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  • edited March 2017
    HLK76PFWXT wrote: »
    I remember you from some 2 years ago when i was failing on my +15 weapon going back to +12 even after spending more than 700k and you were telling me that it is fine ( do you even play this game? ). That until later when the system was finally changed not letting us to go back to +12 anymore..
    That wasn't what I said at the time, by the way. It was that the rate of success was taking the chance of failure into account, and that they wouldn't just remove the chance of reverting without also changing the rate so that the average net cost was the same. And, actually, that's exactly what happened. (And yes, I do play this game regularly.)

    HLK76PFWXT wrote: »
    Anyway, the ghillieglade on EU it is not as restricted as it sounds ( there is one free entry per day from elite while any other entry would cost 400 vanguard points and it has rewards from roughly 2.5k gold per run to VM mats and other things ).
    It's still much more expensive than it is here. But if you're suggesting that that it'd better to switch to this cost structure if it meant the rewards could be the same, it could be suggested. But you can't just change the rewards without looking at the cost as well. (And actually, that's basically the same point I was making two years ago about enchanting, as it turns out. Everything is balanced between cost and benefit. Just making something more rewarding won't happen unless it's counterbalanced by cost.)

    HLK76PFWXT wrote: »
    The idea is that they are trying to improve the current content making players to be interested because for example a player can buy elite to do vanguard dailies to run ghillieglade to get materials and gold to participate at the pvpve events that they make having fun all the while being satisfied with the elite.. but on NA there is no system that makes players to want to get involved which ends up with the PvP and sometimes PvE being dead.
    Well, it's also worth keeping in mind that, in EU, they don't have "Elite Vouchers" like we have here, so there's no way to get this extra benefit except if you're a directly-paying customer. So even then, the logistics of Elite are a bit different.

    And I'm not so sure that just making Ghilliglade more rewarding really solves all that much; generally people don't seem to enjoy that content much. But it's probably possible.
  • PamcakePamcake ✭✭✭
    Jerichow wrote: »
    Pamcake wrote: »
    yime wrote: »
    people complaining about the free emp make no sense

    "yeah sure but 15 emp isn't that great man. it's too late for this"

    i'd personally rather have free emp and no emp so.....

    you take what you can get i suppose

    There's not such thing as free. We are paying for Elite.

    You pay literally nothing more than you already were before.... but now get extra stuff on top of it... at NO. ADDITIONAL. COST. But you have the gall and audacity to complain and say that "it's not free, I pay for it" - You pay for Elite Status, and they gave you more without jacking up the cost... that's practically the definition of free. But you still complain...

    facepalm.jpg

    You don't understand simple economy, sir.
  • TomRipleyTomRipley ✭✭✭
    edited March 2017
    At all those arguing that the EMP are free: they would be free if you got them even without elite. Since you pay for elite (either with cash or gold), what you get now is a better deal for your money than before. But without paying up for elite, you still get nothing. ("Wait, I get nothing despite not paying? But it's FREE!") This argument about getting something for free once you pay is either logically flawed, or we are talking about some kind of discount or better deal here. Free to me means that you pay nothing at all (hence free) but still get something.

    As for the changes to elite, EMP and the flying mount: thank you, EME. Elite is now an even better deal than before.
  • PamcakePamcake ✭✭✭
    TomRipley wrote: »
    At all those arguing that the EMP are free: they would be free if you got them even without elite. Since you pay for elite (either with cash or gold), what you get now is a better deal for your money than before. But without paying up for elite, you still get nothing. ("Wait, I get nothing despite not paying? But it's FREE!") This argument about getting something for free once you pay is either logically flawed, or we are talking about some kind of discount or better deal here. Free to me means that you pay nothing at all (hence free) but still get something.

    As for the changes to elite, EMP and the flying mount: thank you, EME. Elite is now an even better deal than before.

    Well said. EMP is not free, but it's a good update for Elite status.
  • seraphinushseraphinush ✭✭✭✭
    And I'm not so sure that just making Ghilliglade more rewarding really solves all that much; generally people don't seem to enjoy that content much. But it's probably possible.

    Couldn't agree more. the rewards could be better, but no one likes to grind it anyways
  • KimimishanKimimishan ✭✭✭
    edited March 2017
    God what a fuss.

    Some facts:
    -EMP can only be obtained through real money.
    -450 EMP being given for the same price is 450 EMP that you did not pay for; hence this is 450 free EMP.
    -One can argue that the x price of Elite now includes this y amount of EMP that you are thus paying for now. This argument would be relevant if there was any other way to earn EMP than real money, which there isn't; hence free.

    I feel like insulting so here goes ...
    You thickheaded pumpkins.

    Edit: I forgot something.
    -Will this affect the price of EMP ? nmh ...
  • YuxibrYuxibr ✭✭✭
    Youre getting 450 EMP for free and youre not paying any additional for it. Why would you complain about it?
  • 15 emps, thanks that's really nice (let's keep an eye on how the price of items get tweaked by 5 emps here and there in the coming months . . . )

    I'm still bored though. How about some meaty content? Not a room with an HP piñata or a class to play everything all over again with?
  • So.. What about all the years before i had elite...
  • I can once say this :awesome: :+1: EMPLOSIONS!
    ty anmasse >:3
  • TomRipleyTomRipley ✭✭✭
    edited March 2017
    Kimimishan wrote: »
    -One can argue that the x price of Elite now includes this y amount of EMP that you are thus paying for now. This argument would be relevant if there was any other way to earn EMP than real money, which there isn't; hence free.

