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  • Give money for more 'events' :^)
  • TWMagimayTWMagimay ✭✭✭✭✭
    Angeline wrote: »
    Halrath wrote: »
    Hey, I'm sorry about the lack of communication on this. The Quiz Bowl event is bugged and we've been pushing for a fix, but it hasn't arrived yet and won't be deployed during the anniversary event.

    W-what? Why are you all waiting on some imaginary fix from our neglectful Korean overlords when there are at least a dozen, honestly better, ways to facilitate a trivia / quiz style event that have little to no in-game component.
    Well... the whole point was to use the in-game feature that BHS built for this very sort of thing that could be open to everyone on all servers. If it was just as an event to do as a stream event for limited teams, you're right they could have done it any time... but that was never the intention.

    You're right. This is great example why both BHS and EME are horrible at their jobs. I'm glad you could chime in with your surprisingly good example of why they cannot handle even the smallest tasks. Obviously doing absolutely nothing of worth and putting on this wonderfully lackluster event that has been so utterly lauded by the community was a win. Thank you again for excellent insight and counterpoint against five years of mounting evidence as to my point - your average gamer with a pulse and some semblance of brain function could have held a decent event.

    The point was that a one-time event that would only benefit a few select people is not a substitute for a global event that would benefit everyone on all servers. Yes, obviously they should have come up with a different event when that one didn't work. But coming up with some other lesser way of doing a quiz event as if everyone were really counting on a quiz event specifically is besides the point. It being a quiz doesn't matter. It being something for everyone to do besides farming dungeons/battlegrounds is what matters, and what everyone was mad about all along. That's exactly what I sent to EME when summarizing everyone's complaints.

    Don't take it out on me. I've told them what I and other players wanted this whole time.

    I'm not sure why a regular quiz event wouldn't be something "anyone" could participate in. I'm also not sure what you thought people were expecting. Is there some information on that superspecial event that I'm not aware of that'd create some sort of cross-server all-times every-player event expectation?
  • AngelineAngeline ✭✭✭
    Angeline wrote: »
    Halrath wrote: »
    Hey, I'm sorry about the lack of communication on this. The Quiz Bowl event is bugged and we've been pushing for a fix, but it hasn't arrived yet and won't be deployed during the anniversary event.

    W-what? Why are you all waiting on some imaginary fix from our neglectful Korean overlords when there are at least a dozen, honestly better, ways to facilitate a trivia / quiz style event that have little to no in-game component.
    Well... the whole point was to use the in-game feature that BHS built for this very sort of thing that could be open to everyone on all servers. If it was just as an event to do as a stream event for limited teams, you're right they could have done it any time... but that was never the intention.

    You're right. This is great example why both BHS and EME are horrible at their jobs. I'm glad you could chime in with your surprisingly good example of why they cannot handle even the smallest tasks. Obviously doing absolutely nothing of worth and putting on this wonderfully lackluster event that has been so utterly lauded by the community was a win. Thank you again for excellent insight and counterpoint against five years of mounting evidence as to my point - your average gamer with a pulse and some semblance of brain function could have held a decent event.

    The point was that a one-time event that would only benefit a few select people is not a substitute for a global event that would benefit everyone on all servers. Yes, obviously they should have come up with a different event when that one didn't work. But coming up with some other lesser way of doing a quiz event as if everyone were really counting on a quiz event specifically is besides the point. It being a quiz doesn't matter. It being something for everyone to do besides farming dungeons/battlegrounds is what matters, and what everyone was mad about all along. That's exactly what I sent to EME when summarizing everyone's complaints.

    Don't take it out on me. I've told them what I and other players wanted this whole time.

    YOU are missing the point entirely, as usual. Shield your eyes from that glint coming off your armor for a few seconds, and try to read this:

    The point isn't that we want certain kinds of events or events executed in certain ways, we just want EME to do what they say they're going to do. Stop telling us you're doing things, EME, (cough reducing lag coughcough) and do them.] It's common practice in the professional world.

    On the subject of professionalism, the point here that literally anyone could have come up with fun events that don't require grinding, BHS "fixes," or open-world BAM events that generate 12 pages of "thanks for breaking the economy." I'm fairly sure that it's at least a part of Spacecat's job to create these events, yet he did not.

    Tera's community is 6 feet under and getting deeper all the time. The anniversary was an incredible opportunity to re-engage players, to rebuild some of what was lost during 3rd-partygeddon, and for EME to prove that they are still devoting time and energy to this game.

    It's a damn shame.

    Also, please stop "summarizing everyone's complaints." As I said, it appears that you're missing the mark.
  • edited May 2017
    Angeline wrote: »
    Also, please stop "summarizing everyone's complaints." As I said, it appears that you're missing the mark.
    For whatever little it's worth: You keep talking about "the professional world," but telling them that "literally anyone" could have come up with better events (and basically that you think they're lazy and incompetent) is not professional. That may be the way you feel, but that's not constructive. If the problem is that they're not "devoting time and energy to this game," that's a management prioritization decision in the first place and not really up to them. We already know that the TERA community team went down from 3 full-time people to a much-of-the-time 1. The only thing we can do to work with these people is to provide actual feedback about exactly what's wrong and suggestions on how to improve it. So, I would respectfully submit that I'm not missing the mark; I'm aiming for a target that can actually be hit. If you really think that's what needed to fix the problem is more blame and shame (as if there isn't already plenty of that going on), do as you wish.
  • StevenAnthonyStevenAnthony ✭✭✭✭
    MrWheeler wrote: »
    Give money for more 'events' :^)

    im agree :awesome:
  • TWMagimayTWMagimay ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm aiming for a target that can actually be hit.

