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We got a good patch (from patch notes) but some issues I want to be addressed too please.

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  • sanj66sanj66 ✭✭✭✭
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    tiama wrote: »
    1000 is from a lazy day when I do some iod on a few toons. Why would I exaggerate something so small and petty. 2 months to +15 a weapon is literally a joke though.. and you accuse me of exaggerating. 160 for x3 ilvl 417 bams, 120 for x3 ilvl 410 bams, 60+24 for x2 celestial arena. x14 toons. I would say 'you do the math' but obviously people in this thread are severe potatos and cant do simple things.. This equals 5096 t10 feedstock PER DAY for a few hours of farm.. obviously that is taking to the extreme and is extremely mindlessly boring, I do only USUALLY do around 2-3k. but it is still very simple and there is NOT a feedstock problem and we're NOT exaggerating anything lol. Now considering my average to + guile to 12 is 700-800 feeds.. you can +12 2 chars in full guile in 1 single day, without even using the free bunch of feedstock you get from the quests when you reach 65.. The math is slap bang right here in your face.. get off your butts, get out of HW and go get some feedstock and please stop complaining about the boxes.
    Awakening is a flat 2,000 t11, and per try is 200. It is considered that 50 is "generous", 50x200=10,000. We'll say 13,000 total. At 500 a day that is 26 days for the weapon alone if you aren't unlucky and go up to 100+. Also, remind me again how everyone has a bunch of level 65 alts? The time you have to play doesn't have anything to do with laziness, if all you do is IOD everyday then you're not actually even playing. This also isn't taking into account other expenses. It seems none of you are aware converting up a tier is a 2:1. I was talking about Ambush, like you were, so I'm unsure as to why you responded talking about Guile. I can get Guile to +12 with 0 feedstock for all it matters.
    tiama wrote: »
    Thankyou for at least agreeing that it is not a priority issue.
    You misunderstand, I think feedstock should have steady gains and not reliant on either playing for multiple years, having 14+ alts, or being here for events that gave a ton of free stuff. I just don't find their particular problems to be a priority and is a poor way of handling it anyways.
    tiama wrote: »

    We can compare play times if you like but considering I started playing in 2013, have 10 toons in full guile, 3 in imp and 1 in ambush I highly doubt this is the case.
    Only 1 in Ambush? Why not more since you get enough to fully enchant sets each week? I'm also not sure why this is a contest anyways. It doesn't make your stance any more valid. I have 2 full Ambush Lancers, had Archer in Ambush, a War in Ambush, Ninja, Sorc, Brawler, and 2 other Lancers in Imperator and another Warrior in Imperator. I fund 14 of my own characters on m main account
    sanj66 wrote: »
    i knw but you can convert the feed you get to t10 then min feed your gear with the extensive and premium alks you get to +12.
    Converting divides by 2.

    wow i did not know that...sarcasm, you still have enought feed with all the extensive and premiums plus you have feed from dungeons, you can do dungeons the first day of 65, vg dailies, gear drops from dungeons and the actualy feedstock from dungeons to augment that 750 odd that you got from the story quest, once you put the work in you can get a full +12 set in 1 day of getting 65, that is once you arent lazy and too busy whining on the forums.
  • YamazukiYamazuki ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2017
    sanj66 wrote: »
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    tiama wrote: »
    1000 is from a lazy day when I do some iod on a few toons. Why would I exaggerate something so small and petty. 2 months to +15 a weapon is literally a joke though.. and you accuse me of exaggerating. 160 for x3 ilvl 417 bams, 120 for x3 ilvl 410 bams, 60+24 for x2 celestial arena. x14 toons. I would say 'you do the math' but obviously people in this thread are severe potatos and cant do simple things.. This equals 5096 t10 feedstock PER DAY for a few hours of farm.. obviously that is taking to the extreme and is extremely mindlessly boring, I do only USUALLY do around 2-3k. but it is still very simple and there is NOT a feedstock problem and we're NOT exaggerating anything lol. Now considering my average to + guile to 12 is 700-800 feeds.. you can +12 2 chars in full guile in 1 single day, without even using the free bunch of feedstock you get from the quests when you reach 65.. The math is slap bang right here in your face.. get off your butts, get out of HW and go get some feedstock and please stop complaining about the boxes.
    Awakening is a flat 2,000 t11, and per try is 200. It is considered that 50 is "generous", 50x200=10,000. We'll say 13,000 total. At 500 a day that is 26 days for the weapon alone if you aren't unlucky and go up to 100+. Also, remind me again how everyone has a bunch of level 65 alts? The time you have to play doesn't have anything to do with laziness, if all you do is IOD everyday then you're not actually even playing. This also isn't taking into account other expenses. It seems none of you are aware converting up a tier is a 2:1. I was talking about Ambush, like you were, so I'm unsure as to why you responded talking about Guile. I can get Guile to +12 with 0 feedstock for all it matters.
    tiama wrote: »
    Thankyou for at least agreeing that it is not a priority issue.
    You misunderstand, I think feedstock should have steady gains and not reliant on either playing for multiple years, having 14+ alts, or being here for events that gave a ton of free stuff. I just don't find their particular problems to be a priority and is a poor way of handling it anyways.
    tiama wrote: »

