loots boxes declared games of chance in Belgium

So countries are now declaring loots boxes to be forms of gambling.

https://games.slashdot.org/story/18/04/26/0127202/belgium-declares-video-game-loot-boxes-gambling-and-therefore-illegal

What do you guys think about this?
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  • DatGeekDatGeek ✭✭✭
    Sakky wrote: »
    So countries are now declaring loots boxes to be forms of gambling.

    https://games.slashdot.org/story/18/04/26/0127202/belgium-declares-video-game-loot-boxes-gambling-and-therefore-illegal

    What do you guys think about this?

    I think that's the right thing to do to be honest, because that is exactly what it is. It's a game of chance which is what gambling really means.

    Now, lets hope the rest of Europe does the same..
  • I understand people don't like loot boxes, me either. I would rather buy an item outright instead of having a random chance. Now, I'm not from Belgium or even Europe. I'm from the United states. The only problem I have with making loot boxes considered gambling is the eventuality of the government being too involved in gaming which could lead to censorship and other acts that the government could enact on gaming. In a perfect world I would rather developers take out loot boxes all together without getting the government involved. :)
  • And it won't do a [filtered], instead of gambling on 100emp lootboxes we will get direct buys for 4k emp or more as lootboxes are superior in terms of profit.
  • DatGeekDatGeek ✭✭✭
    Kiciuk wrote: »
    And it won't do a [filtered], instead of gambling on 100emp lootboxes we will get direct buys for 4k emp or more as lootboxes are superior in terms of profit.

    They are superior because the odds are always stacked against you.

    The loot boxes in TERA are probably amongst the worst i've seen so far as you have to pick from 4 different slots and none of them are guaranteed to have the main prize hidden behind them.

    I rather buy stuff directly rather than having to gamble money on loot boxes for a very slim chance of obtaining the one item i want, and if i have to pay slightly more to do so, then so be it. At least i know what i'm buying and what i'm getting.
    I understand people don't like loot boxes, me either. I would rather buy an item outright instead of having a random chance. Now, I'm not from Belgium or even Europe. I'm from the United states. The only problem I have with making loot boxes considered gambling is the eventuality of the government being too involved in gaming which could lead to censorship and other acts that the government could enact on gaming. In a perfect world I would rather developers take out loot boxes all together without getting the government involved. :)

    They do this because of people who have no control over their spending habits or are weak willed and are easily manipulated into buying these boxes based on all the incentives they receive 24/7 be it through the log-in screen or through the in-game announcements from other players being lucky enough to obtain the main prizes from said boxes.

    Loot boxes are designed using psychology against us. The guys designing them knows what button to push on those i mentioned above.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2018
    Just to make it clear, some of those games are rated for ages lower than 17, only CS:GO has an age requirement ove 17, however the issue that make it even more agraviating is that those companies on those games are allowing real money auctions or real money trading. That was what make those games to fail to escape that outcome.

    Actually, the issue is not even the lootboxes, the real problem lies on the person buying them and if that person is a minor then the ones at fault are the parents that allows children to get access to their credit card or to be playing Mature themed games.

    First thing it should be done is to educate the people, otherwise this is going to be a non-stop cycle where the victims are not even those who claim to be victims but stupid people that can't restrain their urges of something that is not needed.

    Man, all this [filtered] is like me trying to sue the Coke company because I don't get the prize for Russia 2018 each time I buy one of their products.

    @DatGeek I am waiting when Coke company gets sued by all those people who didnt get the main prize from buying their products. Oh, and children bought them too.

    BTW, I like how you evade this https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https://www.koengeens.be/news/2018/04/25/loot-boxen-in-drie-videogames-in-strijd-met-kansspelwetgeving&edit-text=&act=url where you can clearly see that I am not lying about what I am saying and you are trying to make others believe a distorted reallity of what's happening in there.
    a bet can lead to profit or loss and chance has a role in the game.
    

    Nothing that can affect Tera because you are not losing in their lootboxes because you are told before hand what you are getting for the money you spend and you have a bonus that can be some between a variety of things at random.

    Yes, their laws clearly says "a bet can lead to profit or loss" something that doesnt happen in Tera because you don't lose, you get what you paid for.

    However, being me kind enought I will tell you what lootboxes from TERA can be clasified as ilegal and those are the mount lootboxes with their exclusive pasives that you can get only from cash shop lootboxes and Inner Armor lootboxes, so should Tera remove that and there is no other lootbox that can be taken as ilegal for these people.

    :)
  • simitsimit ✭✭
    Glad someone finally called out the "does no wrong" blizzard

    Would never have gotten to this stage if game publishers and devs weren't so greedy, especially in regard to the Triple A market, an it was only time before Governments stepped in an said enough, i have zero sympathy for a mess thats self inflicted an EA especially better watch out cause they could loose the Fifa license aswell as the Star Wars one
  • Loot boxes will be restricted in european countries. But america loves casinos.

