[TERA PC & Console] En Masse is closing, but TERA lives on! We will continue to support TERA PC (NA) and TERA Console until service is transferred. Stay tuned for more information.
[TERA Console] The Grotto of Lost Souls update (v85) is now live! Read the patch notes here: https://bit.ly/TERACon_v85

[TERA PC] The 64-bit update (v97) is now live. Check out all the changes delivered on August 11 here: https://bit.ly/tera64_patchnotes
[TERA PC & CONSOLE] Summerfest Part 2: The Beach Bash is on from August 11 until September 1! Participate in event activities to earn tokens redeemable for costumes, consumables, mounts, and more! Details: https://bit.ly/tera_sf20

why zayo is awful and why savvis is better, and why they need to switch back

24567

Comments

  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fezoh wrote: »
    for one simple reply to the retards who are saying "its ur location and the isp!!!!", one, shut the [filtered] up, its not. its their AWFUL routing, if you read the post i have perfect internet everywhere else, zayo's routing is awful for the majority of the player base. and yes 100 percent increase in my ping is awful. i can still pvp, but against lower ping players, its impossible to get out of certain combos, impossible to do certain combos, etc.... my isp cant change the routing to zayo, if you think that then you are [filtered]. any isp in texas it'll do the same thing. my isp is the BEST in the entire us, my internet is better than 98 percent of ppl in the US. you are a moron if you think its anything related to my end. zayo is trash.

    Unfortunately for You there is not a gray zone to make all player from NA gets the same ping. You are only showing that you lack knowlegde about it.

    There are some games (those who have massive amount of players) that have NA East Coast Servers and NA Pacific Server becuase those cant get the same ping with a server located in one place.

    Just to tell you this, NA LoL players from East Coast are migrating to LAN servers becuase they have better ping there instead of complaining to Riot about their ping on their NA Server. That problem is not something EME can solve without making the servers per zone and not per names like there are at the moment. However the player base need to grow more so that can be a solution they can afford $$.

    By now you are the only one who can do something, you already told us that your ISP don't care about you and wont make your ping on servers from the East be better, then use a VPN ^^
  • YamazukiYamazuki ✭✭✭✭✭
    Catorii wrote: »
    Xristosx wrote: »
    Use a vpn, it'll fix your issues in no time.

    Everyone complaining that they(the player) have no power to fix it, they can with a vpn. Try one out.

    Yeah, the solution to EME screwing us over is to pay a subscription for a free game on top of the free game's subscription.

    ...yeah, okay. I have 40-60 ping when it's stable. I shouldn't have to use a VPN to not get lagspikes to 1-2k ping.
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    Catorii wrote: »
    There's literally nothing we can do user-end to improve our connection through Zayo.
    There actually is a lot you can do, especially if you're American. Here's a hint, it's doing more than complaining on a gaming forum to a publisher that has literally 0 power in the business/political world. EME isn't the only who had to deal with this, and unfortunately other smaller games eventually died over it with really only the larger ones surviving because they have money to throw at the problem.

    Pray tell how we can magically fix this. I'm pretty sure if it was fixable without paying for a VPN, people would've found the answer 8 months ago.

    People do know the answer, and it's why I brought up politics. Do you think Korea and some other countries has superior infrastructure for no reason? While the smaller size helps, even if they had as much land they wouldn't have half the issues we do. However, why do anything about it when you can just yell at someone else?
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fezoh wrote: »
    http://imgur.com/b39uShq

    if you needed any proof of how [filtered] awful the routing is for zayo.............. here you go, literally 50 percent better with wtfast

    Thanks for showing us proof that is not a problem from EME and Sayo but your routing ^^
  • ShikineShikine ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2017
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Fezoh wrote: »
    http://imgur.com/b39uShq

    if you needed any proof of how [filtered] awful the routing is for zayo.............. here you go, literally 50 percent better with wtfast

    Thanks for showing us proof that is not a problem from EME and Sayo but your routing ^^

    I clearly don't understand you point, so I would like you to explain a bit more.