    We can compare play times if you like but considering I started playing in 2013, have 10 toons in full guile, 3 in imp and 1 in ambush I highly doubt this is the case.
    Only 1 in Ambush? Why not more since you get enough to fully enchant sets each week? I'm also not sure why this is a contest anyways. It doesn't make your stance any more valid. I have 2 full Ambush Lancers, had Archer in Ambush, a War in Ambush, Ninja, Sorc, Brawler, and 2 other Lancers in Imperator and another Warrior in Imperator. I fund 14 of my own characters on m main account
    sanj66 wrote: »
    i knw but you can convert the feed you get to t10 then min feed your gear with the extensive and premium alks you get to +12.
    Converting divides by 2.

    wow i did not know that...sarcasm, you still have enought feed with all the extensive and premiums plus you have feed from dungeons, you can do dungeons the first day of 65, vg dailies, gear drops from dungeons and the actualy feedstock from dungeons to augment that 750 odd that you got from the story quest, once you put the work in you can get a full +12 set in 1 day of getting 65, that is once you arent lazy and too busy whining on the forums.

    On the day you get to 65 you most likely have 0 vanguard badges actually since they don't reset when hitting 65. Also, again, what does this have to do with Ambush enchanting?
  • Yamazuki wrote: »
    tiama wrote: »
    1000 is from a lazy day when I do some iod on a few toons. Why would I exaggerate something so small and petty. 2 months to +15 a weapon is literally a joke though.. and you accuse me of exaggerating. 160 for x3 ilvl 417 bams, 120 for x3 ilvl 410 bams, 60+24 for x2 celestial arena. x14 toons. I would say 'you do the math' but obviously people in this thread are severe potatos and cant do simple things.. This equals 5096 t10 feedstock PER DAY for a few hours of farm.. obviously that is taking to the extreme and is extremely mindlessly boring, I do only USUALLY do around 2-3k. but it is still very simple and there is NOT a feedstock problem and we're NOT exaggerating anything lol. Now considering my average to + guile to 12 is 700-800 feeds.. you can +12 2 chars in full guile in 1 single day, without even using the free bunch of feedstock you get from the quests when you reach 65.. The math is slap bang right here in your face.. get off your butts, get out of HW and go get some feedstock and please stop complaining about the boxes.
    Awakening is a flat 2,000 t11, and per try is 200. It is considered that 50 is "generous", 50x200=10,000. We'll say 13,000 total. At 500 a day that is 26 days for the weapon alone if you aren't unlucky and go up to 100+. Also, remind me again how everyone has a bunch of level 65 alts? The time you have to play doesn't have anything to do with laziness, if all you do is IOD everyday then you're not actually even playing. This also isn't taking into account other expenses. It seems none of you are aware converting up a tier is a 2:1. I was talking about Ambush, like you were, so I'm unsure as to why you responded talking about Guile. I can get Guile to +12 with 0 feedstock for all it matters.
    tiama wrote: »
    Thankyou for at least agreeing that it is not a priority issue.
    You misunderstand, I think feedstock should have steady gains and not reliant on either playing for multiple years, having 14+ alts, or being here for events that gave a ton of free stuff. I just don't find their particular problems to be a priority and is a poor way of handling it anyways.
    tiama wrote: »

    We can compare play times if you like but considering I started playing in 2013, have 10 toons in full guile, 3 in imp and 1 in ambush I highly doubt this is the case.
    Only 1 in Ambush? Why not more since you get enough to fully enchant sets each week? I'm also not sure why this is a contest anyways. It doesn't make your stance any more valid. I have 2 full Ambush Lancers, had Archer in Ambush, a War in Ambush, Ninja, Sorc, Brawler, and 2 other Lancers in Imperator and another Warrior in Imperator. I fund 14 of my own characters on m main account
    sanj66 wrote: »
    i knw but you can convert the feed you get to t10 then min feed your gear with the extensive and premium alks you get to +12.
    Converting divides by 2. Also talking about Ambush anyways, so you would be diving by 2 from 9 to 10, then by 2 again for 10 to 11.