    Loot boxes =casino

    So is legal, and always will be. Gambling systems with poor odds is what Uncle Sam loves
  • NemmarNemmar ✭✭
    edited April 2018
    I think it's great.

    It was always obvious they were and companies were taking advantage.

    I expect the whole of the EU to follow suit.

    Lootboxes are a scam. I am happy to pay for any digital item knowing i will get it. Name your price and i will decide wether i'm happy enough to make a purchase.
    Buying chances? Buying dreams? That's what casino's do, and i hate to gamble.

    "publishers could therefore be subject to fines and prison sentences"

    They are coming for you, greedy suits. Time to scramble!
  • > 4 different slots and none of them are guaranteed to have the main prize hidden behind them.
    In reality these "slots" are just fake, there is no different things behind them.
    Its simple illusion.
  • i have been praying for this law to pass in the united states for many years. Seeing how games like neverwinter tera etc are ripping people off kids mostly for thousands of dollars. With little to no chance of ever winning.. Example in neverwinter a legendary mount has less then half a percent drop chance that's not even gambling that;s just outright theft. I have never nor will i ever pay to open a loot box but that's because i am smart.

    i have personally seen friends drop thousands of dollars over the years on them its sad to see and is so bad. That kids are stealing credit cards just to buy them companies need to move to a more honest less corrupt business model.
  • edited April 2018
    Finally!! Loot boxes are the evil side of modern online videogames.
  • DatGeekDatGeek ✭✭✭
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Just to make it clear, some of those games are rated for ages lower than 17, only CS:GO has an age requirement ove 17, however the issue that make it even more agraviating is that those companies on those games are allowing real money auctions or real money trading. That was what make those games to fail to escape that outcome.

    Actually, the issue is not even the lootboxes, the real problem lies on the person buying them and if that person is a minor then the ones at fault are the parents that allows children to get access to their credit card or to be playing Mature themed games.

    First thing it should be done is to educate the people, otherwise this is going to be a non-stop cycle where the victims are not even those who claim to be victims but stupid people that can't restrain their urges of something that is not needed.

    Man, all this [filtered] is like me trying to sue the Coke company because I don't get the prize for Russia 2018 each time I buy one of their products.

    @DatGeek I am waiting when Coke company gets sued by all those people who didnt get the main prize from buying their products. Oh, and children bought them too.

    BTW, I like how you evade this https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https://www.koengeens.be/news/2018/04/25/loot-boxen-in-drie-videogames-in-strijd-met-kansspelwetgeving&edit-text=&act=url where you can clearly see that I am not lying about what I am saying and you are trying to make others believe a distorted reallity of what's happening in there.
    a bet can lead to profit or loss and chance has a role in the game.
    

    Nothing that can affect Tera because you are not losing in their lootboxes because you are told before hand what you are getting for the money you spend and you have a bonus that can be some between a variety of things at random.

    Yes, their laws clearly says "a bet can lead to profit or loss" something that doesnt happen in Tera because you don't lose, you get what you paid for.

    However, being me kind enought I will tell you what lootboxes from TERA can be clasified as ilegal and those are the mount lootboxes with their exclusive pasives that you can get only from cash shop lootboxes and Inner Armor lootboxes, so should Tera remove that and there is no other lootbox that can be taken as ilegal for these people.

    :)

    It is you who do not understand anything being said here.

    Gambling by definition is a game of chance. Loot boxes is exactly that. A game of chance.

    When you check the slot machines you can see what you can win there as well, so i guess that doesn't make it gambling then? Get outta here..

    Gambling doesn't have anything to do with the value or what you get/not get in return, it has to do with the fact that it's a game of chance. You could pay with pop caps or stone and it'd still be gambling.

    You can counter argue all you want, your arguments will still be moot.

    (͠≖ ͜ʖ͠≖)
  • I wish every loot box have their own token
    Like the elleons bravery/nobility box
    Till 90 fail, we still can get at the end the skin. In worst case :persevere:
  • Just gonna leave this here with the rating from the XBOX/PS4 stores and from the ESRB themselves.

    https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/tera-ps4/
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/TERA/BS70ZCL9NZ9N
    http://www.esrb.org/ratings/Synopsis.aspx?Certificate=31021&Title=TERA

    Now I just want you all to know ahead of time that I love the Tera lootboxes because I have always love the semi-enigmatic scrolls WITH A BONUS out of them. They are a form of gambling but the post IN THE CENTER OF YOUR [filtered] SCREEN to "please play responsibly" AND it's an M rated game. The only other thing they could do is put a monthly cap to how much you can spend on the game. If they did that I would be pissed, because there has been 3 times now in the last 7 years I spent $1000+ dollars in a month on tera. After all bills are paid for and I have some money in the savings, who are you pricks to tell me how to spend my money?
  • ZalmZalm ✭✭✭
    They wont tell you how to spend your money, no game ever would. Not limit it at least. But they could, and should, remove loot boxes. Just allow you to buy semi without the extra for cheaper. Like 5-10 emp
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