The 3rd Party Thread

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  • jongbaejongbae ✭✭✭
    edited April 2017
    Tewii wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    On the 3rd party program side of things, there are players using programs that flip things around so that they're actually doing way more DPS than anyone else who isn't using a 3rd party program.

    It has to be said that you're incorrect regarding this. The program I'm sure you know I'm speaking of doesn't alter damage values nor critrates, stats, etc etc...
    All it does is remove the delay inbetween the individual actions of the skill firing off for the client. Realistically, it brings those skills and those skills alone to work closer to how they should instead of being inherently broken.

    This shows again that eme isn't really bothering of studying what actual 3rd party programs are cheating and which others are helping to players play the game as it supposed to be.
  • AyiAyi ✭✭✭
    > @Tewii said:
    > Spacecats wrote: »
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    > On the 3rd party program side of things, there are players using programs that flip things around so that they're actually doing way more DPS than anyone else who isn't using a 3rd party program.
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    > It has to be said that you're incorrect regarding this. The program I'm sure you know I'm speaking of doesn't alter damage values nor critrates, stats, etc etc...
    > All it does is remove the delay inbetween the individual actions of the skill firing off for the client. Realistically, it brings those skills and those skills alone to work closer to how they should instead of being inherently broken.

    Making you that much better than anyone who plays fair. No thx. I don't want to have to download programs to have an equal chance at gameplay.
  • Yberion wrote: »
    Yeah well, how well made is an MMO where you can just go through walls by opening the game folder and deleting a gpk? It's probably why they deleted kumasylum, but the game has many more stupid flaws like that.

    not just deleting i wonder if some can alter iframe values cos i saw a videorecording..im not sure tho if thats gpk mod
  • ZeRoHouR95 wrote: »
    Tewii wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    On the 3rd party program side of things, there are players using programs that flip things around so that they're actually doing way more DPS than anyone else who isn't using a 3rd party program.

    It has to be said that you're incorrect regarding this. The program I'm sure you know I'm speaking of doesn't alter damage values nor critrates, stats, etc etc...
    All it does is remove the delay inbetween the individual actions of the skill firing off for the client. Realistically, it brings those skills and those skills alone to work closer to how they should instead of being inherently broken.


    That is the thing, i honestly feel like the gm's are looking away of the problem itself to make it look like a crime, and players suffering from this bugs just "have to deal with it" and change a skill rotation that does basically nothing... smh

    Reminds me of my poor lancer who teleports through BAMs or veers off to the side every time I use Onslaught, which is the only Lancer skill that has a crit chance glyph. :/
  • gibgib ✭✭✭
    Ayi wrote: »
    > @Tewii said:
    > Spacecats wrote: »

    > On the 3rd party program side of things, there are players using programs that flip things around so that they're actually doing way more DPS than anyone else who isn't using a 3rd party program.

    > It has to be said that you're incorrect regarding this. The program I'm sure you know I'm speaking of doesn't alter damage values nor critrates, stats, etc etc...
    > All it does is remove the delay inbetween the individual actions of the skill firing off for the client. Realistically, it brings those skills and those skills alone to work closer to how they should instead of being inherently broken.

    Making you that much better than anyone who plays fair. No thx. I don't want to have to download programs to have an equal chance at gameplay.

    is it fair that people who live closer to the servers have in inherent advantage to those who don't? ill answer your question; it isn't.
  • EndevaEndeva ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tewii wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    On the 3rd party program side of things, there are players using programs that flip things around so that they're actually doing way more DPS than anyone else who isn't using a 3rd party program.

    It has to be said that you're incorrect regarding this. The program I'm sure you know I'm speaking of doesn't alter damage values nor critrates, stats, etc etc...
    All it does is remove the delay inbetween the individual actions of the skill firing off for the client. Realistically, it brings those skills and those skills alone to work closer to how they should instead of being inherently broken.

    I did not know you were a developer from Bluehole, please do tell us why the delay was not removed in Tera instead of using a 3rd party tool?

    Or may be the delay was intentionally added to not overload the servers!
  • > @Ayi said: Making you that much better than anyone who plays fair. No thx. I don't want to have to download programs to have an equal chance at gameplay.


    No. A program like that won't make them better than you if you already have low ping and actually have skill for your class. A program like that won't make them better if they're not good at their class either.
  • As someone who is part of the end game community, almost all of us are upset with how things have been going recently.

    The threats and bans for said 3rd party programs are a little bit out of place. Yes, without any knowledge of what they're being used for it makes sense to take action. Although, you guys use the words "malicious intent", which is the complete opposite purpose of these programs. People "inject" because it puts them as a similar advantage to those who are gifted with luxurious ping. Now sure, they can be used as malicious intent, and you can act on it now. However, banning those who are just trying to play fair at the game isn't justified.

    DPS Meters are something people are really fond of. Tera has a very unique and fun combat that you don't get in most games. We can min/max our gameplay with any class which allows for vast majority in skill levels. The point of the meter is to help users increase their average play and to become better at the game. There is nothing malicious about that.

    It's clear to anyone who plays end game content that EME doesn't play their game often. From watching streams, reading patch notes, etc. You guys just don't play the game enough to know what is truly going on. If you saw from the vast majorities perspective on how we play the game all of this drama would've either never happened or been minor. Sure, you don't have to play the game, but if you're not going to get yourself involved with the game, get involved with the people who play it.

