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warrior vs slayer? new player

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  • SaabiSaabi ✭✭✭
    edited February 2017
    Ok guys, I know most Slayers you may encounter are not the best. However, Slayer is not as bad as you think. Yeah it's not top tier DPS, and its towards the bottom with gunner... But its still comparable to every DPS besides the big 3 (Sorc/Archer/Warrior).

    Here's some of my parses. I do pretty well i think. There's not many people i lose to DPS wise even when i play Slayer. Not trying to brag just trying to shed light that.. skill is still a very strong factor even with a "weak" class. Yes i know i would have done more dmg if i played FoTM but i choose to play what i enjoy and i get more satisfaction performing well with the class i enjoy.

    moongourd.com/results?player=Saabi&server=Mount%20Tyrannas&area=970&boss=3000

    sidenote: I am not damage controlling Slayer. The class does indeed need buffs for balance purposes, so does Gunner.
  • SaabiSaabi ✭✭✭
    edited February 2017
    DPS tier should be Warrior > Archer/Sorc > Zerk >= Reaper/Ninja > Slayer >= Gunner

    Remember. As with any tier list, this assumes every player on each class is at the same level skill wise, all performing at a high level.

    If you're an experienced and overall really strong Slayer. You're not going to lose in DPS to another player using FoTM unless that player is near your skill level.
  • Xplato wrote: »
    NOT EVEN CLOSE.

    Slayer is garbage Tier. it's the worst class without any compeition for that title. and until it get's massive Buffs to MS, and most of it's skills(at least +40% damage for every skill) it will always be trash tier, slayer should have Damage on par with lunar dancer, archer. it does not. so until it get's it's rework it needs to be at that tier, you shouldn't play it.

    play lunar dancer once it's out, it's how slayers are supposed to perform. slayers will not be played after it's out, since lunar dancer is better than it in every way.

    What is lunar dancer? When is that coming out?
  • Well slayers feel neglected and hopeless
    I kinda give up slayer recently but i play tanks instead of FOTM classes because I am sick of lack of tanks.
    I played warrior tank before revamp. Now it is so strong I can do much better than tanking as a lancer or brawler
    I am glad to see some warrior tank in PuGs doing really well. Unfortunately tanks are still badly demanded. I still see so many LFGs with multiple warriors looking for a tank.
    Regardless of patch warrior is the most popular class ever because it just looks so cool like Kirito. This revamp adds more reasons.
    Bandwagon warriors, male castanic warriors in partiucular. never bother tanking.
  • SaabiSaabi ✭✭✭
    edited February 2017
    I don't get it.. Dealing over 2 mill dps on every boss in RMHM is considered "hopeless". This is a great community we have. The crying really has to stop.

    This is why top players don't frequent here. So many people cry but don't know how to play their class. Just creates headaches...
  • @InFRaReD28

    It's hopeless because other classes can easily do 3m. If you are happy with slayer doing a little over 2m, then good for you i guess.

    The situation is even more grim when you look at HH, where the next weakest class outdoes slayer by 20%. Archer/warrior effectively does double slayer 's dps. Slayer is royally screwed in there because the crit resist is very high.

    I look at your parse in at HH phase 4, your best is 240k. That is lower than an archer in guile can do.

    And you talk about top players. 10% deficit is too much handicap for some people. We are talking about 50% deficit here. It is hard to blame bandwagoners because that is exactly what BHS wants them to do.
  • mollyyamollyya ✭✭✭
    edited February 2017
    InFRaReD28 wrote: »
    DPS tier should be Warrior > Archer/Sorc > Zerk >= Reaper/Ninja > Slayer >= Gunner

    Remember. As with any tier list, this assumes every player on each class is at the same level skill wise, all performing at a high level.

    If you're an experienced and overall really strong Slayer. You're not going to lose in DPS to another player using FoTM unless that player is near your skill level.
    InFRaReD28 wrote: »
    I don't get it.. Dealing over 2 mill dps on every boss in RMHM is considered "hopeless". This is a great community we have. The crying really has to stop.