    Can it though? When the event ends, I'll show you the exact result I predicted(repeatedly) 3 weeks ago that just...didn't seem to matter at all to anyone.
  • DelusoDeluso ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Angeline wrote: »
    ....

    Literally how things going on now.

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  • 5H96Y49G6D5H96Y49G6D ✭✭✭
    Angeline wrote: »
    Also, please stop "summarizing everyone's complaints." As I said, it appears that you're missing the mark.
    For whatever little it's worth: You keep talking about "the professional world," but telling them that "literally anyone" could have come up with better events (and basically that you think they're lazy and incompetent) is not professional. That may be the way you feel, but that's not constructive. If the problem is that they're not "devoting time and energy to this game," that's a management prioritization decision in the first place and not really up to them. We already know that the TERA community team went down from 3 full-time people to a much-of-the-time 1. The only thing we can do to work with these people is to provide actual feedback about exactly what's wrong and suggestions on how to improve it. So, I would respectfully submit that I'm not missing the mark; I'm aiming for a target that can actually be hit. If you really think that's what needed to fix the problem is more blame and shame (as if there isn't already plenty of that going on), do as you wish.

    skimmed but 411 u white knight WAAAAAAY too much to the point its comical hence if you see there responses as antagonistic its due to your historical hypocritical bias and empty rebuttals. As well as using straw-mans to isolate one point in former's argument while ignoring the rest to make you appear in the right when to be frank that's just crap discourse and dare say not any would take those simplistic retorts seriously.

    Just saying.

    Also quit interpreting what other people say like "you feel" xyz BS and then focus on how you think xyz feels. Even if its true that isn't what the person said but feel free to put your words in there mouths to make your argument. The fact you've never been called out on this shows how [filtered] the forum's have fallen.
  • AngelineAngeline ✭✭✭
    Angeline wrote: »
    Also, please stop "summarizing everyone's complaints." As I said, it appears that you're missing the mark.
    For whatever little it's worth: You keep talking about "the professional world," but telling them that "literally anyone" could have come up with better events (and basically that you think they're lazy and incompetent) is not professional. That may be the way you feel, but that's not constructive. If the problem is that they're not "devoting time and energy to this game," that's a management prioritization decision in the first place and not really up to them. We already know that the TERA community team went down from 3 full-time people to a much-of-the-time 1. The only thing we can do to work with these people is to provide actual feedback about exactly what's wrong and suggestions on how to improve it. So, I would respectfully submit that I'm not missing the mark; I'm aiming for a target that can actually be hit. If you really think that's what needed to fix the problem is more blame and shame (as if there isn't already plenty of that going on), do as you wish.

    Ok, let's try a metaphor. Let's imagine that EME is a restaurant. Join me, will you?

    One day, EME (the restaurant) puts out a sign advertising that they're serving the most amazing dish. In fact, it's a special dish! The restaurant has been open for exactly five years, and this is going to be the most delicious dish they've ever served.

    A customer walks by, sees the sign, and decides to pop in. She's seated and asks for what was advertised.

    After waiting for a week (wait wasn't the anniversary 7 days ago don't worry about that part the food's still good), the waiter waltzes out of the kitchen and serves the customer a can of low-budget cat food. Like, not even Fancy Feast. Store brand cat food.

    The customer, visibly confused, inquires about the advertised dish. "Oh, it's coming later this month," says the waiter. The customer is patient, she can wait a few more weeks, as long as the promised dish will arrive at some point.

    So, the customer returns to EME's restaurant and again orders the advertised dish. This time? Cat food with like some dried bits of herbs sprinkled over top.

    "I wanted the anniversary dish," complains the customer. "Can I speak to a manager?"

    The manager shuffles over, and the customer, still trying be understanding, asks about the special dish.

    "Oh, we couldn't make it," says the manager. "Our special-dish-making-machine didn't arrive from Korea."

    "This is a restaurant, though, isn't it?" asks the customer. "Don't you have other ways of making that dish? Surely there are a lot of tools and equipment back there in the kitchen."

    "Yeah," replies the manager. "But we really wanted to use the special machine."

    Annoyed, the customer huffs, "Well... could you at least make me something else good to eat? I don't want this cat food. Here are some ideas of things I like to eat."

    Manager: "I can see you're upset about not having the special dish. What if the cat food cost less? Or what if there was a whole table of cat food? What if the cat food was hidden all over the restaurant and you had to go and find it?"

    Customer: "I don't want any of that. I'm hungry; I want actual food."

    Manager: "Woah, woah, let's not get hostile. The chef is trying his best."

