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5th anniversary date?

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  • metagamemetagame ✭✭✭✭
    tar ruined the economy far more than mongos
  • sanj66sanj66 ✭✭✭✭
    HAKP4FNNEX wrote: »
    Otso wrote: »
    HAKP4FNNEX wrote: »
    Xuekao wrote: »
    yeah, Spacecats is proving to be by far the best community manager i have seen in a long time for online games. keep up the great work!

    I guess you were not around when Tonka was CM, or played many games that have CMs.
    As much people loved Tonka and so on, you guys should atleast give Spacecats a chance, instead being overly negative for his every effort.
    I for one look foward to what they have planned, it is intresting to see how this game has changed in the past 5 years since the first beta's.
    edit: fixed typos

    I think Tonka also played TERA. He wasn't introduced as someone who has multiple level 65's, high gear score, done many of the dungeons by the previous CM. To not even know how to play Reaper or basic mechanics in Tera. Now apparently Spacecats put some [email protected] in one of the lowbe areas that would kill them over and over.

    This is off-topic, but you're wearing rose-colored glasses a bit. The previous CM started his employment with EME as a tester before he moved to a CM role. So sure, he had played TERA -- because he had been paid to do that originally. He also had the support of two other people just focused on TERA at the time, so he has more opportunity to focus on playing TERA during working hours. The current CM came in straight to the role as the only one to focus on TERA (and shortly after became the entire team even beyond TERA), and never made any claims about being a great player (see their intro thread). Due to circumstances, they never had any time before they were thrown right in the deep end. And the issue with the current incident was fully addressed. It's not as if there were never any issues or controversies with the previous team either.

    I think it's not fair to either the previous team or the current team to compare them. They all tried their best to do what they could within the constraints they were given, and have different personalities and styles. Bringing this up whenever something happens is just an attempt to further poison the well without considering the very different circumstances involved. Ultimately it solves nothing.

    yes but making little to no effort to actually learn the game or about the game is quite ridiculous, if you dont bother to do that how can you actually help the game or understand how or what to do to promote it or make it more worthwhile?
  • edited April 2017
    " another issue is the unrealistic requests".....is having a crafting system again that matters being unrealistic, or bringing back cs to level 30 and above again being unrealistic, balancing classes? I know some of us want a legacy server, that's not unrealistic, but its something they aren't willing to do for whatever reason. how about adding content into the game like bdo has, stuff that doesn't have you grinding the same thing everyday, like player housing, fishing, maybe even travel across the oceans. how about removing all the invisible walls and ceiling limits now that we can fly to places and explore. what about alliance territories. even if they don't bring back alliances, couldn't we keep it to where we would have things to do there again? even if its just gathering noctenium stuff and crafting those aromors and weapons again? even better, how about the player council posting weekly on the things they actually do talk to eme staff about and let us know the results. I have never seen a post by player council telling us about their meetings with eme or what they actually do and how and what things were talked about.
    im not trying to be a troll or anything, but the comment about unrealistic requests really got me wondering what are these requests.

    Every single one of those requests is unrealistic because these are not things that EME can change. Even if you bring it up to EME, all they can do is tell BHS "hey, our players are requesting this". And then BHS will pool our requests with the requests from every other market around the world, prioritize everything, and make/modify their project plan for the next 9 to 12+ months, keeping in mind that they already do have a general plan for the things they're planning to do regardless.


    Crafting system: It's way above EME to really fix this. BHS has to re-imagine the whole system to fix all its flaws.

    CS back to level 30: The BG layout is shared the world over now, so the only way would be for all the global markets to agree that's what they want, and for BHS to agree.

    Balancing classes: They're working on balancing classes all the time, but they're not going to do a special balance just for us.

    Legacy server: It actually is entirely unrealistic because of the amount of work that would be involved to create a new build that rolls the clock back to a previous version while maintaining compatibility with their upgraded infrastructure. It's something that it's actually easier for hackers to do because they don't have to worry as much about either a) what they break in the process, or b) the cost of on-going support.

    Housing/Fishing/Ship Travel: If these sort of things are on the agenda, who knows how high they are on the priority list. At this phase I would venture to guess that, at least until they get the console port out and see how that goes, they will be in a holding pattern for major new investments.

    Removing walls/ceilings: They blocked this out because of map glitches and imperfections (and the construct of the world itself), so it'd take a lot of work to actually go through and fully fix everything. It's probably not high on the priority list.

    Alliance territories: It's possible that BHS has future plans for alliance content, but it'd be on the roadmap and is again a question of priorities. As with some of the rest, all you could do is express interest.


