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State of the Reaper
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And how would you measure dps Sanj66? With a dpsmeter which is forbidden and against the rules of Tera?
I will reinterate what I said previously on another post before you posted. Opinions are meant to be proven true or false. We do this by statistics. To add to this, it does not give us or anyone the right to call someones stupid or ignorant in underlying words. Which is what people have been doing in this forum and unacceptable. There is away to rebuttal someones opinion without being rude.
I brought it up for a few reason.
1. I do see a few reapers that go in head strong to face tank everything and mainly for the reason that "Everyones is too slow. I don't want to do this all day." Comments like that.
2. The number of the class has faded. For what reason has it faded away?
3. The need to understand what the reaper can actually do in benefitting the party.
Understanding some updated information of the class with the present revamps of other classes and introductions of others leads for a need of knowing if this class may be considered useless or if it needs to be revamped as well?
The guides to assist players on building their classes are slowly being upgraded however, Reaper is yet to be done. The last update on reaper was before the brawler patch.
So it stands to reason to ask certain questions, in purpose to ponder the classes usefulness at present.
1. Reapers cannot face-tank endgame content. Their armor is not suited for that.
2. The number of Reapers has faded for several reasons. The first reason is that BHS revamps certain classes, making those classes (warrior, archer, sorc) deal incredibly more damage than reapers. Many reaper mains left for a revamped class. Additionally, other classes gained buffs which helped them stay afloat, but Reaper has received little of anything worth mentioning. That isn't to say they're bottom tier dps. They are middle--but it takes an absolutely excellent player to make one do high damage.
3. Reapers do nothing to benefit the party other than damage. They do not buff your party, heal, or tank for your party.
That's a fair assessment. You have provide plenty to state your ground. I know about dps meters capabilities. Hell I can't even get one on my computer, yet a lot of people seem to be able to have one. Shinra can't even be downloaded because it is in some strange language I cannot even understand or know what says, and I have never heard of Moongourd till now so thanks.
Ok so my statement on that chart being unreliable is proven false. I can accept that.
Would you mind assisting with a low to high range list yourself. No offense but that just seems like a lot to do at my perspective. I'm wondering if you already have it down by chance?
PS> I know what a reaper is other wise I wouldn't have asked. Everyclass is played often in ways it was not planned to be. I've seen people tank with sorcs ok? lol even priest. I know it sounds crazy but it's true I have.
Now you lost me.
Upload my glyph page?
What do you mean by that? How do I upload a glyph page. I've never heard anyone say that in the forums I've read. I've not even read how to do that in any of EnMasse's post on the website.
If you are talking about Essential Mana I know about that. If you are talking about press k to see my skills descriptions and glyphs I know about that.
Other than that you got me at some unknown information I'm now curious about.
Thank you for being agreeable. I have been playing Tera since launch and do enjoy helping others get the hang of things. What you have to understand is that TERA has no strict dps tier. There are superior classes for sure, but the damage your able to do depends on the dungeon, because mechanics favor some classes over others. For instance, in Wonderholme Slayers were in high demand because Overpower did not get consumed during the Bandersnatch's shield phase, and they were essentially doing 40% more damage than everyone else.
Blue Hole Studio has officially stated that they intend to revamp legacy classes to become on par with the Ninja. This means that revamped classes will absolutely do more damage than non-revamped ones, since they are being matched with Ninja--who does more than non-revamped classes.
Archer is the highest DPS in game. I say this even though Warrior does more dps. The reason Archer is the "highest" dps is because it's the only class with the ability to consistently swap its brooch mid fight, essentially giving archer an extra piece of gear over everyone else. Otherwise, warrior does more damage.
Secondly, or in many other cases Firstly: Warrior. They do the highest damage right now as they are the most recently revamped. I can consistently do 3,000,000 per second or more in Ambush.
Sorcerer is next on this list--revamped not too long ago. Sorcerer is sensitive to boss positioning and mechanics though, but it is still evident that they do far more damage than any class that shows up below it on a tier. A high tier Sorcerer does literally two times the damage of a high tier Slayer.
The rest of the classes under these are the non-revamped. They fluctuate from buffs, bosses, gear, skill, etc. but no matter what they do, they cannot match a high tier revamped class. It's irrelevant to argue who is in a tier over who after Sorc.
Sometime not so soon Slayer will get its revamp and it will be on par with the others.
I hope that now you see the tier list isn't a strict variable. Most people judge it based on RMHM score runs, in which Warriors and Archers are at each other's necks.
Commenting back
1. I know they are not tanks. That's why I asked to bring it to light. We can't deny we see class not built for tanks doing such things recklessly. Maybe that's their fun who knows.
2. Ok so Lower dps compared to the classics now. Ok. That is a good reason. I just remember back when Tensus was BiS they swarmed everywhere,.
3. Fair enough. It's mainly a dps issue then.
2. Ok so Lower dps compared to the classics now. Ok. That is a good reason. I just remember back when Tensus was BiS they swarmed everywhere,.
