[TERA Console] The Grotto of Lost Souls update (v85) is now live! Read the patch notes here: https://bit.ly/TERACon_v85

[TERA PC] The 64-bit update (v97) is now live. Check out all the changes delivered on August 11 here: https://bit.ly/tera64_patchnotes
[TERA PC & CONSOLE] Summerfest Part 2: The Beach Bash is on from August 11 until September 1! Participate in event activities to earn tokens redeemable for costumes, consumables, mounts, and more! Details: https://bit.ly/tera_sf20

IS the elite status (Subscription) p2w?

2456

Comments

  • define pay to win. if your definition is buying stuff in the cash shop that makes you op, then no tera isn't. unless you are some super hacker or whatever, you will pay for stuff to win or cosmetic items with time or money. you can look at how much something will cost you with real money, and then look at how much time you would have to put into the game to get the same item. if it takes you 10 hours of game play to get the item, but it only costs you an hour of your jobs pay, then you decide. 10 hours of game time compared to what you would make at your job for the same amount of hours.
    we all pay in some sort of way. be it time or money. which one are you willing to part with?
  • feminzii wrote: »
    the whole "but u can buy it in game so it's not p2w" thing is a really dumb argument

    innerwear when it first came out was a p2w feature. it might not be anymore but that's how it started as. the current p2w would be dragons and the upcoming phoenixes. elite isn't p2w because you can use the benefits of elite to earn back what you spent on it easily. that said, just because you can buy everything in the game doesn't mean the game doesn't have any p2w aspects to it.

    this goes to show pay2win is different for everyone, for me it has to match neverwinter to be pay2win and thats bad. if it takes over a year to gear up without paying? its pay2win, if it takes 2 months to get the gear that can run all content without paying and all important things on the cash shop can be gotten ingame somehow someway? not pay2win. but thats only my opinion, everyone has their own.
  • ZoknahalZoknahal ✭✭✭✭✭
    The definition of Pay to Win (P2W) is different from person to person. In TERA however, it is kind of divided.

    First of all, this definition was born from competitive games such as CSGO, COD and some Mobas. The right definition of P2W is the individual or group of individuals who "buy" their way to the top, with real money. They use real money to climb the ladders and gain an unfair advantage over players who play for free, which is usually the scenario on many F2P games. On competitive games, where the definition was born, it defines the person who has absolutely everything, the best of the best, everything money can buy, and still sucks at the game. You know you have found a P2W user when you see his Golden Rifle, and he still misses all the shots.

    Now, here in TERA, many people call the action of buying +15 armor and weapons, P2W. This is done by using real money to buy EMP, sell it at X rate in game, and use the gold you just got from selling EMP, to buy +15. Boom, you are instantly labeled as a P2W user.

    Truth is, this is nowhere close to what real P2W is. Many confuse and put together this 2 definitions: Pay to Win, and Pay for Convenience.

    In an mmo, P2W would be as follow: You buy items in the shop that are nowhere available in game, giving you an edge over regular players that cannot access to those items unless they also pay real money for them. This creates a huge gap in between free players, and paying players, causing the game to be largely inbalanced.

    TERA falls in the category of Pay for Convenience: The majority of items in the shop are just bonuses that you can get in game too. It is up to you if you want to invest the time to get em, or pay real money to get them inmediately. Additionally, this same items aren't locked to the shop, and they do not lock to the player once they are bought. Everything can be traded in game, which opens the availability of this shop items in game, to those who choose not to pay for them.

    Of course, there are some items not available in game, that can be considered P2W, such as the new mounts. Lower versions of the dragon and the future phoinex mounts are available to obtain through in game methods, which is good, but the coveted x2 crit power mount, is an exclusive of the shop, and cannot be obtained in game, unless you buy it from someone lucky enough to get it from the loot boxes.