    Customer: "He is a chef though, right? It's his job to make food? And it's your job to manage this restaurant? Surely with your combined skills and equipment, you could serve me something acceptable to eat?"

    Customer at the next table: "Hey, don't blame the restaurant for not serving the dish they advertised! Why are you being so unprofessional?"

    END SCENE.

    So there you go. LITERALLY ANYONE could have served a better dish than this restaurant, and you certainly don't tell the customer she is being "unprofessional" in this scenario. The onus is not on the customer to "help" EME, it's on them to provide products and services that make customers want to come to their restaurant.

    It's also absurd to say that the "only thing we can do" is to just keep eating at Restaurant EME, and maybe if we state our feedback nicely enough, they'll hear what we're trying to say.

    Take this metaphor a little further with me. Let's imagine that Restaurant EME has fallen on some hard times. The Yelp reviews are horrific. The manager yelled at some people. It's on YouTube - really embarrassing stuff. Wouldn't you think that this restaurant would want to do anything it could to restore its reputation? To get people to come back to the restaurant and enjoy themselves again? As a customer, I'm not only angry that I was served cat food, I'm shocked at the restaurant's choices, given their recent history.

    What's your mark, counterpoint? Would you like your cat food slightly warmed up? I want what was advertised, and I honestly don't care what's going on in the kitchen or in the chef's personal life. I am certainly tired of excuses as to why the cat food isn't Restaurant EME's fault. You should be, too.

    *reposted bc edits got caught up in "approval filter"*
  • Haggard86Haggard86 ✭✭✭✭
    All I could think while reading that was Amy's baking company lol. But I do completely agree with you though.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Angeline

    Nothing of the sort.

    Do you even owns a restaurant because my family does and I have been supervising it since seversl years.

    1. Your point lacks of everything as I compare you with an unreasonable customer that has been served a gourmet dish but you haven't developed your taste to enjoy it and you call it cat food, make a rant and insult many customers that are enjoying it.

    You insult my personal and try to make way to the kitchen trying to change the dish with for one to please your tasted calling everyone incompetente.

    You ignore to use the complains and suggestions form and your ruckus is causing the others clients to feel unconfortable.

    I rather kick you out from the restaurant and never come back that having a customer that have those kind of behaviour.

    Sorry to tell yoi this but applies on every bussiness, the sentence "the customer is always right" is nothing but a lie used for customers to try abusing the bussiness from others and the most logical way for a customere to act is to leave and return other time or don't come back at all.

    I had to deal with these kind of "disatisfied customers" and making them leave is better than trying to please them.

    Maybe is not much but having a restaurant where we have more than 5 thousands people assisting every week and having fun won't let me change my ways only for a few dozen that claims to be the opinion from everyone when they are clearly not.
  • rexoerexoe ✭✭✭
    you know this game is doing bad when it has to rely on events to keep its player base distracted from the lil content
  • TWMagimayTWMagimay ✭✭✭✭✭
    ElinUsagi wrote: »

    What are you two on about?! A restaurant would never be stupid enough to advertise "the best dish ever" because that's setting yourself up for a lot of negative reviews.
  • AngelineAngeline ✭✭✭
    TWMagimay wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »

    What are you two on about?! A restaurant would never be stupid enough to advertise "the best dish ever" because that's setting yourself up for a lot of negative reviews.

    Exactly.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    TWMagimay wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »

    What are you two on about?! A restaurant would never be stupid enough to advertise "the best dish ever" because that's setting yourself up for a lot of negative reviews.

    Well, is not like a restaurant haven't done something similar.

    We brag about "The best music live (for one gnere)", we brag about "the best food", we brag about "the best place to have fun" but that is marketing strategies. I am not really pleased with that way to word publicity but we reveive lots of provider's support on that aspect and they put their money on us and have faith in the bussiness. We have more than 10 years with this bussiness and being a local bussiness and being only one from several we have is quite interesting how marketing works for this kind.

    The only thing I could tell is that a restaurant and food is one of the worst comparisons I have ever seen in this game.

    This is not a food bussiness but an entertaiment bussiness, you will try to keep the most audience posible and grab the most money you can from them but you can't think to please everyone because there are several diference about enjoyment from people. You wil try to please the most people you can even if that makes many rant becuase they are too greedy and thinks your way of doing things are not good.

    The truth is that will never ends, it doesn't matter how much you try and it doesn't even matter if EME would come out with a better event than EU, there would be people hating everything EME does and that happened since the first year of this game, even before it went to F2P.

    What the new crew at EME needs to improve is their comunication and their schedules. Events are not that bad but if they tell us the very same day the event start how this event is going to be managed then that lead to disapointment, as many of you have said before, to create expectations is the worst thing a publisher could do becuase people will always get high expectations from that.

    Just look at the "TERA is going to consoles this 2017", look how much expectation makes and then time passes and we don't have any official about this project. Time continue passing and many hopes console version could be better than PC in regards of server stability, fps rates and many other things. They are creating many expectations from players that most likely will be crushed when the console version arrives.

    Same thing with the events, too much expectation to get disheartened at the very start from those.
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