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Warrior Revamp

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  • ObsObs ✭✭✭
    Aulon wrote: »
    Obscumbra wrote: »
    Aulon wrote: »
    Obscumbra wrote: »
    Aulon wrote: »
    Obscumbra wrote: »
    Aulon wrote: »
    Derpybowl wrote: »
    Too bad tob gives no edge.

    Nor does your face but you still use it

    1 Edge is 1750 base damage. That's almost 50% of ToB's base damage post buff.

    You missing the IS A BLOCK THERE FOR CAN US IT WHEN YOU CANT USE OTHER SKILLS part so yea

    Or you can just not use it and tap block > BD or just block into your normal rotations. No Edge is a huge loss in DPS. It's why people don't use Pounce when CS exists.

    Yes, and since ToB is a block you by pass tapping block to proc DFA. So instead of tapping block which does no dam you tap ToB which does Dam and is a block and will proc BD since it is a block. Much like Wallope>Shield counter combo on a Lancer

    ToB's cast time is very slow. Unless someone shows me that the DPS is somehow higher than BD, which has more than double the base damage due Edge and damage glyphs, ToB > BD is a DPS loss over just tap block > BD since it uses BD faster. The only way that it'll be a DPS gain is if you would be holding down block either way because of boss attacks. Might be better to just facetank it anyway.

    Just because something does damage doesn't mean it's worth using. Look at Ninjas. Autoattacks reduce the cooldown of their actual skills (like how tap block > BD puts BD on cd earlier) and they use that instead of their "bad" fillers with higher base damages.

    -11.9 more AS than we have now making ToB faster
    -Facetanka what? If you face tank HMs you are dead. First boss in SShm will destrooy you if you face tank him. Solo heals on the last as well since the healer to busy spamming res to spam you with heals
    -ToB Block procs BD in which BD should break its long animation which isn't really that long once you have AS as well it shouldn't be super short since it is a block.

    I think you are focusing on too much negativity to even think on how it could be useful or how you can benifit from it to be honest.

    More attack speed doesn't change the fact that it's slower than everything else.

    There are a lot of attacks in HM dungeons that you can facetank, especially with damage reduction on skills.

    I've never said it was never going to be used. I'm just saying that it's worse than doing your normal skill rotations.
  • AulonAulon ✭✭✭✭
    Obscumbra wrote: »
    Aulon wrote: »
    Obscumbra wrote: »
    Aulon wrote: »
    Obscumbra wrote: »
    Aulon wrote: »
    Obscumbra wrote: »
    Aulon wrote: »
    Derpybowl wrote: »
    Too bad tob gives no edge.

    Nor does your face but you still use it

    1 Edge is 1750 base damage. That's almost 50% of ToB's base damage post buff.

    You missing the IS A BLOCK THERE FOR CAN US IT WHEN YOU CANT USE OTHER SKILLS part so yea

    Or you can just not use it and tap block > BD or just block into your normal rotations. No Edge is a huge loss in DPS. It's why people don't use Pounce when CS exists.

    Yes, and since ToB is a block you by pass tapping block to proc DFA. So instead of tapping block which does no dam you tap ToB which does Dam and is a block and will proc BD since it is a block. Much like Wallope>Shield counter combo on a Lancer

    ToB's cast time is very slow. Unless someone shows me that the DPS is somehow higher than BD, which has more than double the base damage due Edge and damage glyphs, ToB > BD is a DPS loss over just tap block > BD since it uses BD faster. The only way that it'll be a DPS gain is if you would be holding down block either way because of boss attacks. Might be better to just facetank it anyway.

    Just because something does damage doesn't mean it's worth using. Look at Ninjas. Autoattacks reduce the cooldown of their actual skills (like how tap block > BD puts BD on cd earlier) and they use that instead of their "bad" fillers with higher base damages.

    -11.9 more AS than we have now making ToB faster
    -Facetanka what? If you face tank HMs you are dead. First boss in SShm will destrooy you if you face tank him. Solo heals on the last as well since the healer to busy spamming res to spam you with heals
    -ToB Block procs BD in which BD should break its long animation which isn't really that long once you have AS as well it shouldn't be super short since it is a block.

    I think you are focusing on too much negativity to even think on how it could be useful or how you can benifit from it to be honest.

    More attack speed doesn't change the fact that it's slower than everything else.

    There are a lot of attacks in HM dungeons that you can facetank, especially with damage reduction on skills.

    I've never said it was never going to be used. I'm just saying that it's worse than doing your normal skill rotations.

    Rain of Blows; Reduces Damage by 30 percent produces 1 edge, 7 second CD, basicly the only skill that reduces damage and gives edge

    Pounce; reduces damage by 50 percent, gives no edge, combos into RoBs, 10 sec CD unglyphed

    I like to see vids of you face tanking HMs using RoBs, maybe possible in full plus 15 gear, popping pots on CD and an healer spamming you with heals, other than that not believing you can.





    Pounce;
  • JasonLucasJasonLucas ✭✭✭
    Since ToB will block and we can chain BD after any successful block, we can cancel the ToB animation as soon it deals the damage.
    Derpybowl wrote: »
    JasonLucas wrote: »
    ToB still pull lots of aggro even with a low base damage, with this buff it will be OP.