    Talking about guile cos this whole thread is about the crappy boon box and t10 gears.. also why would I waste time getting more ambush when it gets pooped on next patch. rather sell every 1000 feeds for 14-15k and save money for then. I'm not trying to make it a contest but Vi 'obviously' plays more than me. I don't do iod all day or even close to, it takes a couple of hours out of your time, if you don't want to do them and don't care about the tokens you get (for more pennies) you can just do dungeons as your VG's in its place. Anyway most of this conversation was talking about guile gears etc etc. I don't get why you would take 26 days getting 500 feeds each day when it takes 1 day to get another toon to 65. you could make a bunch of alts and get more feeds nothing is stopping you from doing that. based on your 13,000 estimate and me getting 5096 t10 feeds each day it would take 3 days to +15 your wep with 2k left over if you worked a little bit for it (exactly the amount of days I have off from work each week).

    Honestly this thread is already way out of hand and stupid I'm just sick of seeing the same 'Enchanting Boon Box' thread over and over again just because people are too lazy to actually do stuff. I'm not in any way trying to be hostile towards you. Just stating to others, more than yourself, how easy it actually is to get the needed materials and I don't want GM's/Devs focusing on the trivial when we need other things to be looked at more than that.
  • tiama wrote: »
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    tiama wrote: »
    1000 is from a lazy day when I do some iod on a few toons. Why would I exaggerate something so small and petty. 2 months to +15 a weapon is literally a joke though.. and you accuse me of exaggerating. 160 for x3 ilvl 417 bams, 120 for x3 ilvl 410 bams, 60+24 for x2 celestial arena. x14 toons. I would say 'you do the math' but obviously people in this thread are severe potatos and cant do simple things.. This equals 5096 t10 feedstock PER DAY for a few hours of farm.. obviously that is taking to the extreme and is extremely mindlessly boring, I do only USUALLY do around 2-3k. but it is still very simple and there is NOT a feedstock problem and we're NOT exaggerating anything lol. Now considering my average to + guile to 12 is 700-800 feeds.. you can +12 2 chars in full guile in 1 single day, without even using the free bunch of feedstock you get from the quests when you reach 65.. The math is slap bang right here in your face.. get off your butts, get out of HW and go get some feedstock and please stop complaining about the boxes.
    Awakening is a flat 2,000 t11, and per try is 200. It is considered that 50 is "generous", 50x200=10,000. We'll say 13,000 total. At 500 a day that is 26 days for the weapon alone if you aren't unlucky and go up to 100+. Also, remind me again how everyone has a bunch of level 65 alts? The time you have to play doesn't have anything to do with laziness, if all you do is IOD everyday then you're not actually even playing. This also isn't taking into account other expenses. It seems none of you are aware converting up a tier is a 2:1. I was talking about Ambush, like you were, so I'm unsure as to why you responded talking about Guile. I can get Guile to +12 with 0 feedstock for all it matters.
    tiama wrote: »
    Thankyou for at least agreeing that it is not a priority issue.
    You misunderstand, I think feedstock should have steady gains and not reliant on either playing for multiple years, having 14+ alts, or being here for events that gave a ton of free stuff. I just don't find their particular problems to be a priority and is a poor way of handling it anyways.
    tiama wrote: »

    We can compare play times if you like but considering I started playing in 2013, have 10 toons in full guile, 3 in imp and 1 in ambush I highly doubt this is the case.
    Only 1 in Ambush? Why not more since you get enough to fully enchant sets each week? I'm also not sure why this is a contest anyways. It doesn't make your stance any more valid. I have 2 full Ambush Lancers, had Archer in Ambush, a War in Ambush, Ninja, Sorc, Brawler, and 2 other Lancers in Imperator and another Warrior in Imperator. I fund 14 of my own characters on m main account
    sanj66 wrote: »
    i knw but you can convert the feed you get to t10 then min feed your gear with the extensive and premium alks you get to +12.
    Converting divides by 2. Also talking about Ambush anyways, so you would be diving by 2 from 9 to 10, then by 2 again for 10 to 11.

    Talking about guile cos this whole thread is about the crappy boon box and t10 gears.. also why would I waste time getting more ambush when it gets pooped on next patch. rather sell every 1000 feeds for 14-15k and save money for then. I'm not trying to make it a contest but Vi 'obviously' plays more than me. I don't do iod all day or even close to, it takes a couple of hours out of your time, if you don't want to do them and don't care about the tokens you get (for more pennies) you can just do dungeons as your VG's in its place. Anyway most of this conversation was talking about guile gears etc etc. I don't get why you would take 26 days getting 500 feeds each day when it takes 1 day to get another toon to 65. you could make a bunch of alts and get more feeds nothing is stopping you from doing that. based on your 13,000 estimate and me getting 5096 t10 feeds each day it would take 3 days to +15 your wep with 2k left over if you worked a little bit for it (exactly the amount of days I have off from work each week).

