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Regarding the Lag

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  • Muggsly wrote: »
    Again you are testing to a different server that you are not sure the route. If you want to properly test do a pathping to the tera gameservers and you will get a more accurate picture. A speedtest to a comcast server in chicago is not telling you anything.

    Again, my point was to give an example of my connection to a location similar to Tera's server. Would you like to provide me with a detailed instructional guide on how to perform a pathping test for the Tempest Reach server IP? I could google it, but you seem very eager to make sure it is done right. I can't tell which is of greater value to you, helping the community get some results from the team responsible for Tera's server stability or moderating other players posts and experiences. I'm not a network specialist, maybe you are. If so, please post something that can help solve the issue.
  • the problem with a pathping is it doesnt check beyond the first router it comes across that blocks icmp. (unless there's a way to force it that i dont know about)
  • edited April 2017
    KentaGrace wrote: »
    . We all know the servers are laggy.

    That is not a fact. Some of us have no lag or technical issues . Nothing in this entire speech proves that is a server side issues you make a g ood speech but really it has about as much substance as reparable rousing propaganda.

    every mmo you go to you see a subset of players who complain about lag / bad optimisation when other players are having no issues at all.

    Before you go making a snowball into an avalanche at leas t have fact ... How many people are activity playing tera and how many are having these issues

    say just for example its only 20% of the entire user base then its most likely not a server issue but a user based and or user isp isuse

    I suspect also that a portion of that number is trying to "squeak by" on minimum spec and sub optimal internet connection -- which is where the optimisation complaints come in.

    i have detailed my entire experience so far as well as my system spec in another thread here

    https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/13238/waves-hi-and-a-few-questions#latest

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    Im probably upgrading to a Geforce GTX 1070/1080

    I also have a consistent 52mb/s internet connection

    So how does that work

    How can I be fine on the same server that is ****supposedly*** broken laggy and poorly optimised for others .

    If you have a factual and logical answer to this question please enlighten me .






  • ObsObs ✭✭✭
    KentaGrace wrote: »
    . We all know the servers are laggy.

    That is not a fact. Some of us have no lag or technical issues . Nothing in this entire speech proves that is a server side issues you make a g ood speech but really it has about as much substance as reparable rousing propaganda.

    every mmo you go to you see a subset of players who complain about lag / bad optimisation when other players are having no issues at all.

    Before you go making a snowball into an avalanche at leas t have fact ... How many people are activity playing tera and how many are having these issues

    say just for example its only 20% of the entire user base then its most likely not a server issue but a user based and or user isp isuse

    I suspect also that a portion of that number is trying to "squeak by" on minimum spec and sub optimal internet connection -- which is where the optimisation complaints come in.

    i have detailed my entire experience so far as well as my system spec in another thread here

    https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/13238/waves-hi-and-a-few-questions#latest

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    (MZ-75E500B/AM), SN
    1 GeForce GTX 970

    Im probably upgrading to a Geforce GTX 1070/1080

    I also have a consistent 52mb/s internet connection

    So how does that work

    How can I be fine on the same server that is ****supposedly*** broken laggy and poorly optimised for others .

    If you have a factual and logical answer to this question please enlighten me .






    I have a 6600k OCed and a 1070. Nothing that's lagging me right now has to do with my hardware. I'm sure that when everyone in a 30 man raid lags/rubberbands from around the continent and even on other continents (EU/Aus) are rubberbanding and are all on different ISPs, then there's something wrong with the servers.

    Here's an example in RM:

    Here's an example in HH: https://clips.twitch.tv/LitigiousFurryScallionNononoCat

    There are also a ton of examples when I was streaming. You could see fire walls rubberbanding, lag during debuff swaps, [filtered], spheres, etc.

