[TERA PC & Console] En Masse is closing, but TERA lives on! We will continue to support TERA PC (NA) and TERA Console until service is transferred. Stay tuned for more information.
[TERA Console] The Grotto of Lost Souls update (v85) is now live! Read the patch notes here: https://bit.ly/TERACon_v85

[TERA PC] The 64-bit update (v97) is now live. Check out all the changes delivered on August 11 here: https://bit.ly/tera64_patchnotes
[TERA PC & CONSOLE] Summerfest Part 2: The Beach Bash is on from August 11 until September 1! Participate in event activities to earn tokens redeemable for costumes, consumables, mounts, and more! Details: https://bit.ly/tera_sf20

The manager that improved what we wanted to be improved for years is leaving us. Thanks Noesis

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  • HastrerHastrer ✭✭
    Hastrer wrote: »
    wait wait wait, pls give me 3 minutes

    Ok i got my popcorn and soda, now you guys can continue, don't mind me.

    (◕‿◕✿)
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    counterpoint wrote: »
    allofspaceandtime wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    allofspaceandtime wrote: »
    why isn't tera eu or tera jp restricted like we are? why cant we have the same things they have. if they have so much freedom within their games why cant we? is it because the people at eme don't have the knowledge to program or whatever it is?
    Can you give an example? If you mean the anniversary, for instance, they did it this way by choice not because their hands are tied. As far as I know, JP and EU have all the same restrictions we do, and EME can do anything JP/EU do if they wanted to.
    and that is one of the reasons why people are unhappy with tera atm. if they could give us the same things that the others have but didn't, does that mean they care that little for us and not have to try as hard?
    Like what? For example, they're not doing blue box events because they're too easily exploited in our region. Other regions have a different prize structure where they don't care if they get devalued (because different things are more in demand, and they've made them untradeable). If they literally gave the same thing here as they have in other regions, people would almost certainly say the events aren't worth it because the expectations here are different (based on the previous events we've had and the value of consumables).

    I don't think it's that EME tried less hard for the anniversary than other regions; for example, EU just threw every single event on a calendar with prize pool of untradeable consumables (because they're all valuable there compared to here) and a huge RNG train to get anything truly valuable and called it a day. Not sure they really "tried harder." Now, whether people are happy with what was created is another story. (I do think the anniversary events here are a flop, not in small part because of how they started and how poorly advertised they were. The only thing people noticed was the golden gift boxes and just said nope; they should have led with the in-game events right from the start...)

    i just asked we have something like the tera letter for this anniv at least it is better than nothing and our dear CM is unable to just give us this little thing, so how you want we trust him ?

    he just give us more reasons to quit tera every day
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Main problem with this Anniversary is that it should be equally rewarding as Kyra.

    I said when Kyra event started that it was rewarding a lot and feared for the anniversary won't feel like a good event at all.

    Now we have the anniversary and it happens what i said, and that's the problem for hear useless crying from people that only are greedy.

    Weekly or Monthly event sould give small bonus to the players and main years event should be like "fu c k it, we are going to be overboard about prices". But after several mongos and kyras giving enought rewards to be afk for a year now the events we have don't look apealing at all.

    I hope EME learns about this kind of things.
  • counterpointcounterpoint mod
    edited May 2017
    vkobe wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    allofspaceandtime wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    allofspaceandtime wrote: »
    why isn't tera eu or tera jp restricted like we are? why cant we have the same things they have. if they have so much freedom within their games why cant we? is it because the people at eme don't have the knowledge to program or whatever it is?
    Can you give an example? If you mean the anniversary, for instance, they did it this way by choice not because their hands are tied. As far as I know, JP and EU have all the same restrictions we do, and EME can do anything JP/EU do if they wanted to.
    and that is one of the reasons why people are unhappy with tera atm. if they could give us the same things that the others have but didn't, does that mean they care that little for us and not have to try as hard?
    Like what? For example, they're not doing blue box events because they're too easily exploited in our region. Other regions have a different prize structure where they don't care if they get devalued (because different things are more in demand, and they've made them untradeable). If they literally gave the same thing here as they have in other regions, people would almost certainly say the events aren't worth it because the expectations here are different (based on the previous events we've had and the value of consumables).

    I don't think it's that EME tried less hard for the anniversary than other regions; for example, EU just threw every single event on a calendar with prize pool of untradeable consumables (because they're all valuable there compared to here) and a huge RNG train to get anything truly valuable and called it a day. Not sure they really "tried harder." Now, whether people are happy with what was created is another story. (I do think the anniversary events here are a flop, not in small part because of how they started and how poorly advertised they were. The only thing people noticed was the golden gift boxes and just said nope; they should have led with the in-game events right from the start...)

    i just asked we have something like the tera letter for this anniv at least it is better than nothing and our dear CM is unable to just give us this little thing, so how you want we trust him ?

    he just give us more reasons to quit tera every day

    Okay, so what should the prizes be? I mean, they can't literally do the T-E-R-A event because they already told people it was safe to throw out their letters. They probably could do an event like it, but the big question is always what the prizes should be so that a) people will think it's fun, b) it won't be so overly exploited that the prizes are meaningless, c) it won't be so much more lucrative than actually playing the game itself, and d) it won't hurt the in-game economy more than it has already been hurt by past events.