    A change in EME's service provider causes double their ping overnight.
    How is that connected to the players ISP? :dizzy:
  • FezohFezoh ✭✭
    Shikine wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Fezoh wrote: »
    http://imgur.com/b39uShq

    if you needed any proof of how [filtered] awful the routing is for zayo.............. here you go, literally 50 percent better with wtfast

    Thanks for showing us proof that is not a problem from EME and Sayo but your routing ^^

    I clearly don't understand you point, so I would like you to explain a bit more.

    A change in EME's service provider causes double their ping overnight.
    How is that connected to the players ISP? :dizzy:
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Fezoh wrote: »
    http://imgur.com/b39uShq

    if you needed any proof of how [filtered] awful the routing is for zayo.............. here you go, literally 50 percent better with wtfast

    Thanks for showing us proof that is not a problem from EME and Sayo but your routing ^^

    just dont reply to him he is a [filtered] [filtered]
  • feazesherofeazeshero ✭✭✭
    edited April 2017
    I think if you guys remember what occurred last year during pre-nerf ninja patch, majority of the player base experienced a lot of this same lag and the change was made to savvis later on, which turned out to be better for most.

    I have people that I know who play this game both in US and outside of US, all experiencing this same issue since the valkyrie patch and also this past weekend. If you're one of those people not experiencing it, then you're maybe very lucky but to have majority of the player base have this problem is a big sign of something is clearly a problem. A change in service provider has made the lag much more noticeable than it was before.

    This is my tracert I ran last night and usually this is the result I normally get:
    gLlBf6a.jpg

    But just like everyone else, there seems to be a 1-3 seconds spike occurring at random times. Everytime I log in for the past few weeks, I'm always expecting a lag spike and yes it does occur. Like when I did 12 runs in ghillieglade per day on my lancer during this weekend, each run had at least one or two spikes.

    Edit: My in game ping (about 25-40ms avg) is about the same as it was with Savvis. I been used to playing with this ping for 2 years in Tera and when it jumps to somewhere like 100-300 ms for few seconds, it really changes the dynamic that I am used to. It's really frustrating to hear people say,"oh it's okay the game still playable at 150-200 ping or something". It may be manageable but when you play a ping dependent class (like lancer) and used to a certain game play, things are different at higher ping where we can't do certain things as optimally when doing it under 30-ish ping.
  • KossplossKossploss ✭✭✭
    > @ElinUsagi said:
    > Fezoh wrote: »
    >
    > http://imgur.com/b39uShq
    >
    > if you needed any proof of how [filtered] awful the routing is for zayo.............. here you go, literally 50 percent better with wtfast
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Thanks for showing us proof that is not a problem from EME and Sayo but your routing ^^

    Just stop you have no clue wtf you are saying EME is using zayo to route connections to their server and it sucks alot more then saavis. Your ISP routes only up to a point after that there some presefine paths.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Kossploss
    If most of the players woyld have this problem you won't count with your fingers the ppl complaining on forums.

    Also the change from savis to zayo benefits most of the users and that's why EME did it.

    In this kind of things its obvious ppl that have no issues won't complain and if most ppl were to have the same problem as OP then you will see an influx of most ppl in forums than Valkyrie name pool contest but it seems is not the case.

    Also the OP has admited that a VPN can improve his ping from 80ms to 40ms so that discard EME and his choice being wrong. ^^
  • haha agree
  • KossplossKossploss ✭✭✭
    > @ElinUsagi said:
    > @Kossploss
    > If most of the players woyld have this problem you won't count with your fingers the ppl complaining on forums.
    >
    > Also the change from savis to zayo benefits most of the users and that's why EME did it.
    >
    > In this kind of things its obvious ppl that have no issues won't complain and if most ppl were to have the same problem as OP then you will see an influx of most ppl in forums than Valkyrie name pool contest but it seems is not the case.
    >
    > Also the OP has admited that a VPN can improve his ping from 80ms to 40ms so that discard EME and his choice being wrong. ^^

    benefit more user? you're kidding right their server have been more laggier then right now , ans dont you dare tell me you're not lagging cause thats bs
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Kossploss

    So becuase you and a handful of ppl that i can count with my fingers say they are lagging you asume most of the players are laggin, and even you dare to say try guess that I am laggin without you being in my pc and playing the game from it.

    In the first place you and others have the mindset that their problem is everyone problem when it is not and because of that without actual proof you are not open to acept that there are lots of ppl that don't have the same issues as you.

