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Asia player Enlightenment Needed ~

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  • feminzii wrote: »
    ZeRoHouR95 wrote: »
    It's funny how gm's feed the low ping users, i remember longtime ago complaining about this things and at least they would answer a ticket. Today not even that

    cuz its a waste of everyones time
    what do you want them to do about it? the server is in NA because EME is an NA publisher
    there is nothing they can do to magically solve your ping issues

    Awww come on, do you think i am that stupid? the problem is not the having high ping or a bit of delay when it comes to the game, the problem is the "delay" added to each chained skill, tera is a game prepared for koreans, look at the size of korea and just compare it america, it's even unfair for those americans who live on the limits of the country, compared to the ones who live next to the server, the fix is very simple and it was being talked since a week already, not even needing cheats or hacks or anything, again, they can fix it, it's not nice to them cus ofc, tryhard emp costumers who have tier 10 and get full +15 of the new gear in a single day need to be FED.. this is getting old already, how much is the game gonna get milked? just a little bit more of fixes here and there, is all what ppl is asking.
  • What i recommend for those who have very high ping regardless the location is to avoid the harderst modes if its unplayable for you now and tp remain patient until new dungeons show up,because it could l stress you only ,Obviously we all want to master the hardest dungeon to farm and personal reasons
    I remember when TSHM was the hardest mode or SSHM and FIHM , well today today is RMHN.
    I had other gears of course schisma starfall etc, sometimes i felt like it was too hard can be ping or i wasn't properly geared or my own skill wasn't enough it doesn't matter the point is today i can clear and enjoy all those dungeons easily,so if you cannot enjoy of rmhn right now you will very soon, tweaks will be done , new powerful sets and jewelry will show up making those hard modes easier even with very high pings you'll be able to run the hard modes you couldn't properly the new gears tweaks and possible nerfing in such dungeons will compensate your ping problems making all easier.

    But the hardest mode always drop a very important ingredient to craft the main visionmaker, yes true but I also tell you that i always crafted the newest visonmaker maybe not as fast as others but i can assure you though i run rmhn now and then is not strictly necessary to run the hardest mode, all you need can be in this case rmnm ssnm sshm lkhm lknm
    Every visionmaker comes with some sort of chests or boxes like lacheclith treasure or lilith chest or whataver providiing those non tradeable materials you need , also battlegrounds, jackpots sea chests some trading tokens can also contain those mats from that mode where you may have issues
    You can craft any set visionmaker (but the belt) without stepping into the hardest mode and maybe once you have it you'll feel more comfortable to run it, that is what i do since tensus /lucid
    So that is my recommendation for your case, and yeah what the guy above says is also very true , practicing and wiping a lot makes the dungeon get easier eventually but if all for you is gonna become a random lottery of events deciding if you dodge the mechanics or die when isnt your fault at all I'd consider my advice, can be done of course but do not get frustrated you have other options I have 2 ambush 2 imperator so it worked for me now waiting for the new VSM and dungeons, good luck
  • edited May 2017
    75X5L45KE7 wrote: »
    Deluso wrote: »
    Oh yeah, using VPN is illegal right now.

    Not Ilegal. That do not play with the client in any form.
    And they cant know if u re using a proxy/vpn.

    yes they can't know YET!!! but it is illegal to do that cuz most of them cover your original IP you are logging from, and I think it is said in ToS that masking your IP with any 3rd party program is illegal

    No, only if you're doing it to evade a ban. The official policy has always been that VPNs are fine unless people start using that VPN for illegal stuff, and then they may have to ban that endpoint.

    Edit: Support note source here.
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    No, only if you're doing it to evade a ban. The official policy has always been that VPNs are fine unless people start using that VPN for illegal stuff, and then they may have to ban that endpoint.

    Edit: Support note source here.

    When was that posted?

    If it was before Noesis' announcement banning all 3rd party programs that link may no longer be applicable. Just because something was posted at one time doesn't mean it is valid for all time.
  • edited May 2017
    KnightFalz wrote: »
    No, only if you're doing it to evade a ban. The official policy has always been that VPNs are fine unless people start using that VPN for illegal stuff, and then they may have to ban that endpoint.

    Edit: Support note source here.

    When was that posted?

