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Playing as a Mystic: PICK UP THE HEALS

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  • KarmaTheAlligatorKarmaTheAlligator ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let me get this straight

    DPS are a bunch of fucktards (mostly on IM) who cant pause dps for a second and grab one or two motes to get extra healing

    And remember, you are technically a god so if they [filtered] up for not grabbing motes when you are either too far away or they have ONE under their faces, its cause they are dumb as [filtered] and they should delete their DPS

    Or, you could do your job and actually heal them. I mean, if you don't... what are you doing?
  • CatoriiCatorii ✭✭✭
    Motes are really just used for cleansing as far as I've seen. When I'm on DPS alts, I'll pick one up if I'm low on health, but usually don't touch them unless i need the cleanse. Mystics can have a hard time locking on for cleansing sometimes, so I know it helps. Why use them every time you lose a little health when a targeted heal or Boomerang could heal you to full instantly? If you pick them up every time you're not at 100%, you end up in situations where you need a cleanse badly, but there are no motes.

    Also, motes not being used for heals is why mystic parties could quite easily survive Yana's moon buff long enough to kill him - being able to cleanse the debuff when the mystic couldn't cleanse you.

    I've legit never seen an experienced mystic expecting people to pick motes up as a primary source of healing. They're even less significant with the buffed TF amount.
  • SaphirKanzakiSaphirKanzaki ✭✭✭✭
    [..] you are technically a god [..]
    Perhaps you haven't played the last days with the release of the Valkyrie. None of the <65 dungeons (that's what OP is talking about) needs a healer. People are easily running with 5 DPS and die 0-5 times at the hard reworked bosses. This is 50g we're talking about, so practically next to nothing. I was just yesterday running GL, SSG and LoT (LoT with only 4 DPS), and there was no need for a healer or tank.

    Perhaps noone is aware that Tera has to compete against MMOs like BnS or BDO that go completely without the holy trinity - there are no healers or tanks in there. That was one of Tera's weak points, balancing the healing ability. Tera had always a reciproke healing learning curve. Healing in lower dungeons was far more difficult than healing in endgame. Because the tanks and dps learned to migitate, block, iframe only by reaching endgame. So Tera made <65 dungeons easier, you could run them alone, even as it was not intended to. For this, we had the solo mode (actually, the devs did care about balancing somehow). Now they removed the solo mode and reworked the dungeon bosses again.
  • aeee98aeee98 ✭✭✭✭
    There wasn't a solo mode for a very long time ._.
  • ChrisehChriseh ✭✭✭
    If this topic was being discussed (not that it wasn't) 4 years ago, I'd of been inclined to agree with you. HP motes literally aren't our best skill.

    You don't really need to drop HP motes unless they're there to cleanse, you have some time between things or PRIMARILY to heal yourself. Lock-on heals and boomerang are enough to keep your parties HP sustained. Keep in mind your lock on heal was buffed significantly some time ago and the crit rate on all your heals should be fairly high.

    While HP Motes were buffed during DS3 they were also nerfed when Sorcerer patch landed, so their healing potential isn't that great, that aside, picking them up as a DPS/Tank isn't something you're always afforded the chance to do; their job is to DPS and avoid. The only time they should be using a red mote is to cleanse or at an "oh [filtered]!" moment.
  • Clearing the <60 dungeons is definitely doable without a healer but have you been in the IM since the valkyrie patch? I leveled up another priest and the amount of facetanking was even worse than what I remember before. Maybe it was encouraged by the presence of a healer but I seriously doubt it would have ended with less than 5 deaths across the party. There are new and/ or returning players in the mix too that know very little. For a true new player 10 gold at the time of BoL is a big slice of their wealth.

    I'm not convinced that the hybrid class mix is better in any way. Maybe it's just a personal opinion but without a clear and definite role everyone needs to keep an eye on everything and it turns into a great mess. The roles are there for a reason.

    I can see the point of having a difficult start for healing. The dungeons themselves aren't that hard but people don't know when to or don't care to dodge. It's slightly better at early 65 dungeons but then you get more dungeon mechanics to compensate so the change in difficulty isn't that great.
  • SaphirKanzakiSaphirKanzaki ✭✭✭✭
    Meliriel wrote: »
    facetanking was even worse than what I remember before. Maybe it was encouraged by the presence of a healer
    ;) So it is
  • You think that is bad? I played with a Priest who was using SPACEBAR, don't get me wrong, some times chain skills are good... but he wasted like 5 spells in a row every time he casted Regen Circle, he was too afraid to go use Healing Circle but not to use Metamorphic Blast and when tank died and asked to ress, he didn't know priest has a Ress skill.
  • voidyvoidy ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2017
    Meliriel wrote: »
    Clearing the <60 dungeons is definitely doable without a healer but have you been in the IM since the valkyrie patch? I leveled up another priest and the amount of facetanking was even worse than what I remember before. Maybe it was encouraged by the presence of a healer but I seriously doubt it would have ended with less than 5 deaths across the party.