    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Main problem with this Anniversary is that it should be equally rewarding as Kyra.

    I said when Kyra event started that it was rewarding a lot and feared for the anniversary won't feel like a good event at all.

    Now we have the anniversary and it happens what i said, and that's the problem for hear useless crying from people that only are greedy.

    Weekly or Monthly event sould give small bonus to the players and main years event should be like "fu c k it, we are going to be overboard about prices". But after several mongos and kyras giving enought rewards to be afk for a year now the events we have don't look apealing at all.

    I hope EME learns about this kind of things.

    Honestly, this is a big part of the problem. A lot of the things they're doing with this anniversary are specifically because of the lessons learned from other recent events that had massive problems. Hence, no general open world stuff (too exploitable), no mass amount of consumables (already been devalued enough), careful about how much to put in what content (so that people don't farm the easiest dungeon ad nauseum), not only limiting it just to a day/weekend (so people don't complain they missed it), and so on. And of course the pendulum swung too far the other way now trying to address all these concerns. And as you say, with Anniversary people expected like this giant blow-out event that is amazing, but the past events were so broken that there's no comparison. We've had many a forum thread about "EME stop making broken events" but now they're broken the other way -- they're not exciting/fun.
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    counterpoint wrote: »
    vkobe wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    allofspaceandtime wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    allofspaceandtime wrote: »
    why isn't tera eu or tera jp restricted like we are? why cant we have the same things they have. if they have so much freedom within their games why cant we? is it because the people at eme don't have the knowledge to program or whatever it is?
    Can you give an example? If you mean the anniversary, for instance, they did it this way by choice not because their hands are tied. As far as I know, JP and EU have all the same restrictions we do, and EME can do anything JP/EU do if they wanted to.
    and that is one of the reasons why people are unhappy with tera atm. if they could give us the same things that the others have but didn't, does that mean they care that little for us and not have to try as hard?
    Like what? For example, they're not doing blue box events because they're too easily exploited in our region. Other regions have a different prize structure where they don't care if they get devalued (because different things are more in demand, and they've made them untradeable). If they literally gave the same thing here as they have in other regions, people would almost certainly say the events aren't worth it because the expectations here are different (based on the previous events we've had and the value of consumables).

    I don't think it's that EME tried less hard for the anniversary than other regions; for example, EU just threw every single event on a calendar with prize pool of untradeable consumables (because they're all valuable there compared to here) and a huge RNG train to get anything truly valuable and called it a day. Not sure they really "tried harder." Now, whether people are happy with what was created is another story. (I do think the anniversary events here are a flop, not in small part because of how they started and how poorly advertised they were. The only thing people noticed was the golden gift boxes and just said nope; they should have led with the in-game events right from the start...)

    i just asked we have something like the tera letter for this anniv at least it is better than nothing and our dear CM is unable to just give us this little thing, so how you want we trust him ?

    he just give us more reasons to quit tera every day

    Okay, so what should the prizes be? I mean, they can't literally do the T-E-R-A event because they already told people it was safe to throw out their letters. They probably could do an event like it, but the big question is always what the prizes should be so that a) people will think it's fun, b) it won't be so overly exploited that the prizes are meaningless, c) it won't be so much more lucrative than actually playing the game itself, and d) it won't hurt the in-game economy more than it has already been hurt by past events.

    i can live with another jadeheart dragon, at least with letter we could made some fun in global and keep us busy in open area or give us reason to leveling alt

    and i confirm you defend more enmasse interest than tera players ;)
  • 5H96Y49G6D5H96Y49G6D ✭✭✭
    vkobe wrote: »
    ... i confirm you defend more enmasse interest than tera players ;)

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  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    5H96Y49G6D wrote: »
    vkobe wrote: »
    ... i confirm you defend more enmasse interest than tera players ;)

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  • AyiAyi ✭✭✭
    Wait so we're getting another director?
  • counterpointcounterpoint mod
    edited May 2017
    vkobe wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    vkobe wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    allofspaceandtime wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    allofspaceandtime wrote: »
    why isn't tera eu or tera jp restricted like we are? why cant we have the same things they have. if they have so much freedom within their games why cant we? is it because the people at eme don't have the knowledge to program or whatever it is?
    Can you give an example? If you mean the anniversary, for instance, they did it this way by choice not because their hands are tied. As far as I know, JP and EU have all the same restrictions we do, and EME can do anything JP/EU do if they wanted to.
    and that is one of the reasons why people are unhappy with tera atm. if they could give us the same things that the others have but didn't, does that mean they care that little for us and not have to try as hard?
    Like what? For example, they're not doing blue box events because they're too easily exploited in our region. Other regions have a different prize structure where they don't care if they get devalued (because different things are more in demand, and they've made them untradeable). If they literally gave the same thing here as they have in other regions, people would almost certainly say the events aren't worth it because the expectations here are different (based on the previous events we've had and the value of consumables).