    EME is just a publisher for TERA. They are just one stakeholder of many around the world, and can't make decisions about what happens to the game. The things they can directly influence (to some degree) are: events, cash shop, and certain reward systems/merchants. They spend most of their time trying to keep the ship functioning, trying to stay above what the problems/issues are so they can pass them along to the people who can potentially fix them, and preparing for the new builds that BHS provides them to make sure they're compatible with their various backend systems, that the localization was integrated properly, and that needed customizations aren't broken. Their job is to try to do what they can to enhance the game and keep it interesting for the community, but they have no authority over the game's overall global direction, strategy, or feature roadmap.

    So if the Player Council spent our time harping about the sorts of issues you're talking about, we'd have no different response than you would get: silence. The only thing EME could do is pass it onto BHS. And then, if some day BHS decides to do something with that idea, you'll hear about it when it starts coming to K-TERA. EME isn't going to give us the inside scoop of what's coming to K-TERA before they know. Because of all this, spending too much time focusing on these sorts of "big change" ideas is more likely to be tuned out; it's many layers removed from the work EME actually does (even if it's central to everyone's experience playing the game).


    So anyway, I think sometimes people have a romantic idea of what the Player Council is and what the Player Council should be able to do. It's an sounding board for the community team to help elevate player feedback to the local project managers, basically so they're less likely to miss important points from the forums, social media, or in-game. Sometimes they can be a sounding board for event ideas if EME asks, and sometimes they contribute some event ideas that EME may or may not take or modify. But it's definitely not an inner circle with direct access to influence the game. For people with those sorts of expectations, I think the "meeting minutes" would be disappointing.
  • sanj66sanj66 ✭✭✭✭
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    HAKP4FNNEX wrote: »
    Xuekao wrote: »
    yeah, Spacecats is proving to be by far the best community manager i have seen in a long time for online games. keep up the great work!

    I guess you were not around when Tonka was CM, or played many games that have CMs.

    He had a pretty big advantage over Spacecats given he had additional help to do his job and still made just as many mistakes, they were just different mistakes. There also wasn't much interaction from them on forums back then either. In the end, neither of them are working for EME now and people should just move on from the old times. Spacecats may not be perfect, but neither were they.

    neither was but he is considerably worse.........
  • I got to meat new players as well

    This 5th anniversary thing may be more exciting than I previously thought. :awesome:

  • CatservantCatservant ✭✭✭✭
    sanj66 wrote: »
    Otso wrote: »
    HAKP4FNNEX wrote: »
    Xuekao wrote: »
    yeah, Spacecats is proving to be by far the best community manager i have seen in a long time for online games. keep up the great work!

    I guess you were not around when Tonka was CM, or played many games that have CMs.
    As much people loved Tonka and so on, you guys should atleast give Spacecats a chance, instead being overly negative for his every effort.
    I for one look foward to what they have planned, it is intresting to see how this game has changed in the past 5 years since the first beta's.
    edit: fixed typos

    the past year or so has proven otherwise my friend, singlehandedly destroying the economy with broken events, then making worthless events, being bias towards specific players etc, i think enough chances have been had already.

    I'm sorry you feel that way. I disagree about the economy, I think it was artificially inflated before and is just fine, now. Cheaper to enchant means more people trying, means more people doing end-game, right?

    And I haven't seen a worthless event--not sure what that would mean, objectively speaking. And bias toward specific players? This is the first I've heard of this accusation--not being snide, just ignorant. Can you point me toward a thread so I can judge for myself?

    Even the Easter event was a happy little no-stress killing spree extra as I levelled over Easter weekend. And now I can emote stars, ? and ! for a year. One of the things I love BEST since Spacecats came is how alive and fun everything seems again. I didn't have that after Tonka left.

    I get that the game probably isn't doing what you wish it were, and you might be angry and frustrated at what must seem a terrible waste of potential. So am I sometimes.

    But seriously, which events were worthless, and can you drop a hint about the bias thing? A keyword?
  • VenpaiVenpai ✭✭✭
    metagame wrote: »
    tar ruined the economy far more than mongos

    those were simpler days.
  • Going simple by what has been happening, its not that surprising. to what @Yamazuki commented on about the long picture. EME really cant do anything concerning long picture. In the end its what BHS wants. So short term fixes is all they can do. If they want to or not. To those unsatisfied by it, there really is no place to vent frustration beside the forums. Personally Im fine with w/e happens, id just like this server sided lagg to stop. Its been the cause of alot of angry moments.
  • sanj66 wrote: »
    HAKP4FNNEX wrote: »
    Otso wrote: »
    HAKP4FNNEX wrote: »
    Xuekao wrote: »
    yeah, Spacecats is proving to be by far the best community manager i have seen in a long time for online games. keep up the great work!