    Honestly this thread is already way out of hand and stupid I'm just sick of seeing the same 'Enchanting Boon Box' thread over and over again just because people are too lazy to actually do stuff. I'm not in any way trying to be hostile towards you. Just stating to others, more than yourself, how easy it actually is to get the needed materials and I don't want GM's/Devs focusing on the trivial when we need other things to be looked at more than that.

    What about Imp? That's t10 :DD And I like your method of leveling alts over and over for mats A+ :DD Where will I get the alkahest though? Boy oh boy, I can't wait to try this one out!
  • Apen wrote: »
    tiama wrote: »
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    tiama wrote: »
    1000 is from a lazy day when I do some iod on a few toons. Why would I exaggerate something so small and petty. 2 months to +15 a weapon is literally a joke though.. and you accuse me of exaggerating. 160 for x3 ilvl 417 bams, 120 for x3 ilvl 410 bams, 60+24 for x2 celestial arena. x14 toons. I would say 'you do the math' but obviously people in this thread are severe potatos and cant do simple things.. This equals 5096 t10 feedstock PER DAY for a few hours of farm.. obviously that is taking to the extreme and is extremely mindlessly boring, I do only USUALLY do around 2-3k. but it is still very simple and there is NOT a feedstock problem and we're NOT exaggerating anything lol. Now considering my average to + guile to 12 is 700-800 feeds.. you can +12 2 chars in full guile in 1 single day, without even using the free bunch of feedstock you get from the quests when you reach 65.. The math is slap bang right here in your face.. get off your butts, get out of HW and go get some feedstock and please stop complaining about the boxes.
    Awakening is a flat 2,000 t11, and per try is 200. It is considered that 50 is "generous", 50x200=10,000. We'll say 13,000 total. At 500 a day that is 26 days for the weapon alone if you aren't unlucky and go up to 100+. Also, remind me again how everyone has a bunch of level 65 alts? The time you have to play doesn't have anything to do with laziness, if all you do is IOD everyday then you're not actually even playing. This also isn't taking into account other expenses. It seems none of you are aware converting up a tier is a 2:1. I was talking about Ambush, like you were, so I'm unsure as to why you responded talking about Guile. I can get Guile to +12 with 0 feedstock for all it matters.
    tiama wrote: »
    Thankyou for at least agreeing that it is not a priority issue.
    You misunderstand, I think feedstock should have steady gains and not reliant on either playing for multiple years, having 14+ alts, or being here for events that gave a ton of free stuff. I just don't find their particular problems to be a priority and is a poor way of handling it anyways.
    tiama wrote: »

    We can compare play times if you like but considering I started playing in 2013, have 10 toons in full guile, 3 in imp and 1 in ambush I highly doubt this is the case.
    Only 1 in Ambush? Why not more since you get enough to fully enchant sets each week? I'm also not sure why this is a contest anyways. It doesn't make your stance any more valid. I have 2 full Ambush Lancers, had Archer in Ambush, a War in Ambush, Ninja, Sorc, Brawler, and 2 other Lancers in Imperator and another Warrior in Imperator. I fund 14 of my own characters on m main account
    sanj66 wrote: »
    i knw but you can convert the feed you get to t10 then min feed your gear with the extensive and premium alks you get to +12.
    Converting divides by 2. Also talking about Ambush anyways, so you would be diving by 2 from 9 to 10, then by 2 again for 10 to 11.

    Talking about guile cos this whole thread is about the crappy boon box and t10 gears.. also why would I waste time getting more ambush when it gets pooped on next patch. rather sell every 1000 feeds for 14-15k and save money for then. I'm not trying to make it a contest but Vi 'obviously' plays more than me. I don't do iod all day or even close to, it takes a couple of hours out of your time, if you don't want to do them and don't care about the tokens you get (for more pennies) you can just do dungeons as your VG's in its place. Anyway most of this conversation was talking about guile gears etc etc. I don't get why you would take 26 days getting 500 feeds each day when it takes 1 day to get another toon to 65. you could make a bunch of alts and get more feeds nothing is stopping you from doing that. based on your 13,000 estimate and me getting 5096 t10 feeds each day it would take 3 days to +15 your wep with 2k left over if you worked a little bit for it (exactly the amount of days I have off from work each week).