    Yes, with elite now you get double dungeon entries, free Ghillie, free flying mount, double Vanguard creds, no broker fee and so on. And now even EMP. All for free. Of course you have to pay for elite to get that, but once you have paid, it's free. :awesome:
  • TomRipley wrote: »
    Kimimishan wrote: »
    -One can argue that the x price of Elite now includes this y amount of EMP that you are thus paying for now. This argument would be relevant if there was any other way to earn EMP than real money, which there isn't; hence free.

    Yes, with elite now you get double dungeon entries, free Ghillie, free flying mount, double Vanguard creds, no broker fee and so on. And now even EMP. All for free. Of course you have to pay for elite to get that, but once you have paid, it's free. :awesome:

    Last post I waste here, pumpkin, with another fact !
    -4 months of Elite will roughly grant you 1 Voucher-worth of EMP. That's, roughly, 2 months something of free Elite per year, how much is Elite anyway ... 15 bucks, 20 bucks, so 30 to 40$ of free merchandise.

    But I'm sure the enlightened logic of pumpkins is superior.
  • KarmaTheAlligatorKarmaTheAlligator ✭✭✭✭✭
    Kimimishan wrote: »
    TomRipley wrote: »
    Kimimishan wrote: »
    -One can argue that the x price of Elite now includes this y amount of EMP that you are thus paying for now. This argument would be relevant if there was any other way to earn EMP than real money, which there isn't; hence free.

    Yes, with elite now you get double dungeon entries, free Ghillie, free flying mount, double Vanguard creds, no broker fee and so on. And now even EMP. All for free. Of course you have to pay for elite to get that, but once you have paid, it's free. :awesome:

    Last post I waste here, pumpkin, with another fact !
    -4 months of Elite will roughly grant you 1 Voucher-worth of EMP. That's, roughly, 2 months something of free Elite per year, how much is Elite anyway ... 15 bucks, 20 bucks, so 30 to 40$ of free merchandise.

    But I'm sure the enlightened logic of pumpkins is superior.

    I am baffled by your definition of free.
  • YamazukiYamazuki ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2017
    Kimimishan wrote: »
    TomRipley wrote: »
    Kimimishan wrote: »
    -One can argue that the x price of Elite now includes this y amount of EMP that you are thus paying for now. This argument would be relevant if there was any other way to earn EMP than real money, which there isn't; hence free.

    Yes, with elite now you get double dungeon entries, free Ghillie, free flying mount, double Vanguard creds, no broker fee and so on. And now even EMP. All for free. Of course you have to pay for elite to get that, but once you have paid, it's free. :awesome:

    Last post I waste here, pumpkin, with another fact !
    -4 months of Elite will roughly grant you 1 Voucher-worth of EMP. That's, roughly, 2 months something of free Elite per year, how much is Elite anyway ... 15 bucks, 20 bucks, so 30 to 40$ of free merchandise.

    But I'm sure the enlightened logic of pumpkins is superior.

    I am baffled by your definition of free.

    By the definition of free, there is no such thing as free. Anything you ever get is going to cost you or you traded something in exchange for what you thought was "free".
  • JerichowJerichow ✭✭✭✭
    Kimimishan wrote: »
    TomRipley wrote: »
    Kimimishan wrote: »
    -One can argue that the x price of Elite now includes this y amount of EMP that you are thus paying for now. This argument would be relevant if there was any other way to earn EMP than real money, which there isn't; hence free.

    Yes, with elite now you get double dungeon entries, free Ghillie, free flying mount, double Vanguard creds, no broker fee and so on. And now even EMP. All for free. Of course you have to pay for elite to get that, but once you have paid, it's free. :awesome:

    Last post I waste here, pumpkin, with another fact !
    -4 months of Elite will roughly grant you 1 Voucher-worth of EMP. That's, roughly, 2 months something of free Elite per year, how much is Elite anyway ... 15 bucks, 20 bucks, so 30 to 40$ of free merchandise.

    But I'm sure the enlightened logic of pumpkins is superior.

    I am baffled by your definition of free.

    And it absolutely floors me that you don't understand that:

    - You paid X amount before for Elite Status **without EMP.**
    - And now, you still only pay X amount as before. No change, no increase.
    - But on top of everything you were getting before that you were paying for, you now get extra EMP deposited into your account.
    - This is done at no additional cost to your existing subscription. Effectively making it free.

    I get where you're coming at with the, "I pay for elite, therefore it's not free" argument, but the fact of the matter is they added it to a subscription you were already paying for without adjusting the price to compensate for it. This means EME is effectively giving you the EMP for free, because you did not pay any additional cost.

    It's like the chicken strip metaphor. You order a 5 piece box for $5, but the guy puts a 6th one in to be nice. You aren't paying .83c per strip. You're paying $1 per strip, but got a 6th one for free. The exact same situation is happening here. You're paying $14.95/mo for your elite benefits, but now EME is adding "an extra strip" to your purchase every month without charging you more.
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