    I don't think it's that EME tried less hard for the anniversary than other regions; for example, EU just threw every single event on a calendar with prize pool of untradeable consumables (because they're all valuable there compared to here) and a huge RNG train to get anything truly valuable and called it a day. Not sure they really "tried harder." Now, whether people are happy with what was created is another story. (I do think the anniversary events here are a flop, not in small part because of how they started and how poorly advertised they were. The only thing people noticed was the golden gift boxes and just said nope; they should have led with the in-game events right from the start...)

    i just asked we have something like the tera letter for this anniv at least it is better than nothing and our dear CM is unable to just give us this little thing, so how you want we trust him ?

    he just give us more reasons to quit tera every day

    Okay, so what should the prizes be? I mean, they can't literally do the T-E-R-A event because they already told people it was safe to throw out their letters. They probably could do an event like it, but the big question is always what the prizes should be so that a) people will think it's fun, b) it won't be so overly exploited that the prizes are meaningless, c) it won't be so much more lucrative than actually playing the game itself, and d) it won't hurt the in-game economy more than it has already been hurt by past events.

    i can live with another jadeheart dragon, at least with letter we could made some fun in global and keep us busy in open area or give us reason to leveling alt
    A lot of people complained about Jadeheart Dragon back in the day. It got to the point where they were so useless that it devalued all other mounts in the game. So I'm not sure Jadeheart dragon is really the best example. Maybe they won't care about the Anniversary car because it's a land mount in a flying mount game now, but I suspect they will want people to do something more than buy it for 500g on the broker.

    (And, well, if people still haven't figured out why I'm doing what I'm doing, it's pointless to explain it. If you really don't think I'm on the players' side, then no one is defending you at all.)
  • MoeBunnyMoeBunny ✭✭✭
    Noesis is leaving? Whered this info come from
  • counterpointcounterpoint mod
    MoeBunny wrote: »
    Noesis is leaving? Whered this info come from

    It was on Friday's stream. See also:
    https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/146385/#Comment_146385
  • MidokuPastaMidokuPasta ✭✭✭✭
    SAIXUNO wrote: »
    NikuroTega wrote: »
    LesbianVi wrote: »
    xoBarb wrote: »
    LesbianVi wrote: »
    xoBarb wrote: »
    he was here for years?

    no he did things for us we wanted for years.

    Oh what did he do though that we wanted done for years? costumes/new potions/more p2w mounts/leveling events/kyras

    ?

    you are a negative troll, are you blind? no need to discuss with trolls, leave Tera if you are so f...ing negative and angry. If it has nothing and it is not improving, why you are here and crying, what did you do for Tera beside crying? Some players here gave feedback and ofc constructive threads. get your hatred somewhere else.

    Umm, LesbianVi...

    I really think you need to get yourself checked. The Dhrizzit virus seems to be strongly rampant inside of you. >.>

    A new lord has risen, all hail Dhrizzit 2.0!

    As I recall LesbianVI is his friend, considering she attacked me for calling him a cry baby lol
  • DarJirDarJir ✭✭
    Who's going to be the replacement? Can't you just promote some lower people so the head dude isn't learning on the job in a critical month? Will the old crew band together and push the new guy to go to BH to push for native support for 3rd party innovations (predictive tech, dps meter, fov and graphic/performance improvements) So many questions.

    To OP: The quickest way to sabotage your own thread to troll in it, or accuse other people of trolling. From the outside looking in, it seems like you did both. On the first page. Eventually you'll just get a negative following, and the people that don't want to bother will just ignore what you write.
  • allofspaceandtimeallofspaceandtime ✭✭✭✭✭
    I expect to see halrath taking his place. reason I think this, is because he was introduced on the twitch stream, and talking about working under noesis. coincidence? who knows, cause less than a month later, noesis leaves.
  • counterpointcounterpoint mod
    DarJir wrote: »
    Who's going to be the replacement? Can't you just promote some lower people so the head dude isn't learning on the job in a critical month? Will the old crew band together and push the new guy to go to BH to push for native support for 3rd party innovations (predictive tech, dps meter, fov and graphic/performance improvements) So many questions.

    They said on Friday's stream that someone would take over temporarily which they'd announce this week, but they're also going to be looking to hire a new product manager. I guess we'll see...
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