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Question about Marrow Brooch and Healers~

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  • PetasoPetaso ✭✭
    I think healers and tanks are more important, but slightly. Because if you have inexperienced healer or tank that can ruin or trouble the whole party compared to 1 or 2 dps. Also They're so much more dps then heals and tanks. '3' i havent been in a party with a rude healer before but i have been in a lot of party's with bad mannered dps. But because they're so many dps i've come acrossed so many bad players. When it comes to party formats you have tanks and healers playing more attention to mechs then dps a lot of times.
    But i do believe a well balanced team should shares all of the work together.

    Also i do believe healers should roll, but only after DPS/Tanks roll, because they dont really need it compared to other classes even though its very slightly higher brooch, But it would be considerate to let your healers roll after everyone passes. c:
  • kamizumakamizuma ✭✭✭✭
    roll if you want it, pass if you don't
  • SylvietteSylviette ✭✭✭
    They should have left it bankable.
  • FlowerPetalsFlowerPetals ✭
    So... anybody else remember how much uproar was caused before smart armor boxes were a thing and you had someone roll on armor that wasn't for their class? The armor was still better than the beginning gear, the only downside to wearing it was that you didn't get the class line (which you didn't get anyway from the beginning gear)... but it was considered a cardinal sin that would result in a kick and perm ban from that guild run, etc. Or how upset people were when someone in full beginner gear rolled on VM materials, especially if they weren't even going for VM?

    But now the forums are doing a complete 180 and saying its okay to roll on stuff even if someone else can get a ton more use out of it?



    Personally I've always been an advocate for having the ability to roll on everything unless some deal was worked out beforehand (IE if a marrow brooch drops, everyone that rolls on it pays those who don't 500-1k gold for them to not roll, that way they can eventually buy a better broach, or something like that). It should be up to the individual player to decide if they need said item or if it would be better on someone else, nobody else should have a say in that, equal reward for equal effort (assuming they put in equal effort, someone who was intimate with the floor for 90% of the fight probably shouldn't roll on the brooch).

  • BernkassyelBernkassyel ✭
    static = you do what's better for whole raid / pug = you roll unless raid leader told you before join that brooch is reserved to damage dealers.
  • nightmare2x2xnightmare2x2x ✭
    double cleanse doesn't work the same way as dps boost... you would be weaving around doing nothing for a good chunk coming out of combat to swap brooches whereas that isn't the case with dps... the statement about having double cleanse abilities is flawed...
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Blerg wrote: »
    Catatonic wrote: »
    Blerg wrote: »
    Healers should be allowed to roll I guess, but they should also have the decency not to.

    I find this interesting. What makes a healer less entitled to roll than another class?

    It doesn't do much for them, so they're just stealing a useful upgrade from a class that gets much more out of it. Seems obvious to me. If it were tradeable and people didn't want to sell-and-split, then of course everyone would have equal claim for greed purposes.

    And this is one of the main reasons no body wants to heal or tank for dps who thinks this way.

    Everyone deserve the same oportunities to get stuff from loot, if healer was doing good then he is not stealing anything.

    Wow... what kind of retrograde way of thinking is that.

    Tanks have as much right to roll on stuff since they're frontal dps where as Priest/Mystic are support and don't scale off the brooch upgrade well. It seems greedy to roll on something specifically for bragging rights, since that's the only reason to get it as a Mystic or Priest. There's a difference if it can be sold, but you can't trade it, so you're literally taking something you won't make use of away from someone that can, that's just as bad as when people took gear for a class they don't play.

    Let's make priorities then.

    If we are talking about a party where no one has the brooch then I "think" tanks should be the first to get it, then dps and last healer.

    If tank and dps already have the brooch It would be polite to let the healer have it.

    But to call "stealing" as others state it's rather being greedy/intolerant/ungrateful and whatever you want to add there against one of the roles who is helping the team to progress throught raid.

    Tanks, nor healers, are more important than dps. I think the fact people have that mentality is a problem. I tank/heal and don't consider myself of higher vlaue, since no dps=slow as [filtered] run or impossible to clear depending on the instance.

    I have lost you, not sure if you are really quoting me becuase I can't see what's your point for doing so.

    You said tanks should get them first. This implies they are of higher importance than dps, when they aren't. Also, the order mentality of how people act towards tanks aren't why people don't tank, if you ignore the bias tanks/healers are actually far more rude than dps are since they find themselves important, and in the case of tanks, they know they can be a [filtered] since you have to deal with them for wait 30+ minutes or another one.

