Slayers in PvP?

Kiraboshi · January 2017

Slayer is only decent if you are willing to exploit F.Castanic desync glitches. Otherwise it's directly inferior to War/Reaper/Ninja in some way or another.

Schwerpunkt · January 2017

Borsuc wrote: »

You must be one of those who don't even know the difference between stun and KD/stagger mechanics, because this part says everything. Pure gem.

"Weird purple AoE" is Shadowburst right? It's immune to stagger/KD but not to stuns and in fact extremely easy to stun with slayer because the stuns are instant (Backhand/Kick) and reaper cannot move during it. I mention instant stuns because Reaper's Smite is slow compared to slayer stuns and you complain of getting stunned during KDS, lmfao, that's normal. KDS gives you immunity to stagger and KD not to stuns.

Meanwhile Slayer has a real stun immunity called Tenacity while Reaper has nothing, so if anything you as slayer are the one who can truly BE immune to stuns. (Retribution is sort of an iframe, not immunity, because if you don't hit the reaper when he is using it, he is wide open to an attack afterwards due to animation lock)

As for reapers, yeah they're extremely broken, but this topic is about slayer not whether some classes are OP like reaper (which it is).

Ninjas? Ninjas land in a sorc trap and they're dead. Other than that, yeah, broken [filtered] class.

I don't play any of the new classes, so I don't know what their skills are called. But when I do fight them as a Slayer, I notice that none of my stuns land when they're in that weird purple AoE (or Shadowburst, if that's the name). So either it does have stun immunity or being a Human Slayer is [filtered] with my reach/skills somehow.

That's my complaint. KDS isn't immune to stuns, and I do get stunned out of it (I also get staggered out of it and Whirlwind by Reapers, Brawlers, and Ninjas because the skill armor means [filtered] all against the new classes), but I can never stun Reapers out of their skills. I also get stunned when I dodge. They hit me with their spike skill, I roll on the ground, and I'm stunned the second I stop rolling. It could be an issue with ping, but it happens for every Reaper I've fought. So either 40ms isn't good enough or they all live in Australia.

You're right, this is a topic about Slayers. That's why I'm bringing up other classes. If Slayers can't beat those other classes, then it's obviously not very good in PvP.

Borsuc · January 2017

You are missing the point. KDS, WW, HT were never intended to be immune to stun. The change made them resistant (immune) to KD and stagger (which is the same effect as far as TERA's calculation mechanics are concerned), just like Priest's Kaia, Zerk's Mocking Shout, Sorc's Nova, and so on. Yes you can be immune to stun and immune to KD/Stagger, making you unstoppable, that is if you use Tenacity, but only for 5 sec. Still, sometimes it's plenty enough to combo someone who has been setup by your teammate but he got interrupted, or initiate it yourself on a vulnerable target (one without essential escapes available, because they used them).

If you can't hit reapers to me it sounds like either a desync problem, or you not understanding their skills. I heard human male slayer tends to be good, or Aman male one of the best for slayer along with Castanic Female (what I play), so it's likely a problem on you aiming. Aiming on slayer is a bit of a nuisance because there's a "specific" angle (vertically) that you have to use to get least desync. I don't know how to explain it, watch some top slayer vids, you get it with experience I guess.

It is impossible to get staggered out of Whirlwind by reapers, period. It just cannot happen. If it does happen, it probably means you are lagging as [filtered] and they hit you before the server even registered your WW, or something like that. The newer classes after reaper, those may be able to glitch your immunity because of knockups. I agree that knockups are the most idiotic thing added to this game and completely break it, not just in balance, but they literally break the game with glitches.

What I said with this is a topic about slayer is because you complain of slayer vs new classes breaking your "super armor" or whatever you call your immunity. But there's alot of other classes without knockups which will never glitch through your immunity, that's what I meant. In fact using WW is pretty good just for the immunity if you anticipate for example, sorcerer's KD trap, also because you can cancel it into Eviscerate which will KD the enemy instead of stagger (because it is chained). Most people cancel KDS/WW before they even go on CD though, just to get KD off Eviscerate. Try use KDS/WW and spam Eviscerate, you'll see for yourself. If you can't do it, it means your ping is [filtered] and not 40ms as you think, game is lying to you.

Reapers are different than the newer classes. They are a pre lv65 class so they don't have any of that knockup garbage. You should make a reaper since they start at lv58 and play it a bit, just to get familiar with its skills.

I'm not saying that reapers are weak when they are one of the top tier in 3v3 (solo at least). But if you know their skills, you'll be able to know what to expect on your slayer which helps a lot. You don't have to be good on reaper to understand their skills. But if you get wrecked on reaper you'll start to realize why they can't do everything you think they can. Well not just reapers, ideally you'd make alot more classes, but I know you probably don't have time for that and maybe despise leveling like I do and can't powerlevel.

(another reason I think non-eq gear is complete garbage and breeds bad players in general because others with potential won't even try, they can't play multiple classes at equal opportunity easily so they give up on that idea, so they will never learn weaknesses and specific situations of other classes directly, since I'm an advocate of real PvP where more real skilled people can join to improve the scene not the existing tiny community, that's why I'm against non-eq gear in BGs so much, but I think it's too late at this point especially with non-eq team skyring)

Schwerpunkt · January 2017

I don't think you understand. I'm not saying I expect KDS to make me immune to stun. I know it doesn't.

I'm saying that I get stunned normally during those skills while Reapers don't. I'm also saying that the skill armor those skills get, the protection from KD and stagger, doesn't work against Reapers or Ninjas. They knock you upward when they attack you, so it breaks the armor and pulls you out of the skill. You say Reapers don't do that, but they consistently pull me out of KDS and WW without stunning me. I get staggered out of those animations each time I do them.

I'm also saying that Reapers can stun me even though I dodge their attacks. If they time the stun spike skill right, I still manage to dodge, but I'm stunned when I exit the dodge animation. So even rolling doesn't help me avoid their attacks.

Slayers were developed with the older classes in mind, not the newer ones. The protections they have against the older classes don't mean [filtered] against the newer ones, and it shows. They cannot compete against them.

I have a constant 40ms. I have 50Mbps down / 5Mbps up. I do not lag when I play TERA. I also know how to play Slayer. I know which skills have armor and I know which don't, and I'm telling you that armor doesn't mean [filtered] against the new classes. I am constantly knocked out of KDS and WW by Reapers, Ninjas, and Brawlers. Constantly, consistently. I fight Reapers all the time, all from different guilds and timezones. All of them can break my skill armor against KD and stagger by staggering me anyway.

Borsuc · January 2017

Yeah, and the problem is just you. I mean, I don't know why it happens, the lag thing was just my assumption because I can't see why else. Sure you can say it's how it works, but it's just you. I've never been "staggered out" of KDS/WW/HT, nor have I been stunned out of a dodge (or even Backstab when it has its iframe).

So what now? My word vs your word? You're the one bugged. This isn't a case of class balance, it's a case of you having some sort of problem on your end (lag was just assumption).

It would help if you actually uploaded a video testing it and showing how you get stunned out of a dodge or staggered out of KDS/WW/HT, just test vs a reaper, so maybe I figure out what's wrong or what you actually mean.

And please don't backtrack on your words with knockups, we all know those are bugged. No, do it against a reaper, and when I meant "stagger" I mean stagger or KD, not knockups. Thanks.

Coolkicl · January 2017

You can't get knocked up while using ww/kds/ht. There is a moment after you roll when u are vulnerable to attacks and can do nothing. I have punished other slayers and I have been punished myself by this. I can't wait for ohs to be sped up by distant blade and fury strike so I can dik on peeps while looking damn good.

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