    I experienced this as well. Leveled a mystic during the valk craze and HATED it. There were never any tanks in the leveling queues (incidentally I'd made one, but was stuck waiting so long for a healer that I went and made the mystic instead; then the ims system queued without a tank) so I'd end up in groups with four valks, all facetanking so much that I'd heal them hard enough to rip aggro from the boss. Then I'm stuck running in circles while these FOUR VALKS struggle to peel it off me. Once they do, it's business as usual with them taking every hit right to the face and losing a massive chunk of their HP. I heal them again, get aggro again. Whole situation could've been improved if they just dodged, or opted to pick up motes while they facetanked since the things were literally at their feet and would've allowed me to heal less and get aggro less.

    Wouldn't even be so bad, except now these dungeons take like 45 minutes for a group of newbie IMS players. I stopped after a couple of hours, just didn't have the patience for it. I wouldn't be surprised if we see way less healers in the future because of this sort of thing.
  • ViauxiViauxi ✭✭✭
    edited April 2017
    Let me get this straight

    DPS are a bunch of fucktards (mostly on IM) who cant pause dps for a second and grab one or two motes to get extra healing

    And remember, you are technically a god so if they [filtered] up for not grabbing motes when you are either too far away or they have ONE under their faces, its cause they are dumb as [filtered] and they should delete their DPS

    General PSA again:
    You see, this is how you should NOT think as a healer. The DPS aren't "fucktards". They are new players. They are inexperienced players. They are experienced players who may have cold hands that day. They are just like you. They are probably way more skilled than you outside of your encounter with them. The fact that you think you are somehow superior than everyone else is the sole reason why there exists so much toxicity and is why many people can't even fathom the idea of improving their own play. If you begin to get an attitude and get toxic by flaming, not healing, then be sure the reason the party wiped or fell apart is 100% your fault, because you have completely (and willfully) failed to fulfill your role's function. But you are probably too much of an airhead to see that.

    And about the superiority complex, stop saying you are a "god". You ain't s**t, you here me? You chose the support role, and people invited you to the party with the expectation that you will try your best to support them. Yes, you have a lot of power in your kit. You know who else has a lot of power? Cops in real life. But just like them, you are easily expendable. You are nothing with out the dps killing the boss for you. You are nothing without the tank keeping you alive. You are nothing without the trinity. There are a thousand other healers that can/want to replace you at any moment and carry that party you labeled "trap" to victory, simply because they play with a more grounded and humble mentality than an you had. I would love to insta-kick any pure egolords in my parties, doesn't matter if its tank/dps/healer. I don't tolerate people like that at all. But unfortunately this Tera's party system is pure carebear cancer so I've learned to deal with it, at least in this game.

    And for the record my favorite parties are pugs because you never know what you will get, its really fun to challenge yourself with a dynamic group of players. It goes without saying running with a static is.....static.

    And the reason I used your comment is because yours was the easiest to make and example out of. Nothing personal.
  • Viauxi wrote: »
    Let me get this straight

    DPS are a bunch of fucktards (mostly on IM) who cant pause dps for a second and grab one or two motes to get extra healing

    And remember, you are technically a god so if they [filtered] up for not grabbing motes when you are either too far away or they have ONE under their faces, its cause they are dumb as [filtered] and they should delete their DPS

    General PSA again:
    You see, this is how you should NOT think as a healer. The DPS aren't "fucktards". They are new players. They are inexperienced players. They are experienced players who may have cold hands that day. They are just like you. They are probably way more skilled than you outside of your encounter with them. The fact that you think you are somehow superior than everyone else is the sole reason why there exists so much toxicity and is why many people can't even fathom the idea of improving their own play. If you begin to get an attitude and get toxic by flaming, not healing, then be sure the reason the party wiped or fell apart is 100% your fault, because you have completely (and willfully) failed to fulfill your role's function. But you are probably too much of an airhead to see that.