    If it was before Noesis' announcement banning all 3rd party programs that link may no longer be applicable. Just because something was posted at one time doesn't mean it is valid for all time.

    None of the actions taken have anything whatsoever to do with regular VPNs, and that isn't what they mean by "third-party programs." The actions taken were just in alignment with the EULA, which never changed in terms of what it banned. ("cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify any part of TERA" and "any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, “mines”, or otherwise collects information from or through TERA or the service".) A VPN that just passes your connection along a path to the server is no different than your Internet connection itself, and is fine (unless people start using that endpoint for illegal stuff, as the support note says).
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz ✭✭✭
    None of the actions taken have anything whatsoever to do with regular VPNs, and that isn't what they mean by "third-party programs." The actions taken were just in alignment with the EULA, which never changed in terms of what it banned. ("cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify any part of TERA" and "any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, “mines”, or otherwise collects information from or through TERA or the service".) A VPN that just passes your connection along a path to the server is no different than your Internet connection itself, and is fine (unless people start using that endpoint for illegal stuff, as the support note says).

    In the recent Noesis didn't say all third party programs, except for VPN.

    He said no third party programs, no exception.

    A VPN is certainly different from just using your connection without or there would be no point in using it, and it is certainly a third party program.

    So, it is a bit risky without clarification, as Noesis' declaration and what you have quoted appear to be at odds with each other. The prudent person would be careful here. After all, the ToS is subject to change at any time, at EME's sole discretion.

    What would be best really is for an official announcement on it, since it isn't all that clear when the ToS appears to conflict with the much more recently produced statement of Noesis.

    Or, people can take a chance based on their interpretations of his statement and the ToS and see how their luck holds out.That should be great fun for the gamblers out there!
  • MirakaelMirakael ✭✭✭
    Hi bro, try using Mudfish. It helps me a bit from 270ms ping, to 220ms
  • edited May 2017
    KnightFalz wrote: »
    A VPN is certainly different from just using your connection without or there would be no point in using it, and it is certainly a third party program.
    VPN functionality is built right into Windows itself. Some of them use custom UIs to make it easier, but the core concept is an OS-level feature. If you take the "no third-party programs" line as literally as you are taking it, then any VPNs that use the built-in Windows tools are fine, but any that require you to install something are not, even if they are otherwise completely identical. And I am absolutely sure that isn't what they mean. The recent enforcement of the EULA didn't change the definitions of what is and isn't allowed at all, and there was no intended conflict except if you take it hyper-literally and out of the context of the action taken. They've also already clarified that they are "actively hunting for players using 3rd party software in malicious ways." (emphasis added)

    But anyway, people can obviously decide for themselves if they don't want to believe me. Maybe, as you propose, EME can clarify that their proxy/VPN policy has not changed.
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz ✭✭✭
    It doesn't matter how I take it, but how EME would take it.

    But, I'm pretty much the opposite of being a technical person and have never used a VPN, so I was unaware one was built into Windows itself. With that being the case you're probably right and there is no need to worry.

    Thanks for the info! I appreciate it.

    Probably what is basic info to many users is helpful new knowledge for those such as I. It probably would be a good idea for EME to clarify a bit as there are most likely others like me who may confuse things simply from lack of knowledge. The less confusion the better right now, eh?
  • aeee98aeee98 ✭✭✭✭
    A VPN won't help Singapore players go below 220ms. In fact some VPN servers will increase the packet route due to the change of routing from Singapore to USA. Intercontinental route is honestly just too long lol.

    VPNs have always been allowed for players to access the game legally. Most commercial VPNs merely provide an easy-to-use wrapper (most of the functions are already built into windows by default) and the settings to the addresses of the VPN routers.

    It doesn't do anything to change or alter the game in any form, nor sniffs packets to do malicious intent. In fact, VPNs are regarded as legal IPs in most games today provided they aren't abused for hacking and botting. You are mistaking this VPN issue to another program that actually alters the way the game itself sends the packets rather than your internet network. That was the main reason why it is banned.

    KnightFalz wrote: »
    It doesn't matter how I take it, but how EME would take it.

    But, I'm pretty much the opposite of being a technical person and have never used a VPN, so I was unaware one was built into Windows itself. With that being the case you're probably right and there is no need to worry.

    Thanks for the info! I appreciate it.

