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Paragon -> Valkyrie Wins [Updated]

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  • EllieChuEllieChu ✭✭✭
    Spacecats wrote: »
    kamalr wrote: »
    'Moonlight Warrior'/'Lunar Dancer' were good names because they at least referenced their moon-based abilities, and what they do in combat.

    Not to shoot down anyone's suggestions, but as far as I've seen none of the class moves have a direct reference to a moon in their appearance.

    I'm sorry, but I am 100% sure that this class has several references to the moon. Let's start with the Official Developer's Note about this new class. Please read the translated version of official BHS developer's note:

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vHWmTaTjWIH054_u81Mw5gLxJRhQlgI5XHdhWSrOfhc/edit?usp=sharing

    Here, there have been several references to the moon for this class. Even using skills show Moon as well.

    Very first thing you notice is this line
    To emphasize on character skill traits, we’ve chosen the Moon as the concept.
    The moon brought the symbol of sharpness and coldness,
    and we’ve set the powerful final blow Lunar Scar and Blood Moon as the base concept.

    Moon was the very base concept for this class, thus leading to the choice of weapon being Glaive. Without the concept of moon in mind, this class would never have been created.
    In order to find the right weapon and motion, we’ve investigated and thought through carefully from Korean Woldo arts, 24 Martial Arts, Chinese Podao*Guandao arts, Japanese Naginata, etc.
    (We’ve even tried to mimic them with a large umbrella in empty meeting room too...)
    In the end, we decided on Glaives (to be exact with original text: Chinese Guandao) that focuses striking with large blade at the tip and swinging around spinning motion to attack, and a Leather armor to match the dextrous movements.

    Here, Woldo (월도; 月刀) literally means Moon Blade, which we can call it Crescent Blade. Podao (朴刀; Plain Blade) and Guandao(关刀 ; Blade of Guan Yu). Guandao is also called Crescent Moon Blade (偃月刀) and if you've read Romance of Three Kingdoms or seen any works related to it, you will never miss this weapon called Green Dragon Crescent Blade (青龍偃月刀). Notice that we see 月刀 again, which is Crescent Blade portion of the word, and like I said, this literally means Moon Blade. Guandao is famous enough to appear in several works aside from anything related to three kingdoms.

    And if people still don't understand why I called it Lunar Dancer, it's because they literally described it as one
    At last, a Castanic Female who cuts through enemies at melee range while gathering powers from moonlight to infuse on to their glaives, Lunar Dancer was born. Now we’ll go over more details about the traits that Lunar Dancer has.
    [...]
    There are other various attack motions other than wide swings, and her fluid like chain skills as she slices through her enemies,
    is almost as if she is dancing under the moonlight.

    A melee class that slices through enemies swiftly and elegantly with her weapon infused with the power of moonlight, almost as if she is dancing under moonlight.

    Again, BHS emphasizes their main concept of Moon.

    My translations are mostly rewritten word-for-word without much of modification to keep their original meanings. So "Lunar Dancer" is not simply a fan-made, but the combination of both concept and design that the developer had in mind. I respected the ideas and concepts so I tried to keep them at best of my abilities to translate.

    Also, majority of their skill names are based on Moon. I'll even specify what Chinese derived words they used for their names in parentheses, so see how many Moon (月) you find:

    I am giving you three different naming for them:
    1. Direct Translation
    2. Names for the skill icon in English given by BHS
    3. What Sam and I translated as