    This mounts double your power, which gives you an edge over those who cannot get the mount. This is the first item of the P2W category to make its entrance to the TERA shop (disregard the innerwears, they arent even locked to the shop, and you can obtain em in game too. you just pay for fancy looks).

    Going back to Elite, being considered as P2W. It is not. It is just a handy tool that gives you some quality of life services. Tho it might change in the future. EU TERA is changing their TERA Club service. Info Here. The last time EU TERA had a change in their service, we in NA TERA also saw a change in the current elite. Most are Regional changes individual to EU TERA, but the permanent CCB replacing the now almost useless 100% gold booster, could be across all regions. This could be considered slightly P2W for some, but is just another QoL change for them, as they will no longer have the need of CCB scrolls. The market soon will flood with CCBs, and they will be available by a fairly cheap price to all free players.

    In conclusion, TERA is not P2W, not yet at least. It has some P2W elements in the shop, but it is in its nature, a Pay for Convenience game.
  • feminziifeminzii ✭✭✭
    edited September 2017
    What's the point of starting a lengthy explanation post with a sentence like..
    Zoknahal wrote: »
    The definition of Pay to Win (P2W) is different from person to person. In TERA however, it is kind of divided.

    and then go on to make "factual" claims like
    Zoknahal wrote: »
    The right definition of P2W is...

    and
    Zoknahal wrote: »

    Truth is, this is nowhere close to what real P2W is.

    and
    Zoknahal wrote: »
    In conclusion, TERA is not P2W.

    just kind of comes across to me as "herp derp.. there's a lot of ways to interpret this and everyone has their own opinion, but.....everyones wrong but me, bye"
  • Zoknahal wrote: »

    TERA falls in the category of Pay for Convenience: The majority of items in the shop are just bonuses that you can get in game too. It is up to you if you want to invest the time to get em, or pay real money to get them inmediately. Additionally, this same items aren't locked to the shop, and they do not lock to the player once they are bought. Everything can be traded in game, which opens the availability of this shop items in game, to those who choose not to pay for them.

    You can boil any P2W feature down to "Pay for Convenience". If they added a non-tradeable consumable to the store which boosted crit factor by 100, it could still be called "Pay for Convenience". You're paying for the convenience that higher dps provides you. Therefore I kind of find it a bit difficult to take away anything useful from the argument you're trying to make there, sorry.
  • PixelatorPixelator ✭✭✭✭
    Not really. You can make enough gold to easily maintain it monthly without paying EME a cent.

    The new gear revamp will be fairly p2w tho.
  • Ooh good new then, if it's true and I/anyone can get the

    Airwolf mounts with 1% hp/mp

    Bunny mounts with 1% hp/mp

    Dragon mounts with 2% hp/mp, double crit and plus 10 speed for party

    I'd love a guide on how to farm these in game! If you can link me that then awesome ty.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    aeyrebaby wrote: »
    Zoknahal wrote: »

    TERA falls in the category of Pay for Convenience: The majority of items in the shop are just bonuses that you can get in game too. It is up to you if you want to invest the time to get em, or pay real money to get them inmediately. Additionally, this same items aren't locked to the shop, and they do not lock to the player once they are bought. Everything can be traded in game, which opens the availability of this shop items in game, to those who choose not to pay for them.

    You can boil any P2W feature down to "Pay for Convenience". If they added a non-tradeable consumable to the store which boosted crit factor by 100, it could still be called "Pay for Convenience". You're paying for the convenience that higher dps provides you. Therefore I kind of find it a bit difficult to take away anything useful from the argument you're trying to make there, sorry.

    The only P2W things in the game would be 2x crit power mounts, liberation scrolls (you can sell/buy +15 if not use one) and maybe level 60 scroll.

    Other things can be obtained throught the game without spending a single cent and without events or buying from broker.
  • LilMsQTay wrote: »
    I'd love a guide on how to farm these in game! If you can link me that then awesome ty.