  • I think you might be confused, we're talking about server lag here not FPS issues, which is a separate and probably well documented topic. And regarding why you can experience no issues and some of us do, it might have something to do with where you're located in relation to the server, or, as you yourself stated, your inability to find a party to actually do any content. It's pretty evident in dungeons, which, as far as I know, are actually hosted on different servers to the TERA overworld. And considering that, while raiding with players from numerous different locations, all of them complained of or died of a rubber banding or lag induced mechanic at the same time, regardless of their setup or distance to the servers, that something is indeed wrong. Like I said, perhaps it's because you're not doing content where a lag spike is the difference between you living and dying to a mechanic that you're not noticing any lag, but those of us that are actually playing the game are having a difficult time enjoying it.
  • canikizucanikizu ✭✭✭
    edited April 2017
    @LexaShockwave I think you are confusing between lag spike and fps drop. FPS drop is the PC problem and while Tera is poorly optimized, it can still be improved many way. However, lag spike, especially the one from server side, are unavoidable. A lot of people here have been playing Tera for years, they have experienced Tera when it was normal, when it was laggy, etc, we know what we are talking about. Since you just started playing Tera and still are doing low tier dungeon, you might not experience it, or can't tell the difference between them. If one person in the party complain about the lag spike, it might be his pc and his internet acting up, but if almost everybody experiences the lag spike at the same time in same instance, that's server lagspike most likely.

    Let me give you an example, when you kill the bosses in Lilith's Keep, Broken Prison, or Ruined Manor, do you see the bosses' bodies just sat there for like 5, 10 seconds, then suddenly spit out the drops and drop dead unnaturally? If you saw it, then you were experiencing server lag. That kind of thing isn't supposed to happen, yet it happens almost 100% chance.
  • MontblanckMontblanck ✭✭✭
    edited April 2017
    It is pretty much server side, that I am sure of. I play on ~250 ping, so if someone with ping as high as me feels the lag (delays are a part of a high ping gameplay), you know it's real.

    Loots from last bosses drop 5 seconds after they are killed, rubberbanding firewalls/move skills, movement desyncs - it didn't happen so much for me pre-valk patch so I was still having fun even though my ping is relatively terrible.

    Right now it's pretty sad that the first mandatory thing you ask when going online to friends is "how bad is the lag?". There's always this small positive anticipation that the next day you play after you go sleep everything would be better; but it's been almost a week and this game is becoming more and more unplayable because of this.

    What's worse is that EME is playing the silence game, that makes us unsure if they are actually doing something about it, or at least trying to (a simple "hey so this is what's happening" would really be nice), or if even they don't have a clue on what's going on.
  • edited April 2017
    @Obs "Nothing that's lagging me right now has to do with my hardware" yea...of course it isn't .....just like someone saying "well i have no issues with x game ....." that like compering a Toyota with a Ferrari because they are both cars like the example games are each their own unique entity made by different team with different methods, programming styles and cannot factually be compared

    you do not have access to server info and since the is a fact that different people are reporting no issues cannot with 100% certainty make that statement where your particular lag is coming form. yes there s lag ...its not a mystery that lag does indeed exist for some people ... its how many and the cause that is in question.

    @canikizu @KentaGrace [sarcasm] of course i mistaken a fps drop for lag ...this is the very first mmo i have played and I know nothing about how mmo's work or computers in general geeze thanks for clearing that confusion up ....[/sarcasm]

    how much is alot ? " its all over chat" are these unique people bringing up this ? is it the same ones ?

    Lets try another example

    lets say 1 million players play a game and 200 000 complain about lag or poor optimisation .

    is that alot? Sure 200 000 sound like a big number ... not really it is not not when you compare it to 800 000 that are not having any issues

    In reality it is only 20% of the player base and if the tech team is looking at that one could reasonably assume that the fault with the user in some fashion.

    As no player has those numbers No one can say factually that its a "major problem" as far as game or server wide in the general population is concerned

    Also its been said that i may be "closer to the server" that is also not a "server problem" but a user problem its not the "servers"fault you don't live closer to it.

    and lastly " you haven't done enough dungeon" if you read my last post on my other thread i specifically state up and including Lilith which I only did once because I did not find it fun but even in that one i did not have any issues.

    so don't try the "I'm just to new and don't know" the only dungeons cant speak on are broken prison ..and the "hard mode " ones but i wont ever find out because i have no interest in "hard mode"

    But if you whole argument is going to rest on "but hard mode"....well then....shakes head.
  • xvctxvct ✭✭✭
    edited April 2017
    LexaShockwave must not've played the game often enough, long enough, or their class well enough to know how server lag looks like in this game..