    Consecutive Hit Slash (連擊斬)- Combo - Combo Attack
    Dodge (回避) - Moon Shadow - Moon Shadow (it's basically evasive roll )
    Moonlight Resonance (月光의 孔明) - Moonlight Dash - Moonlight Burst
    Rise Hit Slash (昇擊斬) - Rising Shot - Skyward Slash
    Wind Slash (風斬) - Cross Way - Gale Slash
    Rupture Slash (破裂斬) - Burst - Piercing Moonlight
    Earth Hit Slash (地擊斬) - Cutting - Fracture
    Moon Wave Slash (月波斬) - Split - Moon Fang
    Moonlight Lunge (月光跳躍) - Dash Cut - Lunar Rush
    Rise Attack (起床攻擊) - Rising Attack - Retaliate
    Moonlight Gravity (月光의 引力)- Moon Gravity - Lunar Gravity
    Moonlight Blast (月光爆)- Throw Glaive - Lunar Crash
    Consecutive Spin Slash (連廻斬)- Helicopter Cuts - Rolling Moon
    Moonlight Follow (月光沿) - Moon Catch - Umbra Slash
    Soul Hit Slash (魂擊斬)- Fatal Shot - Soul Scythe
    True Moon Light (眞月明)- Moonlight - Gathering Moonlight
    Spin Wind Slash (旋風斬)- Twister - Typhoon
    New Moon: Moonlight Resonance (新月:月光의 孔明) - Crescent Cut - New Moon: Moonlight Burst
    Moonlight's Blessing (月光의 加護) - Moon Grace Buff - Moonlight Sanctuary
    Red Moon (赤月) - Red Moon - Blood Moon
    Full Moon (滿月) - Full Moon - Full Moon

    You may have noticed (明) this character has sun(日) and moon (月) together, creating Bright (明) since both sun and moon provides light to the word day and night.

    With the amount of "moon" present in the original text, (not counting 明), that's 11/21. At least half of their skills are based on moon.

    Also check out how some skill animation shows Moon:

    Moonlight Blast (月光爆)- Throw Glaive - Lunar Crash:
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    Red Moon (赤月) - Red Moon - Blood Moon
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    There are several others where if you use Full moon, you will see that it draws ~8m radius sized moon on the ground, indicating the range of the attack (although, the attack still hits at around 10~12m).

    btfo
  • JBGamingJBGaming ✭✭✭
    Ketoth wrote: »
    Moondancer isnt a word. Find one dictionary with it and i will belive you. You have moon and dancer. Moondancer not being a word but a NAME can have register. If can have register, specialy with a show, prepare for a copyright sue. And i dont think EME want do deal with that.

    You are wrong

    Copyright law states the following:

    Copyright law does not protect names, titles, or short phrases or expressions. Even if a name, title, or short phrase is novel or distinctive or lends itself to a play on words, it cannot be protected by copyright. The U.S. Copyright Office cannot register claims to exclusive rights in brief combinations of words such as:
    • Names of products or services • Names of businesses, organizations, or groups (including the names of performing groups) • Pseudonyms of individuals (including pen or stage names) • Titles of works • Catchwords, catchphrases, mottoes, slogans, or short advertising expressions • Listings of ingredients, as in recipes, labels, or formulas. When a recipe or formula is accompanied by an explanation or directions, the text directions may be copyrightable, but the recipe or formula itself remains uncopyrightable.


    If you disagree with this contact the federal government.
  • WitchyGirlWitchyGirl ✭✭
    edited March 2017
    nevermind .....
  • JBGamingJBGaming ✭✭✭
    WitchyGirl wrote: »
    dont choose "valkyrie" (female) because tera might allow male castanics to be selected in the future.

    Maybe they should be selected..
  • In the end, even if the name is used by someone else in a different context, there's no way you could be confused by the name of the class vs. a character in another work of fiction. Heck, many of the other names proposed are way more commonly-used out there (including "Paragon" which is used extensively in the gaming industry, and even has an entire game with that name). One way or another, it'll work out.
  • Spacecats wrote: »
    kamalr wrote: »
    'Moonlight Warrior'/'Lunar Dancer' were good names because they at least referenced their moon-based abilities, and what they do in combat.

    Not to shoot down anyone's suggestions, but as far as I've seen none of the class moves have a direct reference to a moon in their appearance.