    I will really don't care for ppl like that and I see why EME don't care for this kind of threads. It's obvious that ppl will rant and try to convince others than Savis is better than Zayo for thw most ppl when it is not. That was the first reason why EME switched anyway, if you are in the minority afected for that change then I feel sorry for you.

    I am pleased with the change from Savis to Sayo because my ping was improved from 160 to 80 and more stable ping at most times of the day. ^^
  • LessThanNoneLessThanNone ✭✭✭
    edited April 2017
    Personally, whenever EME switches their ISP for the servers from Savvis to Zayo my ping doubles from ~70 to ~140. This is due to a massive increase in ping while traveling through Zayo nodes and there is little that can be done other than using a VPN to route myself into Chicago differently. So yes, this increase in ping IS on EME's end (more specifically due to the ISP they're using) even though some other uneducated forum users like to say otherwise.

    Thankfully for me, it seems that the Zayo nodes I go through in my normal connection are mostly stable. This means that although the gameplay experience is not optimal the game is still playable. However, I am aware of many other people who aren't as lucky and are routed through some of the more infamous Zayo nodes that have high packet loss rates during peak hours that makes the game pretty much unplayable. This was the entire reason that EME switched to Savvis in the first place last year.

    So, if these infamous Zayo nodes are still around (which to my knowledge they are) I see no reason for EME to have switched back to Zayo from Savvis which had overall more stable nodes.


    Also, a note to some of the other posters. It's Zayo and Savvis, not "sayo" and "savis". It's extremely hard to not see your comments as a complete troll when you can't even get the company names correct.
  • KossplossKossploss ✭✭✭
    > @ElinUsagi said:
    > @Kossploss
    >
    > So becuase you and a handful of ppl that i can count with my fingers say they are lagging you asume most of the players are laggin, and even you dare to say try guess that I am laggin without you being in my pc and playing the game from it.
    >
    > In the first place you and others have the mindset that their problem is everyone problem when it is not and because of that without actual proof you are not open to acept that there are lots of ppl that don't have the same issues as you.
    >
    > I will really don't care for ppl like that and I see why EME don't care for this kind of threads. It's obvious that ppl will rant and try to convince others than Savis is better than Zayo for thw most ppl when it is not. That was the first reason why EME switched anyway, if you are in the minority afected for that change then I feel sorry for you.
    >
    > I am pleased with the change from Savis to Sayo because my ping was improved from 160 to 80 and more stable ping at most times of the day. ^^

    great i can confirm you are full of [filtered] or you barely play this game , there raids and groups across all the us lagging at the same time ever since the change with the valk update. I wish it was a handle amount that lagging but this [filtered] is happening server wide
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Kossploss

    Yeah you are all raids on every server. You make my point more strong because you try to speak for those that are not present. If that was the case you will have no less than 300 ppl complaining in the forums but I don't see even 1/10.

    Also it looks like you don't even consider to send your trace route to EME support and most important thing, as you have mentioned all raids if all raids don't send their trace logs then obviously they don't care, your whole all raid is a lie or the problem lies else where and most of them know and won't bother to complain with eve and maybe they are complaining with their ISP or looking for better ways to fix thier issue rather than ranting without proof to point fingers at EME.
  • KossplossKossploss ✭✭✭
    > @ElinUsagi said:
    > @Kossploss
    >
    > Yeah you are all raids on every server. You make my point more strong because you try to speak for those that are not present. If that was the case you will have no less than 300 ppl complaining in the forums but I don't see even 1/10.
    >
    > Also it looks like you don't even consider to send your trace route to EME support and most important thing, as you have mentioned all raids if all raids don't send their trace logs then obviously they don't care, your whole all raid is a lie or the problem lies else where and most of them know and won't bother to complain with eve and maybe they are complaining with their ISP or looking for better ways to fix thier issue rather than ranting without proof to point fingers at EME.

    LMFAO just stop , go watch some streams get a reality check/play the game obviously you're in denial about the lag. And u can look/ ask ppl accross all servers is happening everywhere and why complain on the forum half the time eme doesnt give a [filtered] or delete/lock threads.
Sign In or Register to comment.