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Trade broker negotiations in BGs!

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  • NikuroTegaNikuroTega ✭✭✭✭
    Chenayz wrote: »
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    A better solution is at least negotiations being automatically accepted/completed if the price matches the listed value. Not much "negotiating" being done if they offered your listing price.

    Last I check this is still a competitive game. Unless you don't consider the Trade Broker as a competition as well? Because I do, I compete with sellers all day long. Why the [filtered] would I allow the other person to have an edge over me if I am literally waiting for people to negotiate me in Highwatch vs a guy doing BG all day and he gets all the profit?

    You were in BG while I tried to buy your stuff? Tough luck, I'll buy it from this other guy who isn't in BG.

    I feel that the only edge the other person have over you is that they are doing something other than sitting in Highwatch to make additional profit.

    If the person in a BG has a listing that is a bit less expensive(with 'BuyNow' tax included) than what you've listed whilst sitting in Highwatch, I'd rather straight off buy now from the person in a BG and pay a bit less.

    If you have something cheaper on broker than what the person in a BG s listed, then I don't see how this would concern you. You'd have the competitive edge regardless.

    Also, if people could run BGs all day long, that'd be great. Unfortunately, only during Power Hours do BGs come to life.
  • ElinLoveElinLove ✭✭✭✭✭
    Chenayz wrote: »
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    A better solution is at least negotiations being automatically accepted/completed if the price matches the listed value. Not much "negotiating" being done if they offered your listing price.

    Last I check this is still a competitive game. Unless you don't consider the Trade Broker as a competition as well? Because I do, I compete with sellers all day long. Why the [filtered] would I allow the other person to have an edge over me if I am literally waiting for people to negotiate me in Highwatch vs a guy doing BG all day and he gets all the profit?

    You were in BG while I tried to buy your stuff? Tough luck, I'll buy it from this other guy who isn't in BG.

    We could do like this:

    Enable negotiations while inside BGs
    Now you queue BGs as well instead of sitting on Highwatch all day long.

    Profit for all.
  • ChenayzChenayz ✭✭
    NikuroTega wrote: »
    Chenayz wrote: »
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    A better solution is at least negotiations being automatically accepted/completed if the price matches the listed value. Not much "negotiating" being done if they offered your listing price.

    Last I check this is still a competitive game. Unless you don't consider the Trade Broker as a competition as well? Because I do, I compete with sellers all day long. Why the [filtered] would I allow the other person to have an edge over me if I am literally waiting for people to negotiate me in Highwatch vs a guy doing BG all day and he gets all the profit?

    You were in BG while I tried to buy your stuff? Tough luck, I'll buy it from this other guy who isn't in BG.

    I feel that the only edge the other person have over you is that they are doing something other than sitting in Highwatch to make additional profit.

    If the person in a BG has a listing that is a bit less expensive(with 'BuyNow' tax included) than what you've listed whilst sitting in Highwatch, I'd rather straight off buy now from the person in a BG and pay a bit less.

    If you have something cheaper on broker than what the person in a BG s listed, then I don't see how this would concern you. You'd have the competitive edge regardless.

    Also, if people could run BGs all day long, that'd be great. Unfortunately, only during Power Hours do BGs come to life.

    Okay, I'm not trying to argue or could care less what your intentions are really, but please try to see my point from your statement:
    An edge is an edge, no matter if its a c*nt hair or a mile length.

    This is like saying:
    Walmart is selling a [filtered] papaya for $2, but right now they are closed, unavailable or god forbid, they are in BG
    I'm selling it for $2 or even $2.01, I can sell it to you right now.

    Pls.
  • EndevaEndeva ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    A better solution is at least negotiations being automatically accepted/completed if the price matches the listed value. Not much "negotiating" being done if they offered your listing price.

    There is an option as described and its called "Buy now".
  • xvctxvct ✭✭✭
    Ginjitsu wrote: »
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    A better solution is at least negotiations being automatically accepted/completed if the price matches the listed value. Not much "negotiating" being done if they offered your listing price.

    There is an option as described and its called "Buy now".

    And what's the broker buy-now fee % that the buyer has to pay to the system? Is it about 5%, 10%?
  • EndevaEndeva ✭✭✭✭✭
    xvct wrote: »
    Ginjitsu wrote: »
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    A better solution is at least negotiations being automatically accepted/completed if the price matches the listed value. Not much "negotiating" being done if they offered your listing price.