    If we can stack edge and release it whenever we want in PvP there is no problem with the lose of crit glyph, the real problem is as DPS in PvE. Once you cap scythe crit rate any crit you get is a DPS loss on scythe, but if you don't stack crit the others skills wont crit and this is also a DPS loss. From my point of view a PvE crit passive would be much more useful for Tank and DPS.

    you cant stack and release edge whenever you want im pretty sure if I charge s BD you then combative strike some ninja I will have gone back to 1 edge not gained 1 edge to 3.


    Also its hard enough getting scythe to crit against a real pvper with all that crit resist now without the scythe double crit good fuckin luck. Inb4 some1 says use deadly gamble which is bm and cant be used in duels.
    We gotta wait the ktera patch to see how edge system will work.
  • ObsObs ✭✭✭
    Aulon wrote: »
    Obscumbra wrote: »
    Aulon wrote: »
    Obscumbra wrote: »
    Aulon wrote: »
    Obscumbra wrote: »
    Aulon wrote: »
    Obscumbra wrote: »
    Aulon wrote: »
    Derpybowl wrote: »
    Too bad tob gives no edge.

    Nor does your face but you still use it

    1 Edge is 1750 base damage. That's almost 50% of ToB's base damage post buff.

    You missing the IS A BLOCK THERE FOR CAN US IT WHEN YOU CANT USE OTHER SKILLS part so yea

    Or you can just not use it and tap block > BD or just block into your normal rotations. No Edge is a huge loss in DPS. It's why people don't use Pounce when CS exists.

    Yes, and since ToB is a block you by pass tapping block to proc DFA. So instead of tapping block which does no dam you tap ToB which does Dam and is a block and will proc BD since it is a block. Much like Wallope>Shield counter combo on a Lancer

    ToB's cast time is very slow. Unless someone shows me that the DPS is somehow higher than BD, which has more than double the base damage due Edge and damage glyphs, ToB > BD is a DPS loss over just tap block > BD since it uses BD faster. The only way that it'll be a DPS gain is if you would be holding down block either way because of boss attacks. Might be better to just facetank it anyway.

    Just because something does damage doesn't mean it's worth using. Look at Ninjas. Autoattacks reduce the cooldown of their actual skills (like how tap block > BD puts BD on cd earlier) and they use that instead of their "bad" fillers with higher base damages.

    -11.9 more AS than we have now making ToB faster
    -Facetanka what? If you face tank HMs you are dead. First boss in SShm will destrooy you if you face tank him. Solo heals on the last as well since the healer to busy spamming res to spam you with heals
    -ToB Block procs BD in which BD should break its long animation which isn't really that long once you have AS as well it shouldn't be super short since it is a block.

    I think you are focusing on too much negativity to even think on how it could be useful or how you can benifit from it to be honest.

    More attack speed doesn't change the fact that it's slower than everything else.

    There are a lot of attacks in HM dungeons that you can facetank, especially with damage reduction on skills.

    I've never said it was never going to be used. I'm just saying that it's worse than doing your normal skill rotations.

    Rain of Blows; Reduces Damage by 30 percent produces 1 edge, 7 second CD, basicly the only skill that reduces damage and gives edge

    Pounce; reduces damage by 50 percent, gives no edge, combos into RoBs, 10 sec CD unglyphed

    I like to see vids of you face tanking HMs using RoBs, maybe possible in full plus 15 gear, popping pots on CD and an healer spamming you with heals, other than that not believing you can.





    Pounce;

    You can easily facetank a couple hits of Pahoegar 4-hit combos with decently rolled gear while he's enraged. Healers don't have to spam heals on you at all. Their job is to make sure that you deal the most damage as possible. They don't even do anything on Pahoegar so healing the occasional 50k is whatever.

    Lancers and Brawlers use Onslaught and Bull Rush to facetank mechanics too. You can do the same.

    I never said you shouldn't use ToB ever. That will be useful during certain attacks where you would otherwise be holding down block. I'm saying that it's a loss of DPS over using normal rotations, which it is.
  • FleettFleett ✭✭✭✭
    @Obscumbra You will keep using your normal rotations, no one has said you won't.
    But you will incorporate ToB when you would otherwise block.
  • AulonAulon ✭✭✭✭
    Wondering if the block effect in ToB is in effect in both stances?
  • ObsObs ✭✭✭
    Fleett wrote: »
    @Obscumbra You will keep using your normal rotations, no one has said you won't.
    But you will incorporate ToB when you would otherwise block.

    That's literally what I said, except it's better to just block instead of ToB on short attacks so you can cast BD faster.
  • FleettFleett ✭✭✭✭
    I'm pretty sure it won't make any difference cause once you use ToB you can immediately cancel into BD (if boss hits obviously) which is the same as with Cross Parry.
  • AulonAulon ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2016
    Derpybowl wrote: »
    Aulon wrote: »
    Wondering if the block effect in ToB is in effect in both stances?

    it does because tob is not unique to any stance (like staggering counter is to astance and cross parry/smoke flanker/infuraite is to dstance)

    So in instances such as DFA on CD, you "could" ToB instead of Evasive for the free damage and BD proc?
  • BradshawBradshaw ✭
    it is more of a tank buff than a warrior revamp. Still, in terms of tanking, lancers and brawler are more sought after in dungeons.
  • KreuzigerKreuziger ✭✭
    @Catorii I have tried top 9 ats with x2 energetic 3. was really nice with my ping 220-240 stable. And using the beer for 20 extra ats wasn't a problem when u get used plus quat brooch during enrage
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