    This is why top players don't frequent here. So many people cry but don't know how to play their class. Just creates headaches...

    Dear pro slayer, you admitted that slayer is at bottom tier if all classes are played right and efficiently.
    Slayer needs a significant buff right? Slayer is either get ignored or receiving tiny tweaks that only marginally improve the damage output in every patch. Compare to insane 'Thunderbolt' and 'Deadly gamble'.
    Dealing 2M DPS isn't surprising. Your teammates are god like too. If UOHS gets 3.25x multiplier slayer is in rampage but it is rare to see.
    Not sure what extend the class change 13 improves slayer, we will see.
    Sorc gets revamped. Archer gets revamped. Warrior gets revamped. Time to revamp slayer? No. BHS released lunar dancer, another broken DPS class that can literally replace slayer.
    That gives a strong impression of slayer being 'hopeless'.
    I am actually too tired of crying slayer. I still enjoy outdpsing some archers/warriors/sorcerer bandwagoners by my hopeless slayer in some PuGs that's it.
  • SaabiSaabi ✭✭✭
    @VirtualON Dude you are a true memester if you really think the big 3 can EASILY pull 3mill dps. Please. The highest parsing sorc can't even EASILY pull 3mill dps. Stop making things up. All classes sit naturally in between 2-3mill . Only with stacked parties can 3mill be broken and that's assuming the player using that class is using it at the highest level, which pretty much means it won't apply to any of you here lmao.

    Also. Lol Harrowhold...
  • SaabiSaabi ✭✭✭
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    Yes it's at the bottom @mollyya but it's not much weaker than zerk/reaper/ninja, they are actually really close. Which makes me wonder about all this QQ. There will always be a class at the bottom, but its just crazy how many "slayer is [filtered]" memes float around within the community
  • SaabiSaabi ✭✭✭
    After the next class balance, Slayer will be ok. It won't be broken as many of you want it to be (comparing it to lunar dancer lol), but it should still be strong and comparable to all the other classes.
  • sanj66sanj66 ✭✭✭✭
    InFRaReD28 wrote: »
    I don't get it.. Dealing over 2 mill dps on every boss in RMHM is considered "hopeless". This is a great community we have. The crying really has to stop.

    This is why top players don't frequent here. So many people cry but don't know how to play their class. Just creates headaches...

    it is when you consider it compartively to the other dps class or even non dps classes. you cannot sit there and think its ok slayers are ok because they constantly get neglected in balances due to ktera talent syste. all that talk about balancing classes and then balancing talents is pure garbage, they just balance around ktera. with equal skill and equal gear every other dps class will leave a slayer sniffing fumes.
  • sanj66sanj66 ✭✭✭✭
    InFRaReD28 wrote: »
    @VirtualON Dude you are a true memester if you really think the big 3 can EASILY pull 3mill dps. Please. The highest parsing sorc can't even EASILY pull 3mill dps. Stop making things up. All classes sit naturally in between 2-3mill . Only with stacked parties can 3mill be broken and that's assuming the player using that class is using it at the highest level, which pretty much means it won't apply to any of you here lmao.

    Also. Lol Harrowhold...

    warriors on moongourad have done over 3.5m and they ran double warrior dps only, warrior dps is good but if they ran with a good sorc/archer he could have gotten closer to if not 4m/s. i saw sorcs die 7+ times on nightmare lachelith and still get 2m/s so what are you talking about naturally only 2-3m. just because you only go off of moongourd doesnt mean moongourd is everything. alot of people do really high runs and they just dont export it cuz whats the point? the site is unofficial, its riddled with bugs and now its trying to make money off of people who use it, when it is unofficially using data gathered against the tos of the game.
  • SaabiSaabi ✭✭✭
    @sanj66 that literally makes no sense. Warrior is the highest dps, therefore the highest dps a warrior is gonna pull is with another warrior dps.

    However I do agree needs buffs, but they are not as bad as you guys claim. If you're not inept at the class, you should pull similar dps to every class minus the big 3.
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