    Honestly this thread is already way out of hand and stupid I'm just sick of seeing the same 'Enchanting Boon Box' thread over and over again just because people are too lazy to actually do stuff. I'm not in any way trying to be hostile towards you. Just stating to others, more than yourself, how easy it actually is to get the needed materials and I don't want GM's/Devs focusing on the trivial when we need other things to be looked at more than that.

    What about Imp? That's t10 :DD And I like your method of leveling alts over and over for mats A+ :DD Where will I get the alkahest though? Boy oh boy, I can't wait to try this one out!

    I know you're being sarcastic but honestly just try it and see what you think before you mock it anymore. The alkahest comes from MWA box from Vg merchant (you get credits while doing the quests). You don't need to level them over and over ofc, just do 3-4 alts to start with, get them full guile (very easy if you already have a small stash of intercede and feed from doing vg's) when you no longer need the materials anymore you will see that doing 5 toons everyday will either make you a lot of mats or a lot of gold. Especially if you do the mindless iod and spend your tokens on fascinations and caprins and sell them. I'm currently making 200-240k per week on my server from this method alone and I only play properly for 3 days. Personally for iod VG I recommend Archer, Sorc, Brawler and Lancer (maybe warrior now I haven't tried it yet). I've dropped the crappy hostility and put the information in the palm of your hand, do what you wish with it friends. Good day, Take care and most importantly, have fun
  • YamazukiYamazuki ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2017
    tiama wrote: »
    Talking about guile cos this whole thread is about the crappy boon box and t10 gears..
    You're the one who said by the time you get the mats for Ambush you would have the feedstock for it, so I wanted to know how that was even possible without already having some from playing for longer than this patch; or playing a lot to be able to IOD while doing RM/LK each day.
    tiama wrote: »
    also why would I waste time getting more ambush when it gets pooped on next patch.

    You could have made several sets before KR got new gear. It can also be sold later in the patch before the patch. It also makes little sense to conserve something easy to get anyways. I don't break down my Guile when I get Ambush, so when I did sell it I just put the Guile back on.
    tiama wrote: »
    rather sell every 1000 feeds for 14-15k and save money for then. I'm not trying to make it a contest but Vi 'obviously' plays more than me. I don't do iod all day or even close to, it takes a couple of hours out of your time, if you don't want to do them and don't care about the tokens you get (for more pennies) you can just do dungeons as your VG's in its place. Anyway most of this conversation was talking about guile gears etc etc. I don't get why you would take 26 days getting 500 feeds each day when it takes 1 day to get another toon to 65. you could make a bunch of alts and get more feeds nothing is stopping you from doing that. based on your 13,000 estimate and me getting 5096 t10 feeds each day it would take 3 days to +15 your wep with 2k left over if you worked a little bit for it (exactly the amount of days I have off from work each week).
    The issue is, not everyone has the time to level a ton of alts, and if you're doing IOD on all of them then you're not doing LK/RM for the other stuff you need, nor are you gathering or selling for the other expenses of upgrading gear. It's easy for someone like me as I'm unemployed, but some people have more responsibilities than others, and not having a lot of spare time doesn't equate to being "lazy".
    tiama wrote: »
    Honestly this thread is already way out of hand and stupid I'm just sick of seeing the same 'Enchanting Boon Box' thread over and over again just because people are too lazy to actually do stuff. I'm not in any way trying to be hostile towards you. Just stating to others, more than yourself, how easy it actually is to get the needed materials and I don't want GM's/Devs focusing on the trivial when we need other things to be looked at more than that.
    The thing is, the box for VGs would be inefficient anyways, it means you're getting less alk, unless you have a ton, and the box costs a lot anyways. VGs are being used for too many things, the way I see it, he's spamming complaints just because he wants to complain. If he legitimately thinks there needs more feedstock he would be asking for them to actually drop in dungeons, so you can get a reasonable amount by doing dungeons and not spamming IOD. I don't mind doing IOD, but I can see why others don't. I see feedstock as a bonus IOD wise, since I do it mostly for the points+the mats to sell for the little time it takes me to complete.
  • tiama wrote: »
    Apen wrote: »
    tiama wrote: »
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    tiama wrote: »
    1000 is from a lazy day when I do some iod on a few toons. Why would I exaggerate something so small and petty. 2 months to +15 a weapon is literally a joke though.. and you accuse me of exaggerating. 160 for x3 ilvl 417 bams, 120 for x3 ilvl 410 bams, 60+24 for x2 celestial arena. x14 toons. I would say 'you do the math' but obviously people in this thread are severe potatos and cant do simple things.. This equals 5096 t10 feedstock PER DAY for a few hours of farm.. obviously that is taking to the extreme and is extremely mindlessly boring, I do only USUALLY do around 2-3k. but it is still very simple and there is NOT a feedstock problem and we're NOT exaggerating anything lol. Now considering my average to + guile to 12 is 700-800 feeds.. you can +12 2 chars in full guile in 1 single day, without even using the free bunch of feedstock you get from the quests when you reach 65.. The math is slap bang right here in your face.. get off your butts, get out of HW and go get some feedstock and please stop complaining about the boxes.
    Awakening is a flat 2,000 t11, and per try is 200. It is considered that 50 is "generous", 50x200=10,000. We'll say 13,000 total. At 500 a day that is 26 days for the weapon alone if you aren't unlucky and go up to 100+. Also, remind me again how everyone has a bunch of level 65 alts? The time you have to play doesn't have anything to do with laziness, if all you do is IOD everyday then you're not actually even playing. This also isn't taking into account other expenses. It seems none of you are aware converting up a tier is a 2:1. I was talking about Ambush, like you were, so I'm unsure as to why you responded talking about Guile. I can get Guile to +12 with 0 feedstock for all it matters.
    tiama wrote: »
    Thankyou for at least agreeing that it is not a priority issue.
    You misunderstand, I think feedstock should have steady gains and not reliant on either playing for multiple years, having 14+ alts, or being here for events that gave a ton of free stuff. I just don't find their particular problems to be a priority and is a poor way of handling it anyways.
    tiama wrote: »

