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Lag
Any lag from you ppl? I am having slide show here on TR
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Each update/patch are now introduces new Lag Build features in it.
When you're saying you're having a slide show, are you talking about your framerate lagging, or network lagging (delay in performing skills)? Is this in the open world, or in instances?
Please be more specific.
I've spent the last 3+ years on this forum trying to help diagnose and solve problems. Nothing is obvious at all; we have people who conflate framerate issues with network issues all the time. Even the "atrocious lag that we are dealing with for the past couple of months" is caused by a number of different, unrelated causes. In this case, his connection was completely frozen for a few minutes, as he went on to say. That's not the same as the issue you are complaining about, and in this case is more likely a local network problem. (As he said, he was just posting on the forum to see if everyone had the same issue as he at the same time, which they didn't in this case.)
So, no, it isn't obvious what issue he's talking about, and in this very case he was not talking about the same thing you're talking about. People have been posting about lag problems long, long before the latest turn of events, and they're not all caused by the same thing.
Your computer got a problem, you told Windows about it, diagnostic tool popped up asking some questions, then processed to turn in a detail report log about the problem.
Great job ! Now where's the solution ? "01000024848 error"
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Ok this might be useful for a developer trying to fix this, but how about a solution for me as a common user ? "We have sent a report to Microsoft"
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Well this might take a while, but next time windows update it should be fixed right ? "..."
~After 18467589 patches/updates later~
Hello, what about the fix for my problem submitted 5 years ago ? "01000024848 error"
... Yea I'm buying a new Mac. Thank you for being so helpful at shielding your employer.
No, think of the forum as people who don't even care to use a diagnostic tool to figure out what the error message. Instead, they just see something wrong and say "my Windows is broken!". And when someone asks "can you be more specific about what's broken about it?" they say "Windows is always broken, it's a piece of [filtered]." And then when someone else has a problem with their computer, they be sure to give their two cents "don't bother; I've got nothing but problems; Windows is a piece of [filtered]". Because they don't actually care about helping anyone else with a problem; they're just so embittered by their own problems that they want everyone else to share their misery/bitterness and to agree with them that Windows is [filtered]. Maybe they're trying to convince people to buy Macs? Maybe they just hate Windows that much? Maybe they just think that if they keep on shitting on Windows in every single thread, sooner or later someone will notice their own "my Windows is broken!" issue?
Making people believe that every single cause of lag is caused by server problems has no benefit because it's just not true. EME knows it's not true. They won't fix problems that aren't actually problems and they'll just ignore you for being trolls. Meanwhile, it distracts from things that seemingly are their problems, like lag spikes in instances. It clouds the data about people who have been positively and negatively impacted by the route changes in December (which is something they can influence). And it just pollutes the forum with this sort of garbage, which results in them reading the forum less and less. But hey, please go on attacking me if it makes you feel better. I don't work for EME and if I go away it just means one less person to provide them feedback about the root causes of issues. I don't believe causing things to burn more in the hopes they'll take notice is a good strategy for targeted improvement.
The term slideshow is mostly used for fps problems, which is probably why he was asking, you can't blame Counterpoint when they are using the wrong terms to describe network latency.
Yes, I do believe that there're times when causing things to burn more is a better strategy to attract attention. Remember FIHM patches ? EME refused to disclosure that they couldn't do anything, to the point just completely ignored it in the 2016 producer's letter. We burned the old forum and boycott the game until they had to admit their incompetence, with the promise of transparency for future issues. After that was a long period of peace where EME and their players went hand in hand trying to make better change to the game. It worked, but not until so many people had already left the game because there wasn't a fire big enough to make EME realized it's not because Tera's losing popularity, but because of their administration. History is repeating itself here.
A freeze due to network issues isn't anywhere close to a slideshow. FPS lag is called a slideshow because it looks like one, alternating through a series of images. When you get network lag and basically disconnect briefly it isn't doing that at all, you freeze briefly and it continues on, although these issues are mostly called rubber-banding; such as dodging in-out but get put back into what you avoided a second later and dying, that's rubber-banding, not a slideshow.
There's no reason to defend misuse of words. If you want help with any issues you have to be as descriptive as possible, otherwise you just won't get help. Any problems with modern technology could have hundreds of possible issues, and without details it is difficult to help. None of this is Counterpoint's fault, and all he was doing was asking for details, he didn't defend anything. The op wasn't clear as to what his problem was. At this point this thread has now been hijacked and devolved into another whiny thread rather than even answering the op's concern, unsurprisingly.