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Playing as a Mystic: PICK UP THE HEALS

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  • DigivolveDigivolve ✭✭✭✭
    HAKP4FNNEX wrote: »
    You just need to remember that you are a merciful god, and at times, you need to remind these savages to know their place by letting them die.

    And this merciful god will get kicked and replaced by another for ego tripping before you say cookie.
  • Zosmathyn wrote: »
    I feel. Reminding everyone before every dungeon - PLEASE PICK UP THE MOTES FOR HEALS AND CLEANSE gets tiring pretty quick. Considering we don't have an easy cleanse like priests do :'(

    Yes! And especially the fact that the priests have this huge circle that can stretch across everyone's position.. ;.;
  • Meliriel wrote: »
    That's the life of a mystic on lower levels. Sucks but not much we can do except remind that the red motes are good for you.
    Just chalk it up on stupidity and hope they learn from dying.
    Here's the obligatory video.
    https://youtu.be/2DxS7eT_ky4

    q.q Wow that was amazing XD Thanks for sharing <3
  • What needed to be said has basically already been said. Motes are not a primary heal. It's almost if I used Restorative Burst as my primary heal and got angry if DPS/tank said I was a bad healer. I always like to think that if I can't keep a party alive (even if it is 100% their fault) then I need to improve as a healer. These days I sometimes question how it is I got the IMS party to clear when each and every player gets hit by each and every mechanic...but they still don't die because Mommy took care of them. :3

    Well maybe I made a mistake, then. I DO use the motes a lot on EARLY levels, since until you hit around the 60's, you don't really have a lot of healing options..
  • TWMagimay wrote: »
    Or you could get better at that whole "healing people" thing. Maybe even try priest if mystic healing is too hard for you. Oh, who am I kidding, just blame DPS for not doing your job for you, it's so much easier.

    I have played priest so many times I cannot even count. I've watched many skill videos, and I think I know my mystics pretty well by now. Though, it IS a lot easier to blame other people, now isn't it? ^^



    (I'm just kidding. I do get mad at them, but once you hit higher levels, it's not as big of a deal.)
  • Yamazuki wrote: »
    In terms of mana, there's 0 reason to drop mana motes, Corruption Ring is enough. Also, you can lock on spam heal as a Mystic even at 65 and people won't die. Motes are mostly for the cleanse or emergency heal if a Mystic is far or dead. Although, while leveling a lot of rooms are small and have no mechanics that force you to spread. I've leveled 14 Mystics from 1 to 60~65 and I don't bother using motes other than for myself.

    To be honest, I fully agree with your technique. I use the mana motes for times when I don't have anything else to do, to be quite honest. >.> Thanks for the info! :)
  • Xandervb wrote: »
    As previously said, motes are meant to be an emergency heal. A good mystic who maximizes party DPS is supposed to handle healing with just titanic favor. Yes, it's your only direct heal but it heals for more than 50% HP, has very long range when glyphed and short CD. If you are healing efficiently you are supposed to get your party HP from 0 to 100% in like 5 secs max (1-2 casts). If your DPS can't survive 5 secs without healing it's their fault, if they have to wait longer it's usually mystic. Your endurance debuff lasts >20 secs and you don't need to CR for mana unless you have sorc/fast lancer in your team - so unlike priest you can lock-on every party member before they even lose hp.

    Motes are used mostly for self-cleanse, emergency cleanse, DoT or mechs that prevents you from healing/cleansing the party (LKH stun until you finish CR, RMH pushback).

    Yes, I agree fully. Though what my rant was mostly about what that the Valkyries don't really know how to properly dodge yet, and since one of my mystics is still leveling, I have to use the motes because people can't seem to dodge efficiently and I have to use them more than I should. And right now, I have to deal with the Valkyries a lot because it's a newly released class and people are spamming the character creation with them. So when I play in a party, you have one tank and 3 other Valkyries. (Most who don't know how to efficiently dodge incoming attacks.)