    My entire guild of 90+ confirms they're having server lag. My static and I consistently get hit with the server lag at the same time while doing things in dungeons and open world.
  • @LexaShockwave I am the administrator of my network and I know for a fact there are no issues on my end. My friends report to me lag at the same time I get it in tera. It's not a coincidence.
  • edited April 2017
    xvct wrote: »
    LexaShockwave must not've played the game often enough, long enough, or their class well enough to know how server lag looks like in this game..

    My entire guild of 90+ confirms they're having server lag. My static and I consistently get hit with the server lag at the same time while doing things in dungeons and open world.

    " [sarcasm] of course i mistaken a fps drop for lag ...this is the very first mmo i have played and I know nothing about how mmo's work or computers in general geeze thanks for clearing that confusion up ....[/sarcasm]"
    Baldurdash wrote: »
    @LexaShockwave I am the administrator of my network and I know for a fact there are no issues on my end. My friends report to me lag at the same time I get it in tera. It's not a coincidence.

    See all below

    "you do not have access to server info and since the is a fact that different people are reporting no issues cannot with 100% certainty make that statement where your particular lag is coming form. yes there s lag ...its not a mystery that lag does indeed exist for some people ... its how many and the cause that is in question."

    "Lets try another example

    lets say 1 million players play a game and 200 000 complain about lag or poor optimisation .

    is that alot? Sure 200 000 sound like a big number ... not really it is not not when you compare it to 800 000 that are not having any issues

    In reality it is only 20% of the player base and if the tech team is looking at that one could reasonably assume that the fault with the user in some fashion.

    As no player has those numbers No one can say factually that its a "major problem" as far as game or server wide in the general population is concerned "
  • ObsObs ✭✭✭
    xvct wrote: »
    LexaShockwave must not've played the game often enough, long enough, or their class well enough to know how server lag looks like in this game..

    My entire guild of 90+ confirms they're having server lag. My static and I consistently get hit with the server lag at the same time while doing things in dungeons and open world.

    " [sarcasm] of course i mistaken a fps drop for lag ...this is the very first mmo i have played and I know nothing about how mmo's work or computers in general geeze thanks for clearing that confusion up ....[/sarcasm]"
    Baldurdash wrote: »
    @LexaShockwave I am the administrator of my network and I know for a fact there are no issues on my end. My friends report to me lag at the same time I get it in tera. It's not a coincidence.

    See all below

    "you do not have access to server info and since the is a fact that different people are reporting no issues cannot with 100% certainty make that statement where your particular lag is coming form. yes there s lag ...its not a mystery that lag does indeed exist for some people ... its how many and the cause that is in question."

    "Lets try another example

    lets say 1 million players play a game and 200 000 complain about lag or poor optimisation .

    is that alot? Sure 200 000 sound like a big number ... not really it is not not when you compare it to 800 000 that are not having any issues

    In reality it is only 20% of the player base and if the tech team is looking at that one could reasonably assume that the fault with the user in some fashion.

    As no player has those numbers No one can say factually that its a "major problem" as far as game or server wide in the general population is concerned "

    EME has already asked people about the lag and pretty much confirmed that it's happening in this thread: https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/13256/server-lag

    20% of your playerbase having massive lag spikes from around the world on different ISPs is a massive amount. And when it's more than 20%, you have a serious problem. And considering that my entire guild/raid/global is all lagging at once, I doubt it's just a user error.
  • BaldurdashBaldurdash ✭✭✭
    edited April 2017
    @LexaShockwave If friends from across the world are getting lag spikes at the same time one could reasonably assume that it's a problem with the server.

    your response comes off as obnoxious to me.
  • KossplossKossploss ✭✭✭
    lul same troll from tr about no lag , holy [filtered] your trying 2 hard
  • jrtsevenjrtseven ✭✭✭
    EME has been a complete joke since Treeshark + Tonka left, the lack of communication during 4+ months of server lag is unacceptable. Obviously there isn't a simple fix, or else qualified technicians would have fixed it within the first month. However leaving the community to speculate while continuing to hold weekly streaming events is downright pathetic.
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