GPU does not boost or become fully used when in cities or highly populated areas

pizzaboyz

everytime im in a city, my gpu's clockspeed remains on the base clock. it never boosts like it should. the gpu usage is incredibly low as well when im within a city. However, in dungeons or open world areas like island of dawn and RK/TR/ETC, my gpu starts being used. This also happens in rally. When theres an immense amount of people in one location, my gpu just decides not to do anything. Clock speeds remain at base and usage remains at around 10%. Does anyone else have this issue? Is this maybe why fps in cities is always so low? Is this just bad optimization or outdated game engine?

ValiantCorvus

Tera is notoriously CPU heavy and not very well optimized.

aeee98

CPU is the bottleneck, not the GPU.

pizzaboyz

its not really a bottleneck. its just bad optimization. the gpu is literally not being used at all, which shouldn't be happening. even if you got the best cpu in the world, whether it be clock speeds or many cores, tera's fps still wont improve. only after gpu usage becomes optimized will tera have good fps in populated areas. i have heard everywhere that tera is cpu heavy, but thats not actually the case from my observations. the truth is that the gpu just decides not be used.

MrYamaguchi

GPU is not drawing more power because the CPU is already maxed out (100% use). CPU can not push data any faster, so GPU sits comfortably idle even though it can handle much more. Increase CPU/RAM bandwidth and GPU usage should increase.

Ever notice how your GPU will crank up in the main menu of some games? That's because there's almost nothing for the CPU to process there, so the GPU is never caught up waiting for data from the CPU, and it can just continuously render new frames as fast as possible.

VirtualON

MrYamaguchi explained it perfectly. Thank you.

pizzaboyz

so let me see if im getting this right...the game opted to have data transfer through the cpu first rather than the gpu? ive played games that look way nicer than tera with many more players to render such as final fantasy and guild wars 2 and my gpu would be under 80-90% usage. FPS in cities wouldn't dip nearly as bad as tera. is there a way to make it that the gpu has render priority over the cpu?

fromsector7

micro fx8320 . 16gb ram . r9 290x . win 10 pro . when play tera with max resolution and setting: cpu 30% , ram 2gb , video 50% . min fps 20 . max fps 60 .

CassandraTR

@pizzaboyz

This is a very old question, that has been around since 2012.

https://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/Tera-with-low-GPU-usage-has-solution?page=1

MrYamaguchi

pizzaboyz wrote: »

so let me see if im getting this right...the game opted to have data transfer through the cpu first rather than the gpu? ive played games that look way nicer than tera with many more players to render such as final fantasy and guild wars 2 and my gpu would be under 80-90% usage. FPS in cities wouldn't dip nearly as bad as tera. is there a way to make it that the gpu has render priority over the cpu?

The graphical aspects are not the limiting factor here though. This is more similar to the hardware strains of top-down isometric dungeon-crawling RPGs that have tons of monsters on screen causing thousands of calculations per second (especially when you dive into them and the carnage begins). In TERA, you might notice this in situations such as a Brawler using Jackhammer on a large cluster of monsters or Sorcerers casting enhanced Meteor Strike or even Warrior's Traverse Cut.

WEJNX63DTC

i understand exactly where you're coming from.

I understand also that Tera has a very old community as the game has years of history. As a new player, with pretty decent hardware, the days where CPU bottlenecks in a thing of the past.

No matter how bad my FPS drops, my CPU usage NEVER exceeds 40%. It simply just peaks out at 40% and the game refuse to utilize anymore. Dont even bother talking about GPU, my GPU never exceeds 20% load REGARDLESS of how heavy processing power is needed.

This should conclude that its no longer CPU bottlenecking, its just that the game refuses to utilize available resourced available. Its annoying that my GPU runs almost at idle and CPU only at 40% while my game is suffering and stuttering.

Just for reference, my key specs below, it isnt even the best around or latest vs i9 coffee lake series but i believe still a strong performance/core contender around.

i7 7700k (WC)
1080ti
EVO 950s in raid-0

Borsuc

WEJNX63DTC wrote: »

i understand exactly where you're coming from.

I understand also that Tera has a very old community as the game has years of history. As a new player, with pretty decent hardware, the days where CPU bottlenecks in a thing of the past.

No matter how bad my FPS drops, my CPU usage NEVER exceeds 40%. It simply just peaks out at 40% and the game refuse to utilize anymore. Dont even bother talking about GPU, my GPU never exceeds 20% load REGARDLESS of how heavy processing power is needed.

Oh look, we have someone in 2017 who has no idea how CPU cores work.

TERA uses one core at 100% and another probably close to 100%, you see 40% cause your CPU has 4 cores + 4 virtual cores (HT) which don't do anything in this context. It doesn't "refuse" to use more than two cores, it's just not designed to because it requires a completely different game design perspective and it uses an old engine.

WEJNX63DTC

doesnt it simply explain my point it not "optimized"? and still not, it does not even load ONE of my 7700k cores to 100%, never see that coming. Multi core processors has been around for ages, its nothing new.

So many games released pre-Tera runs well with multicores. I would have noticed if one of my core is being "fully" utilized and this post would not have happened, but its not. I don't think its a very complicated engineering on the game's engine. Try it out for yourself and see, don't just conclude with theory, theoratically you are right. But in this game's case, you are not.

MrYamaguchi

WEJNX63DTC wrote: »

i understand exactly where you're coming from.

I understand also that Tera has a very old community as the game has years of history. As a new player, with pretty decent hardware, the days where CPU bottlenecks in a thing of the past.

No matter how bad my FPS drops, my CPU usage NEVER exceeds 40%. It simply just peaks out at 40% and the game refuse to utilize anymore. Dont even bother talking about GPU, my GPU never exceeds 20% load REGARDLESS of how heavy processing power is needed.

This should conclude that its no longer CPU bottlenecking, its just that the game refuses to utilize available resourced available. Its annoying that my GPU runs almost at idle and CPU only at 40% while my game is suffering and stuttering.

Just for reference, my key specs below, it isnt even the best around or latest vs i9 coffee lake series but i believe still a strong performance/core contender around.

i7 7700k (WC)
1080ti
EVO 950s in raid-0

RAM bottleneck.

WEJNX63DTC

please tell me which core is being 100% loaded? where i am suffering 25fps in town?

as my screenshot, you can see i am running another emulator on another game, emulator itself does a perfect 60fps on a game like lineage revolution.

And no, not ram. As you can see from my screenshot, RAM space is ample and ram speed is 3200mhz, not like it matters in a intel setup.



**edited with attachment.

Borsuc

^ Yeah it's called Load Balancing. Go look it up. You'll need better monitoring tools like Sysinternals Process Monitor, not meant for casuals, to see it.

Also it's not that it's not "optimized", it's just not designed for multi-cores. Yes, btw, the game is NOT optimized, because two cores should be plenty as-is. The fact that they aren't (especially due to the god-awful flash UI) isn't to say that using 4 cores would be "optimized". It would just run better while still being unoptimized (i.e. using unnecessary resources).

I'm not disagreeing with you about it not being optimized (though not because it doesn't use more cores), but I do get triggered when some people always say % of CPU as if that's what matters and not thread/core utilization. (that's why I assume you don't know)