    We can compare play times if you like but considering I started playing in 2013, have 10 toons in full guile, 3 in imp and 1 in ambush I highly doubt this is the case.
    Only 1 in Ambush? Why not more since you get enough to fully enchant sets each week? I'm also not sure why this is a contest anyways. It doesn't make your stance any more valid. I have 2 full Ambush Lancers, had Archer in Ambush, a War in Ambush, Ninja, Sorc, Brawler, and 2 other Lancers in Imperator and another Warrior in Imperator. I fund 14 of my own characters on m main account
    sanj66 wrote: »
    i knw but you can convert the feed you get to t10 then min feed your gear with the extensive and premium alks you get to +12.
    Converting divides by 2. Also talking about Ambush anyways, so you would be diving by 2 from 9 to 10, then by 2 again for 10 to 11.

    Talking about guile cos this whole thread is about the crappy boon box and t10 gears.. also why would I waste time getting more ambush when it gets pooped on next patch. rather sell every 1000 feeds for 14-15k and save money for then. I'm not trying to make it a contest but Vi 'obviously' plays more than me. I don't do iod all day or even close to, it takes a couple of hours out of your time, if you don't want to do them and don't care about the tokens you get (for more pennies) you can just do dungeons as your VG's in its place. Anyway most of this conversation was talking about guile gears etc etc. I don't get why you would take 26 days getting 500 feeds each day when it takes 1 day to get another toon to 65. you could make a bunch of alts and get more feeds nothing is stopping you from doing that. based on your 13,000 estimate and me getting 5096 t10 feeds each day it would take 3 days to +15 your wep with 2k left over if you worked a little bit for it (exactly the amount of days I have off from work each week).

    Honestly this thread is already way out of hand and stupid I'm just sick of seeing the same 'Enchanting Boon Box' thread over and over again just because people are too lazy to actually do stuff. I'm not in any way trying to be hostile towards you. Just stating to others, more than yourself, how easy it actually is to get the needed materials and I don't want GM's/Devs focusing on the trivial when we need other things to be looked at more than that.

    What about Imp? That's t10 :DD And I like your method of leveling alts over and over for mats A+ :DD Where will I get the alkahest though? Boy oh boy, I can't wait to try this one out!

    I know you're being sarcastic but honestly just try it and see what you think before you mock it anymore. The alkahest comes from MWA box from Vg merchant (you get credits while doing the quests). You don't need to level them over and over ofc, just do 3-4 alts to start with, get them full guile (very easy if you already have a small stash of intercede and feed from doing vg's) when you no longer need the materials anymore you will see that doing 5 toons everyday will either make you a lot of mats or a lot of gold. Especially if you do the mindless iod and spend your tokens on fascinations and caprins and sell them. I'm currently making 200-240k per week on my server from this method alone and I only play properly for 3 days. Personally for iod VG I recommend Archer, Sorc, Brawler and Lancer (maybe warrior now I haven't tried it yet). I've dropped the crappy hostility and put the information in the palm of your hand, do what you wish with it friends. Good day, Take care and most importantly, have fun