    There is an option as described and its called "Buy now".

    And what's the broker buy-now fee % that the buyer has to pay to the system? Is it about 5%, 10%?

    It doesn't really stop anyone from buying...
    https://puu.sh/vxrUM/5da8df4cdd.png
    https://puu.sh/vxs0p/c77fc22660.png
  • counterpointcounterpoint mod
    edited April 2017
    MakeTeraGreatAgain wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    Besides the technical reason, I'm not sure it really makes sense to allow this in competitive team content. It may be inconvenient for the buyer and seller, but you're inconveniencing your whole team while you go AFK to deal with broker stuff. People could also use it from the outside to mess with people in battlegrounds -- which, again, are ostensibly supposed to be competitive.

    This is dumb. It doesn't take 5 minutes to do a negotiation that causes you to become "AFK." It's literally 3 -f'ing- mouse clicks. It takes literally 5 seconds.

    Assuming the person offers you the asking price and you don't actually do a multi-round negotiation, and assuming you don't have dozens of items all being negotiated at once while you're in there. And again, this is in the middle of ostensibly "competitive" team content. If you were actually trying to focus on what you're doing, the odds of making a mistake are higher.
  • counterpointcounterpoint mod
    edited April 2017
    N7RTFDR5H3 wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    MakeTeraGreatAgain wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    Besides the technical reason, I'm not sure it really makes sense to allow this in competitive team content. It may be inconvenient for the buyer and seller, but you're inconveniencing your whole team while you go AFK to deal with broker stuff. People could also use it from the outside to mess with people in battlegrounds -- which, again, are ostensibly supposed to be competitive.

    This is dumb. It doesn't take 5 minutes to do a negotiation that causes you to become "AFK." It's literally 3 -f'ing- mouse clicks. It takes literally 5 seconds.

    Assuming the person offers you the asking price and you don't actually do a multi-round negotiation, and assuming you don't have dozens of items all being negotiated at once while you're in there. And again, this is in the middle of ostensibly "competitive" team content. If you were actually trying to focus on what you're doing, the odds of making a mistake are higher.

    You literally bringing up nonsense. Nobody has ever had multiple negotiations back to back that will take them longer than 5 minutes of their time. Seriously, it's 3-f'ing-clicks.

    Even if IT WAS 10 negotiations of your items being sold back to back, those negotiations would literally only take 1 minute to click and be done with. (BUT THIS HARDLY EVER HAPPENS, EVER.)

    "Multiple rounds" dude, you're bringing out part of a game that hardly ever happens. People usually offer lower, and you just deny it. They offer again higher, and you just click deny. It doesn't even occupy you, and YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO CLICK IT, you can simply ignore it. Stop bringing up useless arguments. None of what you said is realistic or happens in game to the point where someone is so occupied that it made their team wipe inside a dungeon multiple times.

    The point is: it's a distraction in competitive content. The game should not distract you with broker nonsense in competitive content. Even if it takes "3-f'ing-clicks". If you're so worried about not missing potential sales that won't wait, don't play BGs. Any distraction in PvP content could hurt your team.
  • counterpointcounterpoint mod
    edited April 2017
    N7RTFDR5H3 wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    N7RTFDR5H3 wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    MakeTeraGreatAgain wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    Besides the technical reason, I'm not sure it really makes sense to allow this in competitive team content. It may be inconvenient for the buyer and seller, but you're inconveniencing your whole team while you go AFK to deal with broker stuff. People could also use it from the outside to mess with people in battlegrounds -- which, again, are ostensibly supposed to be competitive.

    This is dumb. It doesn't take 5 minutes to do a negotiation that causes you to become "AFK." It's literally 3 -f'ing- mouse clicks. It takes literally 5 seconds.

    Assuming the person offers you the asking price and you don't actually do a multi-round negotiation, and assuming you don't have dozens of items all being negotiated at once while you're in there. And again, this is in the middle of ostensibly "competitive" team content. If you were actually trying to focus on what you're doing, the odds of making a mistake are higher.

    You literally bringing up nonsense. Nobody has ever had multiple negotiations back to back that will take them longer than 5 minutes of their time. Seriously, it's 3-f'ing-clicks.

    Even if IT WAS 10 negotiations of your items being sold back to back, those negotiations would literally only take 1 minute to click and be done with. (BUT THIS HARDLY EVER HAPPENS, EVER.)

