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Player Council Application

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  • HysphericalHyspherical ✭✭✭
    I'd say props to EME for finally doing this if they pull through on it.
  • JuudeJuude ✭✭✭
    sestina wrote: »
    I do wonder why these people with so much hate on this game is still playing. They act like they are trying to help but the forum is like their stress reliving place to vent. We should be seeing this as an opportunity rather than doing nothing.

    ...

    Ahhhh who am I kidding! *rants rants like Judde it's gonna fail blah blah*

    Of course Player Council is not going to make every community happy anyways but the ones that matter will make all the difference.

    It ain't a rant wise [filtered], it's reality. I'm simply trying to minimize the damage and expectations. If people expect this to be a fix for everything, in the long run it'll be terrible and cause those people to quit the game. It's best to expect little from this so you don't end up very dissapointed and leaving the game.
  • Are you guys seriously planning to start an argument here .-.
  • ArinovaArinova ✭✭✭
    Indeed, Counterpoint is very informative and mature. I can definitely see him as a candidate for a councilor. Their job is to make the forums a welcoming place, and what better way than to have an already famous and known forum-er.
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  • UltemeciaUltemecia ✭✭✭
    edited May 2016
    Juude wrote: »
    sestina wrote: »
    I do wonder why these people with so much hate on this game is still playing. They act like they are trying to help but the forum is like their stress reliving place to vent. We should be seeing this as an opportunity rather than doing nothing.

    ...

    Ahhhh who am I kidding! *rants rants like Judde it's gonna fail blah blah*

    Of course Player Council is not going to make every community happy anyways but the ones that matter will make all the difference.

    It ain't a rant wise [filtered], it's reality. I'm simply trying to minimize the damage and expectations. If people expect this to be a fix for everything, in the long run it'll be terrible and cause those people to quit the game. It's best to expect little from this so you don't end up very dissapointed and leaving the game.

    It's ironic that you say want to prevent players from leaving the game, but when you shoot down the very thing that EME is attempting you have the same effect. Imagine if you were a new player and you saw this while looking around the forums deciding whether or not you wanted to play. If I was a new player I'd look at your negativity and go "[filtered], better steer clear of this game."

    The best thing to do is hope for the best, and be productive in fixing an issue if one does arise. You don't just not do something because you think it might fail. If that was the case most of the greatest achievements the world have ever seen would have never been brought to fruition.
  • edited May 2016
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    Juude wrote: »
    Mojomanx wrote: »
    This isn't the way to go
    You put 10 people on this so called council and YOU KNOW 8 are going to abuse it.
    I'll tell them when to shove it .
    The downfall of the forums is all your gonna get
    There is a way to avoid this. Only put people on the council that have previous experience as being a moderator, admin, or a higher rank on various forums or private servers etc.

    Having past experience doesn't mean you aren't going to be corrupt. It just means they might do the job better, but that's it. Experience or not, they're human and may or may not make mistakes.
    Even if you don't "make mistakes", people will still accuse you of being corrupt no matter what you do. It's the nature of perceived authority figures. Sooner or later you'll have to do something that goes against public opinion -- even if it's within the rules and consistent with standard practice -- and people will turn against you. And because typically moderation decisions are kept private, the moderators can't openly defend themselves against false accusations, so you only get one-sided stories. Plus, as moderation rules forbid discussing moderation, any threads that discuss it would themselves be deleted, furthering the perception that there's "something to hide" even if -- again -- it's just standard practice to delete such threads. This will further the divide between "the people" and "the council".

    The only thing that can stand against this is clear, unambiguous guidelines about the actions the player council demi-mods are expected to take (so that everyone can see clearly what they're supposed to do), and the fact that ultimately EME staff (like Spacecats) are the only ones who can take the real moderation actions (like warnings/infractions/bans). So basically the player council are more like "Traffic Cops" (Crossing Guards?) than "Judges", and anything minor they do can be appealed up the chain of command. The less authority they have and the more "procedural" their actions, the less subject to accusation they'll be.
  • HysphericalHyspherical ✭✭✭
    edited May 2016
    EDIT - Please stay on topic.
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    Juude wrote: »
    Mojomanx wrote: »
    This isn't the way to go
    You put 10 people on this so called council and YOU KNOW 8 are going to abuse it.
    I'll tell them when to shove it .
    The downfall of the forums is all your gonna get
    There is a way to avoid this. Only put people on the council that have previous experience as being a moderator, admin, or a higher rank on various forums or private servers etc.

    personally my choice will be limited to yosha, espeir, zokhanal and counterpoint, i dont trust other members
  • This has potential, and I've seen something like this done on another forum site, but it has it's down sides, which have been highlighted by people in previous posts.
    Personally, I would of thought that the applicants that apply are chosen as "nominees", and then the forum members would then vote on who they would want to see on the council. That way, in my opinion, forum users would be more at ease as to who has the privileges.
    Also, I hope that with this, pressing issues will get seen to a lot faster. I guess we will have to see how this plays out.