    If there is a continuous ignorance for responding in a civil manner (ex. threats and actions of banning) this game is the edge of its life. Talk to us, listen to us, before engaging in bans.
  • Ginjitsu wrote: »
    Tewii wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    On the 3rd party program side of things, there are players using programs that flip things around so that they're actually doing way more DPS than anyone else who isn't using a 3rd party program.

    It has to be said that you're incorrect regarding this. The program I'm sure you know I'm speaking of doesn't alter damage values nor critrates, stats, etc etc...
    All it does is remove the delay inbetween the individual actions of the skill firing off for the client. Realistically, it brings those skills and those skills alone to work closer to how they should instead of being inherently broken.

    I did not know you were a developer from Bluehole, please do tell us why the delay was not removed in Tera instead of using a 3rd party tool?

    Or may be the delay was intentionally added to not overload the servers!

    I'm pretty sure EME and BHS are big boys who don't need you defending them, especially when your speculation is even less helpful than the original post. It's clear you're uneducated on the specifics of what you're taking about but don't let me stop you from shitting up every single thread involved while people just want honest straightforward answers about .ini tweaks, optimization and other things that are not the third party tools.
  • First of all I want to apologize for my potato english. :)
    There are often "high latency builds" for glyphs and rotations that simply ignore those abilities in the case that your ping is so high that it affects them.
    Yeah, you has the point here, but lets be honest, nobody wants to play with 250-300ms, and even if our ping is at 20-40ms, lag spikes still there, making the game unplayable (and no need to say also the game has a horrible optimization with make us play with stuttering/low FPS)

    Tweaks were made in order to make this game better (ping taxes and FPS drop rates), a lot of this stuff has been ignored for years by devs; the community was the real solution to this issues. Not EME nor BHS.

    Don't take this an aggresion, this is just my opinion.
  • Ginjitsu wrote: »
    Tewii wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    On the 3rd party program side of things, there are players using programs that flip things around so that they're actually doing way more DPS than anyone else who isn't using a 3rd party program.

    It has to be said that you're incorrect regarding this. The program I'm sure you know I'm speaking of doesn't alter damage values nor critrates, stats, etc etc...
    All it does is remove the delay inbetween the individual actions of the skill firing off for the client. Realistically, it brings those skills and those skills alone to work closer to how they should instead of being inherently broken.

    I did not know you were a developer from Bluehole, please do tell us why the delay was not removed in Tera instead of using a 3rd party tool?

    Or may be the delay was intentionally added to not overload the servers!

    It was because the game was developed for a community where the entire country is packed in to an area half the size of Texas.

    And they also have internet that is pretty much 99th-100th percentile in the world.

    Oh did I ever mention they also get 8 ping to their servers? That's 100% the reason.

    The game was never developed with the western world in mind. Go and look up about the Elin Censorship stuff years ago as well.
  • jongbaejongbae ✭✭✭
    edited April 2017
    Ayi wrote: »
    Making you that much better than anyone who plays fair. No thx. I don't want to have to download programs to have an equal chance at gameplay.

    This is technically saying someone who lives close to the servers is cheating because his ping is one digit number. This program in particular didn't become popular until servers changed recently, having unavoidable and more frequent server lag spikes. Then again, not being shady about it but ping issues is something people decide to deal with or not, I personally have seen 200ping players doing better than low ping dps in conclusion: If you suck at your class, lowering your ping won't make you better regardless.

    Server lag tho, is a well known issue in this game specially the last couple of months it's been been so bad to make the game unplayable sometimes. But you can call it whatever m8.
  • Ginjitsu wrote: »
    Tewii wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    On the 3rd party program side of things, there are players using programs that flip things around so that they're actually doing way more DPS than anyone else who isn't using a 3rd party program.

    It has to be said that you're incorrect regarding this. The program I'm sure you know I'm speaking of doesn't alter damage values nor critrates, stats, etc etc...
    All it does is remove the delay inbetween the individual actions of the skill firing off for the client. Realistically, it brings those skills and those skills alone to work closer to how they should instead of being inherently broken.

    I did not know you were a developer from Bluehole, please do tell us why the delay was not removed in Tera instead of using a 3rd party tool?

    Or may be the delay was intentionally added to not overload the servers!

    ahahah i think she/her misunderstood the statement (The program I'm sure you know I'm speaking of )
  • BluehydraBluehydra ✭✭✭
    edited April 2017
    LTLTW3RELG wrote: »
    Yberion wrote: »
    Yeah well, how well made is an MMO where you can just go through walls by opening the game folder and deleting a gpk? It's probably why they deleted kumasylum, but the game has many more stupid flaws like that.

    not just deleting i wonder if some can alter iframe values cos i saw a videorecording..im not sure tho if thats gpk mod

    @Yberion
    I highly doubt its the case, as far as ive seen .gpk mods only alter the looks of things, so for example, you could swap costume A for costume B, but if you highlighted anyone wearing that modded costume B, you would still see the outline for costume A. You cannot modify meshes or open holes in walls. I understand them being disallowed because they could impact cosmetic item sales, but not for cheating (at least, not in my knowledge) You most likely saw a different kind of modification.
    Also, about kumasylum, i remember it being removed because Ktera players had an unspoken agreement that the kuma team would always throw the match, making the game mode useless.

    Edit: sorry @LTLTW3RELG i meant to reply to Yberion but i derped
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