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We got a good patch (from patch notes) but some issues I want to be addressed too please.

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  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    If there is a feedstock shortage then why feedstock keeps droping its value at broker?

    T11 used to cost you more than 35g now they are for less than 25g.

    That would imply that there is no demand for those and the shorage is almost nonexistent?.
  • DvsvDvsv ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2017
    I was a hardcore player during VM5-VM8 patch with +15 current VM main and 3x farming toons, i know what i'm talking.
    If we ignore TAR/Dungeon drop fod events/Mongo, the only way to farm meaningful feedestock/mwa is:

    *If you put a [filtered] load of time gearing at least 3~4 farming toons on mid-tier +12 with etchings, full glyphs and know the class, or;
    *If you p2w, sell EMP and buy fod/mwa on broker, that's the most time efficient way, it's like 10x faster time wise and any player shoud be able to buy +15 imperator on the first few days spending some bucks rn, i rly question the non-p2w nature of this game.

    Anything past 4 farming toons is a huge time sink and not realistic for the huge majority of adult players.

    Btw, i never ever saw one single player that quit this game cuz it was "too easy to farm", in fact it was the the opposite: I know lots of ppl that quit cuz they put a lot of useless "hard work" to +15 VM and, 3 months later, glorious BHS just trashed their gear.
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    If there is a feedstock shortage then why feedstock keeps droping its value at broker?

    T11 used to cost you more than 35g now they are for less than 25g.

    That would imply that there is no demand for those and the shorage is almost nonexistent?.
    Nope.
    That implies that we're too far on the patch and there's much less ppl gearing now (i.e: less demand for feedstock)!.

    If we ignore events, feedstock supply on this game was mostly problematic.
    I rly think EME should use that rmnm feedstock event and buff every mid-tier and higher dungeon accordingly so we don't relly too much on events like Mongos.
    Tier 10 Spellbind and that stupid 6:1 conversion rate is also problematic too ( 100 T10 Spellbind/week cap is nothing) and SES will be a huge problem on VM9 patch.



  • DelusoDeluso ✭✭✭✭
    Dvsv wrote: »
    Btw, i never ever saw one single player that quit this game cuz it was "too easy to farm", in fact it was the the opposite: I know lots of ppl that put a lot of useless "hard work" +15 VM and, 3 months after, glorious BHS just trashed their gear.
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    Yea, I'm start saving up for upcoming patch since Guile 2.0 gonna be pretty much equals to Ambush...
  • DvsvDvsv ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2017
    Btw, just checked rn:

    3x Tier 3 IOD BAMs + 3x Tier 2 IOD BAMs + 1x RMNM + 1x LKNM daily: Total 275~285 T10 feedstock.
    On a full guile +12 sorc with +207 crit this took like ~1 Hr 30 min.

    So, for 1000 T10, we need: 1000/280 = 3,6 toons, let's say 4 toons for 1120 T10 per day, that's 4x 1Hr 30min = 6 Hrs/day just farming feedstock!
    There's the time spent leveling 4x lv65 toon and gearing them on full guile +12, that's not even realistic for any new player.

    Btw, iirc, the feedstock from lv65 red quest is barely enough for +12 even a full slaughter set!

    Avg luck per guile +12 piece is 1000T10, bad luck is like 2000T10, so 3 days-1 week is more realistic for a perfect rolled +12 guile weapon.

    Now let's think about +15 one Ambush weapon with average luck (40 tries): ~1000 base T11 till +12+2000 +40x200 =11000 T11 = 22000 T10, that's 20 days of insane 6 Hrs/day playstyle or 40 days on a more realistic 3 hr/day and i'm ignoring MWA/VM mats farming.
    By the time an "average" player can +15 the weapon, he/she will use it for only 40 days before BHS trash everything again with new gear. By then, i'm pretty sure this new player will wonder if it's even worth to continue playing Tera..
    I'm sorry for tanks that want full +15 lol or ppl that fails 150 tries on a single piece, 3~4 months of farming for a gear that last only 6 months is so stupid.
    The fact is: Most ppl that +15 anything now got their feedstock from months/years of playtime or events like Mongos..