    Good luck to those who apply. :+1:

    The similar scheme I saw only lasted a couple weeks in the end.
  • HysphericalHyspherical ✭✭✭
    vkobe wrote: »
    personally my choice will be limited to yosha, espeir, zokhanal and counterpoint, i dont trust other members
    Well I see counterpoint on forums a lot but why are the others so special? O.o
  • SylvietteSylviette ✭✭✭
    You don't need to give council member any privilege on the forum. What the Player council should be is where a group of players with great experience and knowledge about the game to sit together and discuss about solving problem in game without personal bias and submit the final solution to be reviewed by EME, in other words, the bridge between EME and the player base. We don't need players as mods for the forum, and I bet truly dedicated players don't want to get picked just to come up everyday cleaning trash threads either.

    The incoming event is the perfect example of why we need such a system. Double drop and enchanting bonus just 2 weeks into the new patch will effectively shorten the patch's life, and with the current feedstock issue this event would make even more of a mess. If we have a council with access to 1 hidden sub forum, EME can just post a topic "what do we need for the next event ?" or "is this gonna work ?" and we can have players with good understanding of the game to discuss. EME will be the one with the final decision.

    There will nolonger be a situation like, Treeshark saw someone posted a wall of text blaming this and that, thus decided he has to do something to make the player feel better and posted something like "ok I'll see what I can do", and every single posts after everyone quote that and force him to do it despite it might screw up the game. A president granting request from a normal citizen sounds fantastic and works great as a promotion, but it won't matter if in the end the country is negatively affected.
  • MuiMui ✭✭
    I fail to see how assembling TERA's rendition of the Avengers to alleviate En Masse's lack of communication with its playerbase will be more productive than just sitting down and having a sincere discussion on an open forum. That's like recruiting a child to relay verbal messages to your angry, not-talking-to-you-right-now spouse at the other end of the dinner table. You're exacerbating the issue, not solving it.

    Besides, does En Masse really need help figuring out what's wrong? Do they really need help with moderation? They know what's going on. They see it. They know what they have to do; they just have to, y'know, actually do it.

    This is just a very clever ruse designed to deflect fault and culpability, just another system of control. Very soon, we'll all be fighting and arguing amongst ourselves about who should and shouldn't be on the council, we'll all be pointing fingers and calling names, we'll all lose what little trust we had in each other, and nothing will ever get done. Just by glancing over the last couple pages of this thread, I can see it's already begun.

    That said, I endorse counterpoint for councilor. He posted pictures of the Ninja outfits. He's a hero.
  • HysphericalHyspherical ✭✭✭
    edited May 2016
    Mui wrote: »
    I fail to see how assembling TERA's rendition of the Avengers to alleviate En Masse's lack of communication with its playerbase will be more productive than just sitting down and having a sincere discussion on an open forum.
    Just like the forums we already have that's filled with whining. yaaay

    But really they just need some players that they can trust the opinions of. Players that will be fair even if they could manipulate to their own gains. Like if they really need to know how bad the feedstock issue is, instead of listening to the childish forum posts and global ranting they could ask knowledgable and trustworthy representatives. I think this is what we all have in mind but I highly doubt it's what we'll end up with.

    Remember when Yosha told eme directly about how bad the titan's ember supply was going to be way before it happened? We need exactly that type of communication but we need eme to listen to it.

    Also there's a typo in the original post:
    "(We're are looking at ways to distinguish Player Council members with a badge or unique avatar.)"
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    vkobe wrote: »
    personally my choice will be limited to yosha, espeir, zokhanal and counterpoint, i dont trust other members
    Well I see counterpoint on forums a lot but why are the others so special? O.o

    zokhanal is better than us for tera lore

    are you serious for yosha and espeir ?
  • HysphericalHyspherical ✭✭✭
    vkobe wrote: »
    vkobe wrote: »
    personally my choice will be limited to yosha, espeir, zokhanal and counterpoint, i dont trust other members
    Well I see counterpoint on forums a lot but why are the others so special? O.o

    zokhanal is better than us for tera lore

    are you serious for yosha and espeir ?
    Yes I'm being serious. When's the last time you've seen them on forums?
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