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The 3rd Party Thread

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  • SomentineSomentine ✭✭
    edited April 2017
    @KnightFalz

    Hey bro, DPS metre was a third party program that was given the okay under some stipulations. Maybe you should think before you mindlessly post.
  • YitharYithar ✭✭✭
    dingo790 wrote: »
    wrote: »
    Don't people just use macro's for block canceling since like forever?

    Maybe some people do, but it's inefficient

    http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/player-vs-player/topics/Oh-god-the-horror?page=2#post-989375

    >One last thing, how many macro keys do people think I have? According to everyone who thinks I do it, I gotta have like a macro for spamming block cancel, wallop cancel, leash cancel, giga cancel ,spring attack cancel, shield barrage cancel, glide macro, etc.
  • @Yamazuki

    I think your analogy is very stupid. We don't live in 1950 when geographical discrimination is taken as a norm. In 2017 if a group is disadvantaged by circumstances that can be fixed, it is a moral imperative to help them. Your doping analogy only works if the program let you attack faster than zero ping, but it doesn't from all of my research.
  • Somentine wrote: »
    @KnightFalz

    Hey bro, DPS metre is a third party program that was given the okay under some stipulations. Maybe you should think before you mindlessly post.

    Noesis does not agree with your assertion. Perhaps you should have your facts in order before critiquing those that do.
  • @Yamazuki

    Wow, I'm glad you're such an ethical Tera player. Thanks for all your frequent requests that have continued to change nothing! I'm sure BHS spends a lot of time fixing exploits (nope, none of the recent exploits have been fixed, tera rewards bug still there, Lachelith bug still there, gate glitches in various places still possible, etc.) Oh and while we're at it, FWC still unequalized, still no leaderboards, CS is back to 2-man q, I'm glad things are being accomplished!
  • AEFH9EGJMAAEFH9EGJMA ✭✭
    edited April 2017
    manyhi wrote: »
    @Yamazuki

    Wow, I'm glad you're such an ethical Tera player. Thanks for all your frequent requests that have continued to change nothing! I'm sure BHS spends a lot of time fixing exploits (nope, none of the recent exploits have been fixed, tera rewards bug still there, Lachelith bug still there, gate glitches in various places still possible, etc.) Oh and while we're at it, FWC still unequalized, still no leaderboards, CS is back to 2-man q, I'm glad things are being accomplished!

    I think we all blame Spacecats but the player council is to be blamed too. Did you read the thread on reddit one of the council members posted? It was one of the most uninformed and idiotic thing I've ever read. It is pretty common sense in the community that most active player council members are newbie players with big egos and don't understand anything. Since council is the bridge between CM and community, Spacecats being so ignorant about how these third party tools work is partially the council's fault for being ignorant too.

    I think today's state of affairs the council needs to be criticized for too.
  • DelusoDeluso ✭✭✭✭
    So far, this thread isn't going anywhere.
    Will be there some meeting between EME and BHS about this matter?
    Is there real communication between EME and 3rd party developer?
    What's the real clarification about this matter from EME to players?
    What's in it for those using so called illegal 3rd party program?
    What's the prove they self-proclaimed solved and stopped these "hack". Does EME/BHS even trying to solve this problem? Or just doing what it seems to be right rather than fixing the actual problem specifically in NA?
    And lastly, you all seems to forgot what's the actual "root" of this matter caused those problem arise.
  • SomentineSomentine ✭✭
    edited April 2017
    KnightFalz wrote: »
    Somentine wrote: »
    @KnightFalz

    Hey bro, DPS metre was a third party program that was given the okay under some stipulations. Maybe you should think before you mindlessly post.

    Noesis does not agree with your assertion. Perhaps you should have your facts in order before critiquing those that do.

    Maybe you should get your facts straight. This is a direct quote from your god, Noesis:
    To start, the Terms of Service is a legal document every player agrees to when they sign up to play TERA. That document states that 3rd party programs aren’t allowed. Over TERA’s lifespan various 3rd party programs have been developed by players, some way more harmful than others, and the discussion in the community (outside the forums) has pretty much become “so which 3rd party programs will I ACTUALLY get in trouble for?”

    That’s led things down a slippery slope where more and more people started using 3rd party programs to the point where they got used to them. For some people 3rd party programs are just part of the everyday TERA experience. So why are “innocent” 3rd party programs suddenly not allowed? The answer is that… well… no 3rd party programs were allowed to begin with. Some people have been discretely using them and haven’t been banned, and now recent events have called the use of ALL 3rd party programs into question, throwing a spotlight on some of those people.

    Pay attention to the bold text. Now read this, or go through old posts if this isn't enough proof for you:

    OjNiNQy.png



  • edited April 2017
    Deluso wrote: »
    So far, this thread isn't going anywhere.
    Will be there some meeting between EME and BHS about this matter?
    Is there real communication between EME and 3rd party developer?
    What's the real clarification about this matter from EME to players?
    What's in it for those using so called illegal 3rd party program?
    What's the prove they self-proclaimed solved and stopped these "hack". Does EME/BHS even trying to solve this problem? Or just doing what it seems to be right rather than fixing the actual problem specifically in NA?
    And lastly, you all seems to forgot what's the actual "root" of this matter caused those problem arise.

    I can give you the answer. It's no for pretty much everything. No communication between EME and developers. No actual fixes by BHS. No real clarification besides if you're caught, you're banned.

