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Trust me, all the frequent requests that have continued to change nothing is not the fault of Player Council but because En Masse and Bluehole have failed to implement.
In fact, even player council members like you don't seem to care that you're very ignorant about the specifics of this entire issue. Spend your time getting informed about what the software actually does before you write on the forums please.
Yes I know. I'm just trying to state something there.
EME seems doesn't even trying to contacting developers and apparently they actually don't even know how to detect 3rd party program except "patiently" waiting for report who's using 3rd party program. Most bugs are still there, exploits are still running and the server is still lagging. Optimization? Who am I to say about it.
1. This program has existed in the past.
2. The exact same ToS rule was in place at the time but the program was allowed under conditions.
3. This sets the precedent, and therefore the fact, that things aren't absolutes; more specifically, like how every single rule or law in life works.
4. Ignoring facts and proceeding to post mindless absolutes that are directly contradicted by the past is something something.
5. Drawing your 'facts' from someone who is factual wrong is, well, wrong.
6. Edit: Coming into a thread, created by EME to discuss the issues, and attempting to shut down all discussion with a mindless post is also something something.
I see only one solution to this, the modders and EME get together and talk in a civil manner and work together. By having "that program" naturally incorporated into the game coding, will make all 3 parties happy as people will get their "ping balance", the other party will not technically be "cheating" as it is part of the game, and the third will continue to just sit there and continue to not care and meme.
But didn't EME already try to contact the modders?
What actually happened is EME sent a Player Council member to Dev M and said "Hey, Spacecats wants to talk to you". His response was, "I am going to get banned anyway" and declined. I believe both parties are wrong here because EME should have approached Dev M directly as he may have interpreted it as a "Nigerian Princess". Also Dev M should have also not mentioned "getting banned anyway" and perhaps even suggested for EME to contact him directly to talk.
What about the financial return for EME/BHS?
Without a doubt, there is a time and financial investment into incorporating skill prediction naturally into the game. The CEOs and shareholders will be wanting a return. Lets use the Net Promoter Score (NPS) system here. When customers are happy, they become promoters of a business. Promoters will tell their friends and family how good their experience was, and bring more business in. In a similar fashion, customers who had a bad experience will become detractors and will actively speak out against the company, resulting in loss of potential sales. Incorporating skill prediction into the game will be win-win for every customer because they will become a promoter, resulting in a higher overall NPS score for EME/BHS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_Promoter
But EME are only the publisher and cant do anything?
While this is partially true, I do truly believe that EME has the power to voice our concerns to BHS and fight for us, not against us. This wont be easy, nobody every said it will be, but we need to rise to the challenge, and have the determination to succeed. If we approach this with a negative mindset, nothing will ever change.
What needs to be done?
I strongly believe that the biggest thing that is missing is the drive to succeed. Right now it seems like 2 grown adults banging their heads against each other, nothing gets achieved and both walk away with headaches. We need to put our differences behind us, and work together. We are a very small community in contrast to the big hitters like Blizzard. However when our community is united and working together with our publishers, developers and modders alike, we can achieve anything.
A random person contacted one of them through PM and the developer obviously didn't trust them because it wasn't anyone from EME. If EME wanted to contact them, they could have done it through the forums or contacting them in-game with an EME staff account.
And that is why players have been so upset. Our pleads for essential QoL changes to this game fall on deaf ears.
No, I'm saying that EME is the one that gets to determine what 3rd party programs Tera players get to use. They have decided that players get to use none of them.
The reason that clause exists is to provide EME to change the ToS as they see fit. As you say, they could amend the ToS to allow for the use of 3rd party tools. They obviously won't be doing that, as it would be in direct contradiction with their policy on the use of 3rd party tools.
Players can make the case for that change all they like, as a forum thread has been provided for that. However, it would be a mistake to assume the provision of this thread in any way suggests EME is open to changing their policy.
Rather, it is at least as likely it was provided as an open valve that would allow players to blow off steam in a contained environment in the hope it would eventually result in less pressure in the pipes over time, effectively making the issue fade away through attrition.
1. EME decides to use a chainsaw to shave off a tiny speck of dye on their precious $1000 suit.
2. Players say no that's stupid, you'll ruin everything, how about take it to dry cleaners who know what to do about it.
3. Whiteknights say but it's clearly in the company policy that all spills are to be fixed with chainsaws.
4. EME goes ahead and chainsaws the poor suit.
Except, not anymore. Like someone said earlier, things change.
The only constant is change.
That a ToS violation may not have been avidly pursued in the past does not mean it will always be so.
This isn't a court of law. Precedent has no binding influence here.
Failing to acquaint yourself with the facts as they are now is your problem, not mine.
I made no attempt to shut down discussion in the thread. That I continue to participate in the discussion is ample evidence to the contrary of your assertion.
The change itself is the constant. Nothing contradictory about it.
We have several patches ahead, I think it's safe to say many of those are already being localized and tested by the NA team, and if out of nowhere someone decides they want to add something like skill prediction and have it available immediately, then probably all the patches already being tested would be held and even scrapped, which would be a setback for both companies' bussiness schedule, including the console release. That means losing time and effort and money they've already invested. So no, I don't think we'll see the EME staff and BHS saying they'll add those things right away or allow the use of the 3rd party software we're talking about.
In my opinion, perhaps the discussion should be about how to actively encourage EME to have BHS give an statement about the issues that caused this whole chaos: latency, skill prediction and graphical performance. Do it any way you want: send inquires to BHS directly, reach out for big game news media, "vote with your wallets" or anything you want, but accept once for all that they won't allow you to use injectors and DPS meters, even if they really can't detect you're using them, and if you insist on breaking the ToS (which they haven't really enforced until now) then be aware they will ban you, whether you accidentally let them know what you're doing or if you get reported by someone else.