    EDIT - Idi0ticGenius corrected me here. There are some appearances of the moon in the skills for the new class.

    https://sites.google.com/site/yoshasstuff/13classskilllist

    Read the link. How about the fact that there are all these translated names with "moon" in them, or the translated class name .... maybe do some research first be for getting sassy Space-y.

    No sass intended honestly. I kind of already addressed this if you read my follow-up post about the direct translation of Korean. There are actually multiple instances in NA TERA where the history lore, character names, item names, location names, and even quest plots are different from the Korean version of TERA. This is done as part of the localization process and carries over to other English speaking regions.
  • It uses pole-arms there are plenty of fighting animations they could use to make it look like it dances, but honestly Valkyrie and pole-arms goes hand-in-hand it's what they do! it'd make no sense not to call them Valkyrie if the names a choice! given there are DOZENS of other warriors out there that also use pole-arms so ?? possibility's endless! who's to say which kind of pole-arm it uses anyway, all the way from the simple common spear to the lesser known monk's spade, or even cool looking halberds?!

    I'm hyped.
  • JBGamingJBGaming ✭✭✭
    In the end, even if the name is used by someone else in a different context, there's no way you could be confused by the name of the class vs. a character in another work of fiction. Heck, many of the other names proposed are way more commonly-used out there (including "Paragon" which is used extensively in the gaming industry, and even has an entire game with that name). One way or another, it'll work out.

    So are Elves, High Elves, Humans, Sorceror, Lancer, Gunner. So yeah it kind of makes things pretty clear on that. Either way I am comfortable with Moondancer or Valkyrie. I can actually see it being Moondancer anyway. It was when the class was first being introduced that it was called something close to that anyway. Lunardancer Moondancer same thing. lol Just not separated is all.
  • Ginjitsu wrote: »
    @Spacecats

    You should slap some sense to whoever came up with this dumb idea...
    https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/12114/poll-name-the-next-tera-class

    The idea to let the community decide on the new class name? Should I find a mirror so I can see it, or just slapping myself right away? ;D
  • WitchyGirlWitchyGirl ✭✭
    edited March 2017
    nevermind .....
  • JBGamingJBGaming ✭✭✭
    Spacecats wrote: »
    Ginjitsu wrote: »
    @Spacecats

    You should slap some sense to whoever came up with this dumb idea...
    https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/12114/poll-name-the-next-tera-class

    The idea to let the community decide on the new class name? Should I find a mirror so I can see it, or just slapping myself right away? ;D

    Don't go there space cats. To be honest a poll was a smart decisions. let's the community at large make a choice. What should not have been done was allow them to see the actually results. Not until the 5th.
  • VirtualONVirtualON ✭✭✭
    Yes please. Glaiver would win by a landslide if you add it to the poll. Every second post, some one mentioned Glaiver. How can you ignore it ?
  • MagichanMagichan ✭✭✭
    Spacecats wrote: »
    Ginjitsu wrote: »
    @Spacecats

    You should slap some sense to whoever came up with this dumb idea...
    https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/12114/poll-name-the-next-tera-class

    The idea to let the community decide on the new class name? Should I find a mirror so I can see it, or just slapping myself right away? ;D

    Do it on stream, we'll watch.

    (I think poll is a good thing, but I'm also okay with people slapping themselves).
  • Spacecats wrote: »
    Ginjitsu wrote: »
    @Spacecats

    You should slap some sense to whoever came up with this dumb idea...
    https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/12114/poll-name-the-next-tera-class

    The idea to let the community decide on the new class name? Should I find a mirror so I can see it, or just slapping myself right away? ;D

    Don't go there space cats. To be honest a poll was a smart decisions. let's the community at large make a choice. What should not have been done was allow them to see the actually results. Not until the 5th.

    Unfortunately that's not something that can be tweaked with the Vanilla forum polls. I did disable the setting that lets people see specifically who voted for who since that seemed unnecessary.
  • TriggTrigg ✭✭
    Thank you for the opportunity to have the class name voted like this, much appreciated. :3 Spacecats +1 <3
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