    Well, I now got your point, that's what I used "think".

    What I really am against is about the "stealing" idea some ppl has about healer roling for this brooch.

    You were there, you did what you must, you have the all the right to roll on it to get it.

    Ppl calling thief a healer for doing that are far more greedy than the healer himself.
  • KetothKetoth ✭✭✭✭
    If you didnt have a healer you wouldnt clear the dungeon.

    Dps should have priority in the first clears, in other to improve how the raid clear. But after a point there is no reason to not allow healer roll for it.( he was there in the first clears)

    This depend how organize your raid group is. You could apply a DKP system for it.

    Also do you prefer a dps that get the brooch and never raid again or a healer that get the brooch but will be there helping for the next run?
  • metagamemetagame ✭✭✭✭
    Ketoth wrote: »
    If you didnt have a healer you wouldnt clear the dungeon.
    in terms of p4, you could say the exact same thing about all three roles.
  • PaulisAwesomePaulisAwesome ✭✭✭
    Ketoth wrote: »
    Also do you prefer a dps that get the brooch and never raid again or a healer that get the brooch but will be there helping for the next run?

    You also take that risk with a healer getting a brooch then leaving. That's a issue that depends on the person not the class.
  • TWMagimayTWMagimay ✭✭✭✭✭
    FlowerPetals wrote: »
    But now the forums are doing a complete 180 and saying its okay to roll on stuff even if someone else can get a ton more use out of it?

    Well, it's not "a ton more use". Marrow is a bit better than quatrefoil and I'd argue a healer would also get a bit of extra from having marrow over another brooch as you can use it to boost attack speed and that can mean the difference between a wipe and a save. But, yeah, the forums have always been a bit funny when it comes to loot.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    TWMagimay wrote: »
    FlowerPetals wrote: »
    But now the forums are doing a complete 180 and saying its okay to roll on stuff even if someone else can get a ton more use out of it?

    Well, it's not "a ton more use". Marrow is a bit better than quatrefoil and I'd argue a healer would also get a bit of extra from having marrow over another brooch as you can use it to boost attack speed and that can mean the difference between a wipe and a save. But, yeah, the forums have always been a bit funny when it comes to loot.

    What i really find funny is that forums say that healer won't have to roll almost everyting.

    If a dps has full +15 is ok for him to roll for guile gear for his alts but if healer is guile +12 most of the ppl says "healer don't need it so he must not roll".

    It's just stupid to base rolls because class, however if your guild has a rule about that then that's diferent.

    Being polite would be what makes the diference here, you have it then don't roll, you don't have it but there is someone else who also don't have it and can help more the party with the brooch then don't roll it.

    There is nothing more into it, everyone is free to roll over it.
  • ZajchikZajchik ✭✭
    edited February 2017
    No one really needs the new brooch, it's more of a want. Will it help your DPS? Sure. Is it impossible to complete end-game without it? Definitely not.

    And besides, would you pass the other mats that drop? No? Didn't think so. Asking the Healer to not roll on something and also lose out on Behe pieces is super BM. You're basically asking the healer to heal you through the dungeon for literally zero reward. It's senseless.

    If you really want the brooch, form yourself a party and get all parties to agree to pass for you. I don't mind reserved runs to help someone out, but don't ask me to come (non-res run*) and then get all pissy because I roll on something I worked just as hard as you for.



  • ILikeTeddyBearsILikeTeddyBears ✭✭✭
    metagame wrote: »
    it acts as a cleansing brooch, and doesn't share cd with the rare/superior cleansing brooch. having two available cleanses is very nice to have in case of emergencies, and healers may or may not be able to afford a qf just like anyone else

    I'm surprised some people don't have 4 cleansing brooches espec when they've played as long as I have. A good chunk of my characters have the two old nexus brooches and the two new ones.
  • Deleted UserDeleted User
    As a healer I've always passed brooch for others (now only few ppl don't have it), because I feel it is a waste on healer where the dps and tank benefit from it much more. Also I would rather get it on DPS alt when it is my turn to roll, why wasting it? After everyone has their brooches and the rolls are free i might be rolling on healer as well.
    In a pug I'd pass as well, bc I am not that self-centered guy not to pass.
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