    BHS's argument (that I don't entirely agree with) is that, because it can be sold on the broker, and thereby F2P players can get it without themselves paying anything, it's accessible to everyone. Their secondary argument is that the benefits are negligible over the ones that can be earned in-game in the first place (and things like 1%/2% regen is just a convenience that can be achieved via other means).

    I don't fully-agree with these arguments purely because it opens the door to this conversation, which we shouldn't be having in the first place. But, BHS's view on where the line is is different than where most people here think the line should ideally be. However, compared to other F2P MMO competition, very few come out looking spotless.
  • aeyrebabyaeyrebaby ✭✭✭
    edited September 2017
    null, misread
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    aeyrebaby wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    aeyrebaby wrote: »
    Zoknahal wrote: »

    TERA falls in the category of Pay for Convenience: The majority of items in the shop are just bonuses that you can get in game too. It is up to you if you want to invest the time to get em, or pay real money to get them inmediately. Additionally, this same items aren't locked to the shop, and they do not lock to the player once they are bought. Everything can be traded in game, which opens the availability of this shop items in game, to those who choose not to pay for them.

    You can boil any P2W feature down to "Pay for Convenience". If they added a non-tradeable consumable to the store which boosted crit factor by 100, it could still be called "Pay for Convenience". You're paying for the convenience that higher dps provides you. Therefore I kind of find it a bit difficult to take away anything useful from the argument you're trying to make there, sorry.

    The only P2W things in the game would be 2x crit power mounts, liberation scrolls (you can sell/buy +15 if not use one) and maybe level 60 scroll.

    Other things can be obtained throught the game without spending a single cent and without events or buying from broker.

    then by that definition, why are those things any more P2W than anything else? You can buy all that from the broker as well

    If no one sells the 2.0 mounts on brokers or EME hand them on events then you won't be able to get them for free ever.

    Liberation scrolls is away for people to make gold from their crafted BiS and in a good amount and they are only obtainable from cash shop if no one sells on broker.

    Dragons give a plus on you dps when landing a crit, Liberation scrolls are used often for people selling to other people +15 and not for their own character most of the times (if not all the time).
  • KetothKetoth ✭✭✭✭
    Just to point: 2.0 dragons can drop ingame if no one knows.
    Its a low chance on P4 HH, but still can drop, I saw 2 already
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ketoth wrote: »
    Just to point: 2.0 dragons can drop ingame if no one knows.
    Its a low chance on P4 HH, but still can drop, I saw 2 already

    Yeah, you are right, that was mentioned some months back, but 2.0 dragons being a really rare drop is something most people won't get even if they try hard and clear HH every week.
  • DeadXDeadX ✭✭✭
    aeyrebaby wrote: »
    Zoknahal wrote: »

    TERA falls in the category of Pay for Convenience: The majority of items in the shop are just bonuses that you can get in game too. It is up to you if you want to invest the time to get em, or pay real money to get them inmediately. Additionally, this same items aren't locked to the shop, and they do not lock to the player once they are bought. Everything can be traded in game, which opens the availability of this shop items in game, to those who choose not to pay for them.

    You can boil any P2W feature down to "Pay for Convenience". If they added a non-tradeable consumable to the store which boosted crit factor by 100, it could still be called "Pay for Convenience". You're paying for the convenience that higher dps provides you. Therefore I kind of find it a bit difficult to take away anything useful from the argument you're trying to make there, sorry.

    no you can't boil them all down to convenience. you must not have played any P2W games kid. you can buy items in p2w games stores you CANNOT get in game...not even from other players and they give you a DISTINCT advantage.

    tera is NOT P2W, everything in the store can be gotten in game that EFFECTS gameplay. see the difference there? there IS no 'months of grinding' [filtered] or 'player can just sell emp and buy whatever' since someone else had to farm that whatever and it doesn't take months of grinding unless you're only playing an hour or so a WEEK. get some experience in what a pay to win game infested with wallet warriors is like sometime.
Sign In or Register to comment.