    I do use motes for emergencies, of course, but with the low levels, it becomes a pain because no one really listens when I say; "Please be sure to pick up the heals!" at the start of a dungeon.
  • TWMagimay wrote: »
    Ardire wrote: »
    but they said they have 3 mystics at 65 already too
    i'm confused O.o

    No. I reject any reality in which a lvl 65 mystic thinks motes are a valid way to heal a party. Just....no.

    It is my one mystic seperate to the level 65's, is what I mean. I'm sorry, I was half-asleep and frustrated when I was ranting.. XD
  • XandervbXandervb ✭✭✭
    YNMMLY9M39 wrote: »
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    In terms of mana, there's 0 reason to drop mana motes, Corruption Ring is enough. Also, you can lock on spam heal as a Mystic even at 65 and people won't die. Motes are mostly for the cleanse or emergency heal if a Mystic is far or dead. Although, while leveling a lot of rooms are small and have no mechanics that force you to spread. I've leveled 14 Mystics from 1 to 60~65 and I don't bother using motes other than for myself.

    To be honest, I fully agree with your technique. I use the mana motes for times when I don't have anything else to do, to be quite honest. >.> Thanks for the info! :)

    I believe it's better to just remove mana motes from skill bar. Why?
    1. The DPS may sometimes pick up blue instead of red because they are close to each other -> DPS loss
    2. Some bosses (Molek, Manglemore) may oneshot you if they randomly catch you in animation lock. Avoiding unnecessary animation locks is a good habit to strenghten all the time.
  • ObsObs ✭✭✭
    YNMMLY9M39 wrote: »
    What needed to be said has basically already been said. Motes are not a primary heal. It's almost if I used Restorative Burst as my primary heal and got angry if DPS/tank said I was a bad healer. I always like to think that if I can't keep a party alive (even if it is 100% their fault) then I need to improve as a healer. These days I sometimes question how it is I got the IMS party to clear when each and every player gets hit by each and every mechanic...but they still don't die because Mommy took care of them. :3

    Well maybe I made a mistake, then. I DO use the motes a lot on EARLY levels, since until you hit around the 60's, you don't really have a lot of healing options..

    Why do you even need options? Titanic Favor does everything you need. Locking on to your party should not take more than a couple of seconds if you have decent ping. It easily heals for around half their HP. Motes are almost exclusively for a throwable cleanse.
  • TewiiTewii ✭✭✭
    Sounds like a classic case of Get Good. My lockon crits for 80k. That's more than the piddly 25k worth of healing you get from a mote. Why should I expect my dps to stop what they're doing to heal themselves, when I could do it for them?
  • Tewii wrote: »
    Sounds like a classic case of Get Good. My lockon crits for 80k. That's more than the piddly 25k worth of healing you get from a mote. Why should I expect my dps to stop what they're doing to heal themselves, when I could do it for them?

    Lol I really hate having to say this again and probably annoying you, but I'm at a EARLY level. (Not shouting, just making it clear ^^) Until you get the healing totem and boomerang, you don't have enough options! Titanic favor is one of my main heals. What I was previously ranting about was the fact that if I was in a party with someone, they weren't picking up my motes when they needed to. At early levels.

    It was making me rage so much because I knew in my mind that once I got to the 60's, I wouldn't really have to use those stupid motes anymore. But while leveling, your healing skills such as Titanic Favor aren't all that strong. The mystic that I'm having a problem with is my low level one.

    Thank you for your input, though! It helps me a lot <3
  • Obs wrote: »
    YNMMLY9M39 wrote: »
    What needed to be said has basically already been said. Motes are not a primary heal. It's almost if I used Restorative Burst as my primary heal and got angry if DPS/tank said I was a bad healer. I always like to think that if I can't keep a party alive (even if it is 100% their fault) then I need to improve as a healer. These days I sometimes question how it is I got the IMS party to clear when each and every player gets hit by each and every mechanic...but they still don't die because Mommy took care of them. :3

    Well maybe I made a mistake, then. I DO use the motes a lot on EARLY levels, since until you hit around the 60's, you don't really have a lot of healing options..

    Why do you even need options? Titanic Favor does everything you need. Locking on to your party should not take more than a couple of seconds if you have decent ping. It easily heals for around half their HP. Motes are almost exclusively for a throwable cleanse.