    Already have a main and 11 alts on MT. Throw me a character slot and I'd be glad to try :DD
  • sanj66sanj66 ✭✭✭✭
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    sanj66 wrote: »
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    tiama wrote: »
    1000 is from a lazy day when I do some iod on a few toons. Why would I exaggerate something so small and petty. 2 months to +15 a weapon is literally a joke though.. and you accuse me of exaggerating. 160 for x3 ilvl 417 bams, 120 for x3 ilvl 410 bams, 60+24 for x2 celestial arena. x14 toons. I would say 'you do the math' but obviously people in this thread are severe potatos and cant do simple things.. This equals 5096 t10 feedstock PER DAY for a few hours of farm.. obviously that is taking to the extreme and is extremely mindlessly boring, I do only USUALLY do around 2-3k. but it is still very simple and there is NOT a feedstock problem and we're NOT exaggerating anything lol. Now considering my average to + guile to 12 is 700-800 feeds.. you can +12 2 chars in full guile in 1 single day, without even using the free bunch of feedstock you get from the quests when you reach 65.. The math is slap bang right here in your face.. get off your butts, get out of HW and go get some feedstock and please stop complaining about the boxes.
    Awakening is a flat 2,000 t11, and per try is 200. It is considered that 50 is "generous", 50x200=10,000. We'll say 13,000 total. At 500 a day that is 26 days for the weapon alone if you aren't unlucky and go up to 100+. Also, remind me again how everyone has a bunch of level 65 alts? The time you have to play doesn't have anything to do with laziness, if all you do is IOD everyday then you're not actually even playing. This also isn't taking into account other expenses. It seems none of you are aware converting up a tier is a 2:1. I was talking about Ambush, like you were, so I'm unsure as to why you responded talking about Guile. I can get Guile to +12 with 0 feedstock for all it matters.
    tiama wrote: »
    Thankyou for at least agreeing that it is not a priority issue.
    You misunderstand, I think feedstock should have steady gains and not reliant on either playing for multiple years, having 14+ alts, or being here for events that gave a ton of free stuff. I just don't find their particular problems to be a priority and is a poor way of handling it anyways.
    tiama wrote: »

    We can compare play times if you like but considering I started playing in 2013, have 10 toons in full guile, 3 in imp and 1 in ambush I highly doubt this is the case.
    Only 1 in Ambush? Why not more since you get enough to fully enchant sets each week? I'm also not sure why this is a contest anyways. It doesn't make your stance any more valid. I have 2 full Ambush Lancers, had Archer in Ambush, a War in Ambush, Ninja, Sorc, Brawler, and 2 other Lancers in Imperator and another Warrior in Imperator. I fund 14 of my own characters on m main account
    sanj66 wrote: »
    i knw but you can convert the feed you get to t10 then min feed your gear with the extensive and premium alks you get to +12.
    Converting divides by 2.

    wow i did not know that...sarcasm, you still have enought feed with all the extensive and premiums plus you have feed from dungeons, you can do dungeons the first day of 65, vg dailies, gear drops from dungeons and the actualy feedstock from dungeons to augment that 750 odd that you got from the story quest, once you put the work in you can get a full +12 set in 1 day of getting 65, that is once you arent lazy and too busy whining on the forums.

    On the day you get to 65 you most likely have 0 vanguard badges actually since they don't reset when hitting 65. Also, again, what does this have to do with Ambush enchanting?

    i think you're replying to the wrong person, i am not the one talking about ambush enchanting specifically, i was just replying to them saying you cant enchant guile on day one. though i do concur getting ambush to +15 is not something meant to be done overnight from cap or even in a couple weeks.
  • YamazukiYamazuki ✭✭✭✭✭
    sanj66 wrote: »
    i think you're replying to the wrong person, i am not the one talking about ambush enchanting specifically, i was just replying to them saying you cant enchant guile on day one. though i do concur getting ambush to +15 is not something meant to be done overnight from cap or even in a couple weeks.

    I was mostly saying getting feedstock for Ambush in the time to get the mats for it was the exaggeration, and some of the reasoning behind getting Guile +12 in a day is also not entirely correct, even if possible. You can't do VGs when you hit 65 since you have 0 badges if you go from 1 to 65 in a day is an example of such inaccuracy. I can't comment on the prem/ext alk, I don't remember how many you get from the quests, but I am not sure that they provide enough for all pieces of Guile either, if someone can provide a number it would be helpful, otherwise I'll check on an alt account sometime. It also makes no sense to rush it in a day, when if you're new (or lacking in resources) it's better to stick with Slaughter and gear enchant Guile as it uses 0 resources. I mostly use gear enchant even for alts, since if no one needs the pieces that aren't class specific I take them and bank it. Have gotten several pieces last patch (slaughter) to +12 with no feedstock and some Guile this patch to at least 11.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    I mostly use gear enchant even for alts, since if no one needs the pieces that aren't class specific I take them and bank it. Have gotten several pieces last patch (slaughter) to +12 with no feedstock and some Guile this patch to at least 11.