    Imho, ppl should at least play the game before calling anyone lazy.



  • YamazukiYamazuki ✭✭✭✭✭
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    If there is a feedstock shortage then why feedstock keeps droping its value at broker?

    T11 used to cost you more than 35g now they are for less than 25g.

    That would imply that there is no demand for those and the shorage is almost nonexistent?.

    It only dropped from the event, and it's already back to ~28g/unit on TR. Feedstock only drops in price when an event increases supply, otherwise it very slowly goes up or jumps during events that cause demand. This is partly why drop events aren't always good. You cause the demand to go up, more people making Ambush. Soon there will be a new class that will cause a spike in demand for Guile/Imp/Ambush enchanting followed by new season of gear as well. During the event, if you wanted to, you could have bought all the feedstock that were low and simply resold them even at just 5g/unit higher. Feedstock always rebounds its price very quickly since even when events give an "unnecessary" amount it's not really as much. Compare that to say MWA, where it used to cost more than feedstock, and has for a while been down to 1/3 the cost of feedstock.
  • sanj66sanj66 ✭✭✭✭
    Dvsv wrote: »
    I was a hardcore player during VM5-VM8 patch with +15 current VM main and 3x farming toons, i know what i'm talking.
    If we ignore TAR/Dungeon drop fod events/Mongo, the only way to farm meaningful feedestock/mwa is:

    *If you put a [filtered] load of time gearing at least 3~4 farming toons on mid-tier +12 with etchings, full glyphs and know the class, or;
    *If you p2w, sell EMP and buy fod/mwa on broker, that's the most time efficient way, it's like 10x faster time wise and any player shoud be able to buy +15 imperator on the first few days spending some bucks rn, i rly question the non-p2w nature of this game.

    Anything past 4 farming toons is a huge time sink and not realistic for the huge majority of adult players.

    Btw, i never ever saw one single player that quit this game cuz it was "too easy to farm", in fact it was the the opposite: I know lots of ppl that quit cuz they put a lot of useless "hard work" to +15 VM and, 3 months later, glorious BHS just trashed their gear.
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    If there is a feedstock shortage then why feedstock keeps droping its value at broker?

    T11 used to cost you more than 35g now they are for less than 25g.

    That would imply that there is no demand for those and the shorage is almost nonexistent?.
    Nope.
    That implies that we're too far on the patch and there's much less ppl gearing now (i.e: less demand for feedstock)!.

    If we ignore events, feedstock supply on this game was mostly problematic.
    I rly think EME should use that rmnm feedstock event and buff every mid-tier and higher dungeon accordingly so we don't relly too much on events like Mongos.
    Tier 10 Spellbind and that stupid 6:1 conversion rate is also problematic too ( 100 T10 Spellbind/week cap is nothing) and SES will be a huge problem on VM9 patch.



    etching for alt? lol i have never swiped to buy fod/mwa,i didnt even get to take part in mongo as i was at work that entire weekend, and i play just about 3 chars really, and i came into this patch with around 100k-120k mwas and feedstock to match it, i have a full time job and i go to uni for masters not those online courses and i party alot when i feel like it. play smart and know your class, how does 6 iod , 1 rmnm and 1 lknm take 1hr and 30 minutes? in guile you can do iod in 20 mins, rmnm in 15 mins and lknm in 10, thats 45 minutes and i dont have etchings on my alt chars except priest on its staff. a full slaughter set can be +12 in under 500 feedstock cuz of how easy it is to enchant from being last patch mid tier. fyi i been fere before you, people survived and had full +15 sets before these broken events and when they first made feedstock a thing.
  • LesbianViLesbianVi ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Dvsv Thanks for pointing out the truth in better English than mine :3
  • NobupakNobupak ✭✭✭
    edited February 2017
    I really like this warrior revamp, thank you everyone for submitting any bugs/issues with the game!
    Now, please stay on topic.
  • LesbianViLesbianVi ✭✭✭✭✭
    NPCPak wrote: »
    I really like this warrior revamp, thank you everyone for submitting any bugs/issues with the game!
    Now, please stay on topic.

    We got an Elin Dev, behaves.
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