    Also, @Spacecats , if this forum is to promote active discussion, why are users being shadowbanned? That seems very counter intuitive if you guys are going to mute players with an active opinion on the matter.
  • canikizucanikizu ✭✭✭
    KnightFalz wrote: »
    Whatever opinions players have expressed on the issue, accurate or not, with understanding or not, isn't all that central. EME has declared that the use of 3rd party tools is not permitted and those that use them are subject to banning.

    It has nothing to do with what some may consider ridiculous, ethical, honest, and so forth.

    By virtue of the ToS all players must agree to in order to play the game EME has the right to prohibit the use of 3rd party tools and to deny access to the game to those that defy that prohibition.

    So by your explanation, it doesn't matter if the particular tool is useful/harmless/big quality of life improvement even in your eyes, if EME condemns and call it cheat, you'll call it cheat too?

    There's a reason why we have clause 13 in almost all of ToS of games out there:

    " En Masse reserves the right, at its sole and absolute discretion, to change, modify, add to, supplement or delete any of the terms and conditions of this Terms of Service at any time, including without limitation access policies, the availability of any feature of TERA, hours of availability, content, data, software or equipment needed to access TERA, effective with or without prior notice"

    It enables for the game developers/publishers to adjust their ToS as they please. And this exactly why people are trying to make a case: is to let EME/BHS know and consider and legitimatize/implement the usage of the tool. And this is also why people are so frustrated when EME kept banning people talking about it, and whiteknights keep backtalk and don't provide anything useful to push the conversation forward. It's not like things like this didn't happen before. Things like DPS meter in Blade and Soul was huge demand and people were using 3rd party meter, and the developer ended up implement the meter ingame.

  • YitharYithar ✭✭✭
    manyhi wrote: »
    Also, @Spacecats , if this forum is to promote active discussion, why are users being shadowbanned?

    Wait, there's shadowbans on this forum like reddit? A post of mine was deleted but I guess that was because it was considered a personal attack.
  • edited April 2017
    Yithar wrote: »
    manyhi wrote: »
    Also, @Spacecats , if this forum is to promote active discussion, why are users being shadowbanned?

    Wait, there's shadowbans on this forum like reddit? A post of mine was deleted but I guess that was because it was considered a personal attack.

    Yep my main is shadowbanned. I can see my post history on it but nothing can be viewed by others.
  • YitharYithar ✭✭✭
    AEFH9EGJMA wrote: »
    I think we all blame Spacecats but the player council is to be blamed too. Did you read the thread on reddit one of the council members posted? It was one of the most uninformed and idiotic thing I've ever read. It is pretty common sense in the community that most active player council members are newbie players with big egos and don't understand anything. Since council is the bridge between CM and community, Spacecats being so ignorant about how these third party tools work is partially the council's fault for being ignorant too.

    I think today's state of affairs the council needs to be criticized for too.

    https://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/Player-Feedback-is-crucial?page=5
  • YamazukiYamazuki ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2017
    manyhi wrote: »
    @Yamazuki

    Wow, I'm glad you're such an ethical Tera player. Thanks for all your frequent requests that have continued to change nothing! I'm sure BHS spends a lot of time fixing exploits (nope, none of the recent exploits have been fixed, tera rewards bug still there, Lachelith bug still there, gate glitches in various places still possible, etc.) Oh and while we're at it, FWC still unequalized, still no leaderboards, CS is back to 2-man q, I'm glad things are being accomplished!

    Yes, BHS is extremely slow at changing things, multiple years to even do a thing about fps, and you somehow think intentionally breaking the game to force BHS to fix their exploits is going to mysteriously make things better? All they've done is delay what little BHS is even capable of doing, in the end normal players lose and these people profit, they laugh about all of this openly on Discord. They definitely are making Tera great again!
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz ✭✭✭
    edited April 2017
    Somentine wrote: »
    KnightFalz wrote: »
    Somentine wrote: »
    @KnightFalz

    Hey bro, DPS metre was a third party program that was given the okay under some stipulations. Maybe you should think before you mindlessly post.

    Noesis does not agree with your assertion. Perhaps you should have your facts in order before critiquing those that do.

    Maybe you should get your facts straight. This is a direct quote from your god, Noesis:
    To start, the Terms of Service is a legal document every player agrees to when they sign up to play TERA. That document states that 3rd party programs aren’t allowed. Over TERA’s lifespan various 3rd party programs have been developed by players, some way more harmful than others, and the discussion in the community (outside the forums) has pretty much become “so which 3rd party programs will I ACTUALLY get in trouble for?”

    That’s led things down a slippery slope where more and more people started using 3rd party programs to the point where they got used to them. For some people 3rd party programs are just part of the everyday TERA experience. So why are “innocent” 3rd party programs suddenly not allowed? The answer is that… well… no 3rd party programs were allowed to begin with. Some people have been discretely using them and haven’t been banned, and now recent events have called the use of ALL 3rd party programs into question, throwing a spotlight on some of those people.

    Pay attention to the bold text. Now read this, or go through old posts if this isn't enough proof for you:

    OjNiNQy.png



    Absolutely nothing Noesis said in the quotes you provided allows for the use of 3rd party tools. In fact, he has specifically stated that no 3rd party tools are allowed in a very recent post that isn't even slightly difficult to find.

    Since Tera has no inherent DPS meter any such tool automatically falls in the category of 3rd party, and thus are not allowed.

    What you want to read into things doesn't jive with what Noesis has outright said.

    What a GM says doesn't override what Noesis says.

    You are simply wrong.
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