    This is why I do for gear enchantment on Slaughter and Guile but here seems that everyone waste their feedstoks and alks for them.

    Gear enchant is easy from 1-9 you will be a bit stuck between 9-12 but if you play every day you should get +12 whitout problems before the week ends.
  • Feeds not that hard to get once your done enchanting gear its stacks up by doing dailies (if your not aiming for VM but i feel thats a minority of people atm) spend your VG credits on MW boxes or buy them on off broker stop being so impatient(lost words here XD)
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2017
    Feeds not that hard to get once your done enchanting gear its stacks up by doing dailies (if your not aiming for VM but i feel thats a minority of people atm) spend your VG credits on MW boxes or buy them on off broker stop being so impatient(lost words here XD)

    The thing is not that feeds being hard or easy to get but the Enchantment Box being to expensive for giving you almost everytime 15-30 t9 feeds.
  • (Wont let me quote on phone)

    Then dont waste credits on it whining on forums aint gonna help cuz EME dont look at forums when they trying to improve the game (dont quote me on that tho)
  • sanj66sanj66 ✭✭✭✭
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    sanj66 wrote: »
    i think you're replying to the wrong person, i am not the one talking about ambush enchanting specifically, i was just replying to them saying you cant enchant guile on day one. though i do concur getting ambush to +15 is not something meant to be done overnight from cap or even in a couple weeks.

    I was mostly saying getting feedstock for Ambush in the time to get the mats for it was the exaggeration, and some of the reasoning behind getting Guile +12 in a day is also not entirely correct, even if possible. You can't do VGs when you hit 65 since you have 0 badges if you go from 1 to 65 in a day is an example of such inaccuracy. I can't comment on the prem/ext alk, I don't remember how many you get from the quests, but I am not sure that they provide enough for all pieces of Guile either, if someone can provide a number it would be helpful, otherwise I'll check on an alt account sometime. It also makes no sense to rush it in a day, when if you're new (or lacking in resources) it's better to stick with Slaughter and gear enchant Guile as it uses 0 resources. I mostly use gear enchant even for alts, since if no one needs the pieces that aren't class specific I take them and bank it. Have gotten several pieces last patch (slaughter) to +12 with no feedstock and some Guile this patch to at least 11.

    we werent discussing the sense behind rushing it as we all agree its pointless to do so, but there is validity in that you can do it, which that other guy was arguing you cant.
  • aeee98aeee98 ✭✭✭✭
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    sanj66 wrote: »
    i think you're replying to the wrong person, i am not the one talking about ambush enchanting specifically, i was just replying to them saying you cant enchant guile on day one. though i do concur getting ambush to +15 is not something meant to be done overnight from cap or even in a couple weeks.

    I was mostly saying getting feedstock for Ambush in the time to get the mats for it was the exaggeration, and some of the reasoning behind getting Guile +12 in a day is also not entirely correct, even if possible. You can't do VGs when you hit 65 since you have 0 badges if you go from 1 to 65 in a day is an example of such inaccuracy. I can't comment on the prem/ext alk, I don't remember how many you get from the quests, but I am not sure that they provide enough for all pieces of Guile either, if someone can provide a number it would be helpful, otherwise I'll check on an alt account sometime. It also makes no sense to rush it in a day, when if you're new (or lacking in resources) it's better to stick with Slaughter and gear enchant Guile as it uses 0 resources. I mostly use gear enchant even for alts, since if no one needs the pieces that aren't class specific I take them and bank it. Have gotten several pieces last patch (slaughter) to +12 with no feedstock and some Guile this patch to at least 11.

    You actually can in theory, but it meant being in a timezone that spans two resets when you are awake. My timezone has its reset at 8pm lol... But we get what you mean.

    Feedstock has never really been a widescale problem in NA Tera. If you want to see the problem, go into other servers where feedstock is over 100g a piece. If you are actually spending time on dungeons, you will get your feedstock naturally. Even by doing only midtier dungeons you are already getting 320 t10 from vanguard credits as well as additional drops from dungeons. To really solve the non-existant problem of feedstock shortage, the solution isn't really for bonanza boxes to be in vanguard shop, but for feedstock drops in dungeons mid-tier and up to increase to begin with, scaling with difficulty. Be honest, 4 feedstock a boss feels underwhelming.

    I am expecting that argument about "Bonanza boxes giving SES". I really am. Because it is the reason why so many people just farm kuma on alts everyday for bonanza boxes. Again, putting the boxes will not make any sense until credits are unobtainable.

    There are truly more things to worry about than a problem that will only happen when the lunar dancer comes.
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