    I need options because I like to be prepared ^^

    That's why playing priest is so easy for me because they have so many AoE heals and everything, and then you play mystic and leveling makes you want to cry :(

    I guess the only solution for me would be to remove the mana motes from my skill bar, and refrain from using the motes unless I have to. This actually has helped me a lot, so thank you for your input! :proud:
  • TewiiTewii ✭✭✭
    YNMMLY9M39 wrote: »
    Tewii wrote: »
    Sounds like a classic case of Get Good. My lockon crits for 80k. That's more than the piddly 25k worth of healing you get from a mote. Why should I expect my dps to stop what they're doing to heal themselves, when I could do it for them?

    Lol I really hate having to say this again and probably annoying you, but I'm at a EARLY level. (Not shouting, just making it clear ^^) Until you get the healing totem and boomerang, you don't have enough options! Titanic favor is one of my main heals. What I was previously ranting about was the fact that if I was in a party with someone, they weren't picking up my motes when they needed to. At early levels.

    It was making me rage so much because I knew in my mind that once I got to the 60's, I wouldn't really have to use those stupid motes anymore. But while leveling, your healing skills such as Titanic Favor aren't all that strong. The mystic that I'm having a problem with is my low level one.

    Thank you for your input, though! It helps me a lot <3

    Stop whining about low level healing then. You're playing with new players who have no idea what their own class does, let alone somebody elses. Even then, damage taken in lower level dungeons is pittance anyways, deal with it.
    If you need more options at a lower level, play a priest.
  • ViauxiViauxi ✭✭✭
    edited April 2017
    I have been playing Mystic for over 4 years. Let me tell you something, straight up. This is a general PSA to everyone as well.
    What separates an okay Mystic from a pro Mystic that everyone wants in their static is how they approach healing. If anyone dies in your party that is solely your responsibility, so own up to it. Period. Don't try to blame it on motes. Even if everyone in your party is hot garbage, if they die, it is your fault. It is not the party's job to pick up your motes or avoid taking damage, but it is YOUR job to make sure they are healthy, no matter what. I'm not saying that every single death is literally your fault, because in reality everyone is at fault to a degree when an error is made. But this is the general mentality you have to have if you want to play this class at a higher level.

    The biggest problems I see with new mystics is they expect people to pick up their motes and rage at the party when people start dying. Placing your motes and hoping for the best is not the proper way to play this class.

    People aren't picking your motes up? So what. Utilize the rest of your kit and do not let them die.
    I generally don't even drop motes most of the time. I know when motes are needed based on the difficulty of the dungeon and the skill level of the people in my party. Technically you will know how much faith I have in the party based on how many motes are lying around. When there is a low margin for error you will see practically none, when there is a high margin for error they will be everywhere. There was a period of time when I stopped using motes completely, and I recommend newer players try playing like this for a little while as well (in EASIER low risk content).

    Why?
    It will develop your healing instinct/reflex. This will show you how well you do at ACTIVELY keeping your team alive.
    When you don't drop motes it forces you to rely on your own ability to heal and removes any scapegoat you can blame if someone in your party dies. If someone takes damage, you heal them. No excuses. Your titanic favor has like a 2 second CD there is literally no reason why it took you 10 seconds to heal someone because you were hoping he would pick up your motes. Honestly the last thing a DPS/TANK is probably worrying about is stopping their rotation to find your motes in the middle of an intense fight.

    Once you build your healing reflex then go ahead and put motes back in your general rotation. You will find that half the time you may even forget to place them and other times you will somehow know when they should be used.
    Same concept with cleanse (which is even more important to be able to do quickly and consistently) don't rely on motes to cleanse your party for you. Ever.

    Keep this in mind:
    Motes are a convenience tool for when sh*t starts to hit the fan (the healer dies, everyone is low health, everyone is CCed, everyone is scattered, etc). When things go south, damn are they helpful and it will likely save the party from a wipe. Motes should only be picked up by you/your party as a last resort. It is an option of recovery that is unique to mystic that the priest doesn't have. They offer a ton of utility, but as many said, don't rely on them to the job for you.
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