    I guess you were not around when Tonka was CM, or played many games that have CMs.
    As much people loved Tonka and so on, you guys should atleast give Spacecats a chance, instead being overly negative for his every effort.
    I for one look foward to what they have planned, it is intresting to see how this game has changed in the past 5 years since the first beta's.
    edit: fixed typos

    I think Tonka also played TERA. He wasn't introduced as someone who has multiple level 65's, high gear score, done many of the dungeons by the previous CM. To not even know how to play Reaper or basic mechanics in Tera. Now apparently Spacecats put some [email protected] in one of the lowbe areas that would kill them over and over.

    This is off-topic, but you're wearing rose-colored glasses a bit. The previous CM started his employment with EME as a tester before he moved to a CM role. So sure, he had played TERA -- because he had been paid to do that originally. He also had the support of two other people just focused on TERA at the time, so he has more opportunity to focus on playing TERA during working hours. The current CM came in straight to the role as the only one to focus on TERA (and shortly after became the entire team even beyond TERA), and never made any claims about being a great player (see their intro thread). Due to circumstances, they never had any time before they were thrown right in the deep end. And the issue with the current incident was fully addressed. It's not as if there were never any issues or controversies with the previous team either.

    I think it's not fair to either the previous team or the current team to compare them. They all tried their best to do what they could within the constraints they were given, and have different personalities and styles. Bringing this up whenever something happens is just an attempt to further poison the well without considering the very different circumstances involved. Ultimately it solves nothing.

    yes but making little to no effort to actually learn the game or about the game is quite ridiculous, if you dont bother to do that how can you actually help the game or understand how or what to do to promote it or make it more worthwhile?

    Your assumption that they're making "little to no effort to actually learn the game or about the game" is factually incorrect.

    You're also assuming that everyone who has "learned the game" would all agree on what to do. Let me tell you, the group of us in Player Council collectively represent decades of playing the game, and we don't all agree on what to do by any means. I'm sure it'll be no different when the new batch of recruits join.

    That isn't to say there haven't been mistakes, some of which I feel could have been prevented (which I usually think is due to rushing and lack of time to get input more than anything else). This was a problem in the old days too, incidentally. But it's not like you "git gud" and then all of a sudden the Right Answers come to you in a vision. This forum is nothing but arguments.

    In the end, everyone tries their best given the constraints they are under.
  • allofspaceandtimeallofspaceandtime ✭✭✭✭✭
    sanj66 wrote: »
    HAKP4FNNEX wrote: »
    Otso wrote: »
    HAKP4FNNEX wrote: »
    Xuekao wrote: »
    yeah, Spacecats is proving to be by far the best community manager i have seen in a long time for online games. keep up the great work!

    I guess you were not around when Tonka was CM, or played many games that have CMs.
    As much people loved Tonka and so on, you guys should atleast give Spacecats a chance, instead being overly negative for his every effort.
    I for one look foward to what they have planned, it is intresting to see how this game has changed in the past 5 years since the first beta's.
    edit: fixed typos

    I think Tonka also played TERA. He wasn't introduced as someone who has multiple level 65's, high gear score, done many of the dungeons by the previous CM. To not even know how to play Reaper or basic mechanics in Tera. Now apparently Spacecats put some [email protected] in one of the lowbe areas that would kill them over and over.

    This is off-topic, but you're wearing rose-colored glasses a bit. The previous CM started his employment with EME as a tester before he moved to a CM role. So sure, he had played TERA -- because he had been paid to do that originally. He also had the support of two other people just focused on TERA at the time, so he has more opportunity to focus on playing TERA during working hours. The current CM came in straight to the role as the only one to focus on TERA (and shortly after became the entire team even beyond TERA), and never made any claims about being a great player (see their intro thread). Due to circumstances, they never had any time before they were thrown right in the deep end. And the issue with the current incident was fully addressed. It's not as if there were never any issues or controversies with the previous team either.

    I think it's not fair to either the previous team or the current team to compare them. They all tried their best to do what they could within the constraints they were given, and have different personalities and styles. Bringing this up whenever something happens is just an attempt to further poison the well without considering the very different circumstances involved. Ultimately it solves nothing.

    yes but making little to no effort to actually learn the game or about the game is quite ridiculous, if you dont bother to do that how can you actually help the game or understand how or what to do to promote it or make it more worthwhile?

    Your assumption that they're making "little to no effort to actually learn the game or about the game" is factually incorrect.

    You're also assuming that everyone who has "learned the game" would all agree on what to do. Let me tell you, the group of us in Player Council collectively represent decades of playing the game, and we don't all agree on what to do by any means. I'm sure it'll be no different when the new batch of recruits join.

    That isn't to say there haven't been mistakes, some of which I feel could have been prevented (which I usually think is due to rushing and lack of time to get input more than anything else). This was a problem in the old days too, incidentally. But it's not like you "git gud" and then all of a sudden the Right Answers come to you in a vision. This forum is nothing but arguments.