    And about the superiority complex, stop saying you are a "god". You ain't s**t, you here me? You chose the support role, and people invited you to the party with the expectation that you will try your best to support them. Yes, you have a lot of power in your kit. You know who else has a lot of power? Cops in real life. But just like them, you are easily expendable. You are nothing with out the dps killing the boss for you. You are nothing without the tank keeping you alive. You are nothing without the trinity. There are a thousand other healers that can/want to replace you at any moment and carry that party you labeled "trap" to victory, simply because they play with a more grounded and humble mentality than an you had. I would love to insta-kick any pure egolords in my parties, doesn't matter if its tank/dps/healer. I don't tolerate people like that at all. But unfortunately this Tera's party system is pure carebear cancer so I've learned to deal with it, at least in this game.

    And for the record my favorite parties are pugs because you never know what you will get, its really fun to challenge yourself with a dynamic group of players. It goes without saying running with a static is.....static.

    And the reason I used your comment is because yours was the easiest to make and example out of. Nothing personal.

    Then how should healers think then? You're basically saying healers are nothing...Every tank/dps are basically like everything you just said in your first paragraph. Dps are nothing without us healing them so they can kill the bosses? It can go both ways.
  • TWMagimayTWMagimay ✭✭✭✭✭
    Viauxi wrote: »
    They are experienced players who may have cold hands that day.

    And a dog ate your homework, right?

    He is wrong though, but not for the reasons you think. DPS should not be expected to pick up a mote(with the exception of specific mechanics in certain fights that are quite rare), regardless of how skilled or unskilled they are. Because it's -always- a dps loss. Egotripping when you are so bad, you can't direct heal a party makes you, well, you know the word.

  • ViauxiViauxi ✭✭✭
    edited April 2017
    FaytEsteem wrote: »

    Then how should healers think then? You're basically saying healers are nothing...Every tank/dps are basically like everything you just said in your first paragraph. Dps are nothing without us healing them so they can kill the bosses? It can go both ways.

    I just told you how to think. Humble yourself and take some responsibility for failure. Understand your place in the machine. If one part of the machine breaks, then the machine is no more. So all parts are equal and important.

    You are nothing if the DPS weren't literally doing the dungeon for you.
    You are nothing if the tank isn't literally keeping the boss from murking you every 2 seconds.
    You are nothing without the Trinity and this is the reality of the Trinity.

    Know your role, you are not as high and mighty as you think "just because" you are a some healer class. What, you want a cookie for that brah? I see people who play support roles in countless games always put themselves on a high horse like they are a special snowflake, when lets be perfectly honest here, you aren't really doing much to clear the content, you are SUPPORTING the people who ARE clearing the content FOR you. But they very likely can't clear the con'tent WITHOUT support, hence the trinity.

    Yes, this concept applies to all roles, that is my point, this is why I said it was a general PSA. Everyone in the party is equal and serves a crucial function in clearing the game's group content, so stop being a little egolord thinking your role is "so much more important therefore I can be an [filtered] or shot caller." Grow up. You are not that important, and if your team collectively decides to, they can easily replace you with someone who will preform better or be less toxic, just like they would do a tank, just like they would do the DPS.
  • YamazukiYamazuki ✭✭✭✭✭
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Then how should healers think then? You're basically saying healers are nothing...Every tank/dps are basically like everything you just said in your first paragraph. Dps are nothing without us healing them so they can kill the bosses? It can go both ways.
    They could think they're equal to a dps and tank, rather than above them. I honestly don't know where the mentality of Healers>>>>>tanks>>>>trash>>>>>>>dps came from. It doesn't matter if you have a healer if you have 0 dps, have fun taking 5 days to kill bosses because of your ego. Anyways, at level 65 if we're going to talk about what is needed more, healers for the last year or more have been just as replaceable as dps.
  • HwasaHwasa ✭✭
    It's funny to see this kind of post...

    I just started playing TERA again. When I first joined years ago I read about how Mystics weren't loved/appreciated as much as Priest and how Priest were the true healers of TERA. So that made me wanna play Mystics - to play something different, and i totally loved them!

    Fast forward to now, I'm back and currently leveling my Valk. While leveling my healers in my dungeon runs have overwhelmingly been Mystics, and they've all done a great job.
    The worst healers I've had, have been priest........especially when it comes to the dispells. I was wondering if they buffed mystics or something since I have been seeing SO MANY while leveling my valk.

    I look forward to getting back to my mystic and finally getting it to lvl 65.
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