3. Fair enough. It's mainly a dps issue then.
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By "unable to face-tank endgame content" I mean that they are unable to take more than 1 or 2 hits from a boss in current endgame content. By now I know you're aware they're a low defense, mid damage DPS class. And yes, they should do more damage for the effort people put into them. They're incredibly squishy.
He's telling you that in order to qualify for Moongourd, you have to post everything about your character included your consumables, glyphs, gear, dps meter, party composition, dungeon, boss, etc. It's quite an intensive and detail oriented website. They do good work.
yes but asking if a reaper is a tank is utterly preposterous, it does say 3rd party software is against the tos, but you know what else? it also states en masse reserves the right on interpretation of these rules, there has been long talk of an actual in game dps meter for this reason, not only here in the other tera regions. so then by your definition in your ninja video that means ninjas are also tanks? as you said they rush into the boss, reading a class's skill description if you bothered to tells you what a class brings to a party, which if you did for a reaper you would see dps and dps only, much like a sorc, archer or gunner. have you ever done pvp in tera? i can tell you reapers havent declined there, they are still one of the best pvp classes around. also oyu dont need an updated guide, use the old one and then modify according to the patch note changes on how you think it could work, record and try other stuff. and on that note if a reaper was a dps before brawler patch, and you read the patch notes after that it is quite obvious a reaper is still a dps not a tank.
Yes that makes sense now. Thank you.
I'm sorry but with me you simply have to go into more detail like you have the past couple of post. I'm a detail person. Keeping this just simple does not always help Me out in particular. Basically the more detail I get the more I understand. So thanks for your input on this it helps a lot to understand the state of the reaper.
moongourd.....it has a glyph page for your character, it also shows all your buffs/debuffs, up times, party composition and skill breakdowns....
He probably saw a Reaper with high gear face-tank a mid or low tier dungeon. It happens, the gear difference between Slaughter/Guile and Ambush/Behemoth is huge. I can tank in A-stance warrior on mid-tier dungeons in Ambush.
And we know that DPS meter isn't something the GM's really care to ban people over--only the harrassment or exclusion of others solely over DPS.
I'm here to help. Ask me anything, I've got too many hours in this game not to help someone curious. And yes the state of Reaper is sad. They currently have no point in existing, as Ninja has the same armor and fulfills a very similar role with more dps. Unless you really, really like Reaper, there's no point in playing one.
ninja uses cloth not leather, reaper has its uses in pvp as stated also yes they are low dps compared to revamps but they still do relevant dps its not like they do 100k/s as i have seen people on revamped classes do 90k/s etc.
Sorry--same toughness, not armor type. Reapers and Ninjas can take about the same amount of hits from a hardmode boss. Also, Ninja does about 50% more damage than Reaper when both are skilled.
If you've seen 90k/s on a revamped class they should uninstall. I've literally seen Priests do that much. I've often seen 1.5m/s+ Reapers and 2m/s+ Ninjas.
If you read the rest of my comments you will see I did not ask if a reaper was a tank out of ignorance. I know they are not. I also shared my reason as to why I asked the question. I do not do so out of ignorance other than to point out the obvious that they aren't.
Well if that happens that would be fine. All I know is that it was stated on twitch that it is not allowed. it was also said if you do just don't share your information in chat, you could get reported etc.. That's what I remember atleast and that was during the beginning of the ninja patch I believe. I could be mistake but it was Spacecats that actually said that. So I am going off what he said since he is working for EnMasse which sets those rules and parameters. I hope you are right it will be much helpful to players in building their characters to their own liking.
As far as my video is concerned. I speak on a lot of things based on observations of what people do. Playing the Ninja class helps me understand it's capabilities a bit more. Also helps me understand why people do what they do on the ninja class in particular in dungeons. Which I will soon go into on corralling part 2. The Video specifically besides all the blabbering I did is about the corralling concept which I shown on the video. Not about tanking. Not sure if you understood the video or not but there you have the reason for it.
If you actually read the rest of my comments that are not to you directly you will learn the actual purpose of this thread. I feel you are misunderstanding a few things I am saying. I am not ignorant. I know your are not calling me that at this point. Just know that I am not and I do read on the classes and what they can do but description and guides etc. I am fairly knowledgeable about classes.
At the same time, it has been said not just by me, however, others as well. You can't just go by what you read in the class descriptions as they are translations. Translations can be misinterpreted. They are about as close as possible. All through out the forums, you will read people will argue about what a classes true potential actually is, regardless of what the descriptions read.
I myself have been checked on that very thing focusing only one class description and have been proven to be wrong for focusing only one what I have read in the decription.
In the future when I make my comments I do so not in ignorance, but to be more well informed and discuss the many things of what is said in any format given. I would say more as I see more comments being added as I have been typing this. However, I have an appointment to keep so I will check back later.
Sorry I don't do pvp. Only pve. I am not the person to talk to about pvp content. I'm just not.