    Probably what is basic info to many users is helpful new knowledge for those such as I. It probably would be a good idea for EME to clarify a bit as there are most likely others like me who may confuse things simply from lack of knowledge. The less confusion the better right now, eh?

    It would be hard to provide every single bit of small info. No matter how big a company, there will always be small issues which just can't be addressed publicly. This is one of them, and experienced players or players from the Player Council should be the ones explaining rather than having a EME staff to do it all the time, just like what counterpoint explained for your issue.
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz ✭✭✭
    aeee98 wrote: »
    It would be hard to provide every single bit of small info. No matter how big a company, there will always be small issues which just can't be addressed publicly. This is one of them, and experienced players or players from the Player Council should be the ones explaining rather than having a EME staff to do it all the time, just like what counterpoint explained for your issue.

    I don't see it being all that difficult for EME to specifically declare one way or the other if VPNs are permitted or not. It is a rather quick and easy thing for someone official to type out 'VPN - Okay' or 'VPN - Not Okay'.

    Whether or not something is a game banning offence is not a small issue to players of that game.

    The Player Council has no authority on this matter so any post they make on what is or is not allowable would mean nothing. All they could post would be a non-definitive opinion on it, which doesn't clarify anything.

    It has to come from the people with the authority to define what is allowed so that players would know without question one way or the other, so they can make choices with confidence.

    It is hard for players to do the right thing if EME doesn't precisely define it, and based on various posts in the forum it seems the definition remains imprecise to a fair number of players, at least on VPNs.
  • edited May 2017
    KnightFalz wrote: »
    aeee98 wrote: »
    It would be hard to provide every single bit of small info. No matter how big a company, there will always be small issues which just can't be addressed publicly. This is one of them, and experienced players or players from the Player Council should be the ones explaining rather than having a EME staff to do it all the time, just like what counterpoint explained for your issue.

    I don't see it being all that difficult for EME to specifically declare one way or the other if VPNs are permitted or not. It is a rather quick and easy thing for someone official to type out 'VPN - Okay' or 'VPN - Not Okay'.
    Well, they do have a statement:

    "Services that promise to improve your ping and decrease lag may sound promising, but they are frequently used by hackers and criminals who want to remain anonymous. Although we do not block them by default, a proxy or server host will be blocked if it becomes a popular tool for criminal behavior."

    Your contention is that there was some change, but there really was not. The bans that occurred were consistent with the EULA's existing stipulations, as is the support note. The actual rules never changed, only the fact they took visible/advertised steps to enforce it. And because VPNs are a native feature of your operating system, it's not a third-party program anyway.

    The definition should not really remain "imprecise" to anyone. But nevertheless, in case they don't respond to this thread, someone who is concerned could also contact them via support ticket for a verdict.
  • LesbianViLesbianVi ✭✭✭✭✭
    @MaelSlayer I never did RM, SSHM, cause you know, I know my ping and that 2 secs delay on my end gonna rekt me and my party and see what I get for it on forums :D But in seriousness, I wanna have fun and let my party have fun, some stuff normally and with delay can be cancerous. so you are right about leaving it there.
  • HaloistHaloist ✭✭✭
    The only enlightening i can give you is to join my on TW TERA XD

    If you won't consider changing servers though, then there's nothing much you can do about your current situation. I was in your position once and got tired of it, so I just went to TW TERA for a fresh start. Sure, I had to lose all 13 lvl65 characters of mine, but in return I get to play like what the game was intended to be.
  • MarcusCrassusMarcusCrassus ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Are VPN good for reduce ping?? I tried Battleping yesterday, joining a Chicago server. And dont see any improvement. Ping is still 200/240 all the times. Wich is impossible to play against other players with less than 80ms. I cant make warrior stun combo with block cancel :( . I tried yesterday.

    Maybe just BP sucks, but other work fine.... Is here anyone OUTSIDE NA using now or used sometime a VPN and work?

    I already heard of some brasilians preparing a Tera server in Brasil. I think that will be the END of Tera NA. Considering that 70% of the actual playerbase are south americans, playing a horrible game experiencie with high ping.
    hehe dear Eme u must monopolize as fast as u can a put a server on SA and some in Europe (Dont know if there will be legal, being Tera EU there).

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