing. As a healer, I would tone down healing to encourage others to block and dodge.

    The first time I heard of overhealing was during Wonderholme content. Raid leader ended up dying due to face tanking, he suggested to overheal and he rage quit after I suggested to dodge. I took over leading WHHM, the run became a lot faster and smoother after the WoW players left!
  • EndevaEndeva ✭✭✭✭✭
    VirtualON wrote: »
    Who told you to play on NA with crap ping and ask other people to lower the standards for you?

    If they can facetank, they can dps faster and finish the dungeons faster.

    Don't blame others for being needy when you are a sub par healer.

    Dead DPS don't make runs faster. In fact, it can turn a 20 minute dungeon run into several hours.


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