    In the end, everyone tries their best given the constraints they are under.

    also sometimes its really hard to understand the context of what someone is trying to say due to it being typed and not actually spoken. so sometimes what looks one way in text sounds totally different than what the person is really trying to say and may come off as being mean. I just would like to know what are eme's limitations and what they have the power to actually do and cannot do. then once we know that, then I feel like we wouldn't expect things that would be otherwise considered unrealistic to the ones that do know. the reason why some of us get upset at times is because we see the potential tera has and how many games are trying to copy tera but cant. we don't want to see tera end anytime soon. I would like to be here for the 10th anniversary.
  • sanj66 wrote: »
    HAKP4FNNEX wrote: »
    Otso wrote: »
    HAKP4FNNEX wrote: »
    Xuekao wrote: »
    yeah, Spacecats is proving to be by far the best community manager i have seen in a long time for online games. keep up the great work!

    I guess you were not around when Tonka was CM, or played many games that have CMs.
    As much people loved Tonka and so on, you guys should atleast give Spacecats a chance, instead being overly negative for his every effort.
    I for one look foward to what they have planned, it is intresting to see how this game has changed in the past 5 years since the first beta's.
    edit: fixed typos

    I think Tonka also played TERA. He wasn't introduced as someone who has multiple level 65's, high gear score, done many of the dungeons by the previous CM. To not even know how to play Reaper or basic mechanics in Tera. Now apparently Spacecats put some [email protected] in one of the lowbe areas that would kill them over and over.

    This is off-topic, but you're wearing rose-colored glasses a bit. The previous CM started his employment with EME as a tester before he moved to a CM role. So sure, he had played TERA -- because he had been paid to do that originally. He also had the support of two other people just focused on TERA at the time, so he has more opportunity to focus on playing TERA during working hours. The current CM came in straight to the role as the only one to focus on TERA (and shortly after became the entire team even beyond TERA), and never made any claims about being a great player (see their intro thread). Due to circumstances, they never had any time before they were thrown right in the deep end. And the issue with the current incident was fully addressed. It's not as if there were never any issues or controversies with the previous team either.

    I think it's not fair to either the previous team or the current team to compare them. They all tried their best to do what they could within the constraints they were given, and have different personalities and styles. Bringing this up whenever something happens is just an attempt to further poison the well without considering the very different circumstances involved. Ultimately it solves nothing.

    yes but making little to no effort to actually learn the game or about the game is quite ridiculous, if you dont bother to do that how can you actually help the game or understand how or what to do to promote it or make it more worthwhile?

    Your assumption that they're making "little to no effort to actually learn the game or about the game" is factually incorrect.

    You're also assuming that everyone who has "learned the game" would all agree on what to do. Let me tell you, the group of us in Player Council collectively represent decades of playing the game, and we don't all agree on what to do by any means. I'm sure it'll be no different when the new batch of recruits join.

    That isn't to say there haven't been mistakes, some of which I feel could have been prevented (which I usually think is due to rushing and lack of time to get input more than anything else). This was a problem in the old days too, incidentally. But it's not like you "git gud" and then all of a sudden the Right Answers come to you in a vision. This forum is nothing but arguments.

    In the end, everyone tries their best given the constraints they are under.

    also sometimes its really hard to understand the context of what someone is trying to say due to it being typed and not actually spoken. so sometimes what looks one way in text sounds totally different than what the person is really trying to say and may come off as being mean. I just would like to know what are eme's limitations and what they have the power to actually do and cannot do. then once we know that, then I feel like we wouldn't expect things that would be otherwise considered unrealistic to the ones that do know. the reason why some of us get upset at times is because we see the potential tera has and how many games are trying to copy tera but cant. we don't want to see tera end anytime soon. I would like to be here for the 10th anniversary.

    No disagreement about any of that. I think we all want it to survive -- including EME, since it's still a lot of their income, I'm sure. But at the end of the day, TERA is a small fish trying to survive in a giant sea with huge predators. It's not going to be an easy life. I do think clearer understanding of the limitations/boundaries will help everyone have better expectations for what is realistic and what's not, and then focus more on achievable milestones. Then hopefully we'll see some small victories rather than what seems like a mountain of defeats.
  • allofspaceandtimeallofspaceandtime ✭✭✭✭✭


    No disagreement about any of that. I think we all want it to survive -- including EME, since it's still a lot of their income, I'm sure. But at the end of the day, TERA is a small fish trying to survive in a giant sea with huge predators. It's not going to be an easy life. I do think clearer understanding of the limitations/boundaries will help everyone have better expectations for what is realistic and what's not, and then focus more on achievable milestones. Then hopefully we'll see some small victories rather than what seems like a mountain of defeats.[/quote]

    you pretty much said it exactly how I wanted to lol.
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