    "Multiple rounds" dude, you're bringing out part of a game that hardly ever happens. People usually offer lower, and you just deny it. They offer again higher, and you just click deny. It doesn't even occupy you, and YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO CLICK IT, you can simply ignore it. Stop bringing up useless arguments. None of what you said is realistic or happens in game to the point where someone is so occupied that it made their team wipe inside a dungeon multiple times.

    The point is: it's a distraction in competitive content. The game should not distract you with broker nonsense in competitive content. Even if it takes "3-f'ing-clicks". If you're so worried about not missing potential sales that won't wait, don't play BGs. Any distraction in PvP content could hurt your team.

    Then why don't you turn off your music because it's distracting you from BG for 2 minutes? Turn off your Global Chat because it's distracting you from concentrating on BG? Turn off whispers because it's distracting you... If this is your reasoning, dude.. please.

    It literally takes 2 f'ing seconds to do a negotiation, and you don't even need to click on it if you don't like the pricing. This argument that it "distracts players in BG," it's literally f'ing stupid. If that's the case, turn off whispers, buddy list, guild chat, global chat, turn off your Youtube, turn off your brother's PC because he's downloading a movie and it's causing you to lag 2 seconds and that will distract you too. Make sure you feed the birds in the morning because if you don't, he'll peck your windows and that also is distracting.

    ...Think of the whole reason people are asking for this in the first place. You're expected to take action to make the sale, and not taking action can cause you to lose the sale. Otherwise, no one would care about whether they miss a negotiation and it could just wait until they're out of the BG (and no one would be asking for this). The game should not prompt anyone with an unrelated time-sensitive call-to-action in competitive content. Doesn't matter if it takes "2 f'ing seconds" (particularly given that one of the actions spawns a UI that demands a confirmation).
  • ChsaliaChsalia ✭✭
    PvP (other than middle of a 3s round or major FW teamfight) really isn't so cut-throat that you need to be perfectly focused on the game 100% of the time.

    Most people still chat in guild / discord / alt tab to do random [filtered] during BGs, it's not a big deal.

    Negotiating is a trivial task. 3 clicks, and you don't even have to commit to the clicks. If you click nego and someone tries to attack you you can just fight them and deal with the nego window later. (The window even goes away while you're fighting).

    Also on a side note, PvP isn't really that competitive anymore. There are no leaderboards, no MI, nothing. We just do it because we enjoy it (and a lot of PvEers do it just for power hour jackpots/credits) and it would be nice if we could nego during it (because we're getting jack all for income anyway).
  • EndevaEndeva ✭✭✭✭✭
    MakeTeraGreatAgain wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    Besides the technical reason, I'm not sure it really makes sense to allow this in competitive team content. It may be inconvenient for the buyer and seller, but you're inconveniencing your whole team while you go AFK to deal with broker stuff. People could also use it from the outside to mess with people in battlegrounds -- which, again, are ostensibly supposed to be competitive.

    This is dumb. It doesn't take 5 minutes to do a negotiation that causes you to become "AFK." It's literally 3 -f'ing- mouse clicks. It takes literally 5 seconds.

    Dropping out of the BG doesn't take that much time either! :expressionless:
  • YamazukiYamazuki ✭✭✭✭✭
    ElinLove wrote: »
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    A better solution is at least negotiations being automatically accepted/completed if the price matches the listed value. Not much "negotiating" being done if they offered your listing price.

    Like I said, I agree for this to happen inside BGs and dungeons, or when the player is active.
    But if you allow it always, like just AFKing and it auto-completes then it opens way to broker AFK bots. We certainly don't need more players sitting on map making us lag if they ain't even playing right?

    Completely agreed in case the player is active tho.

    The broker is already (and has been) botted for a long time. Some are obvious when they auto-accept negotiations even though the'yre obviously afk. Or the characters online 24/7 that always can negotiate.
  • ElinLoveElinLove ✭✭✭✭✭
    "The game should not distract you..."

    Guess what it already does: whispers can still be sent and received, global chat may be showing their "I'm gay" messages cause yes, not to mention that: there's way more distractions completely out of the game's scope that can and WILL happen: your phone may ring at any friggen moment, doorbell, someone calls you... You name it.

    It's your own fault for getting distracted by stuff, it's always been like that, always full of distractions on hardcore PVP or chill AFKing.


    It will still be your own choice ignoring the negotiation if it pops if you get oh so distracted by it during PvP, cause you know, PvP is so hardcore in TERA right now
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