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Noctenium Infusion Supply
Is nobody having noctenium supply issue at the moment?
I've talked to a bunch of friends of mine who actively does end game content, all of us have come to an agreement that noctenium infusions are depleting very quickly. At the moment VSHM yields almost no profit and fights can get pretty long ,which uses up a lot of nocteniums.
Harrowhold is soon to come, and it will require lots of noctenium infusions.
I think we need an event similar to tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/mongos-raid-potion-shack-catalysts-missing EXCLUDING the catalysts but instead, drops noctenium,strong canephora,strong bravery,etc (i've known ppl who missed the chance to farm their strong bravery/canephora too)
to my memory this event was hardly abused, and it requires actual effort searching for mongo to earn your rewards.
I've talked to a bunch of friends of mine who actively does end game content, all of us have come to an agreement that noctenium infusions are depleting very quickly. At the moment VSHM yields almost no profit and fights can get pretty long ,which uses up a lot of nocteniums.
Harrowhold is soon to come, and it will require lots of noctenium infusions.
I think we need an event similar to tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/mongos-raid-potion-shack-catalysts-missing EXCLUDING the catalysts but instead, drops noctenium,strong canephora,strong bravery,etc (i've known ppl who missed the chance to farm their strong bravery/canephora too)
to my memory this event was hardly abused, and it requires actual effort searching for mongo to earn your rewards.
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It's good if we can get an event to supply the players with more noctenium, such as mongo event. However I feel like there should be a more stable way to let player farm noctenium, such as normal drop in dungeon, or exchange from token (ace dungeon token, iod token, etc). To prevent the market abuse, the reward can just be untradable noctenium, such as Alliance Noctenium Infusion of Friendly Noctenium Infusion.
Its good to see someone who ask for some ways to get nocteriums putting some effort to get enought supply for their demand.
Pit of Petax and some Mid tier dungeons gives few nocs but as you stated is needed more ways to get them without them being handed without effort at all.
Sound quite interesting to be able to use IoD tokens and ACE shop to obtain them (tradeable version), maybe even put nocs at vanguard merchants could be also an option.
But I don't think we need a mongo like event for nocs only because some players don't want to do anything but HM dungeons.
I personally picked that event because it actually requires effort, players searching for the mongo itself,a break from dungeon spam and the loots arent shared via parcel in which i think it is something that is less likely to be exploited.
There was BAM event in it too but i hope that gets EXCLUDED because that is just exploitable with ppl afking and multiboxing and causing alot of lags to the servers with the BAM spam.
1. Vanguard quests
2. Pit of Petrax
3. Drops from Hard Dungeons (doesnt VSHM drop them?) i know HH20 will drop them.
In all honesty i dont spend as much of it since i do not use it for every little thing in the game. I dont use it for Vanguard bams, pit of petrax and the easy dungeons, since there is no point. Start saving them instead of mindlessly using them up and you will have more than needed.
I believe if given a good reason, Vanguard Credits could become the way to obtain lots of things for most players. If you look at the current state of the Vanguard Shops you will see many things that I am pretty sure no one buys from them. Those could be replaced for new items like nocteriums at a small amount (5 vg credits per noc sounds good to me).
If you take into account all the ways to get nocs and add a new way to obtain them you should keep thinking in ways to not overflow the market with them at a point were it would be most profitable to sell it to a merchant than trading them with another player.
I think EME and BHS could replace cruxes from mwa boxes and add nocs in stocks of 15-30-45.
I am sure that if people come togheter with a good way to get nocs in-game without relying in events EME could look into it and try to apeal for them.
I sold 30K Noct last 2 weeks, and I have around 10K right now. and I didn't include the bam event with Noct boxes. 3 players, which are dedicated hard core dg runners on CH each bought 10K each, 15-16K.
@Grimoir
A average VSHM run would cost any player from 400-800nocteniums depending on class in a 20-30m run.
Each boss should be around 200-400 nocteniums not amounting resets and wipes and with everybody well geared with VM8 or 9
Noctenium Returns from Vanguard.
Pit of Petrax - 75-140 noct (35x2 non-elite) or (35x4 elite)
VSHM - 280 noct
VSNM - 170 noct
VHHM - 170 noct
DFHM - 170 noct
TSNM - 170 noct
VHNM - 70 noct
BRNM - 70 noct
So with this list in mind, i could run the low level dungeon without nocteniums in hope for farming nocteniums slowly, about 3-5 VSNM to make up for 1 VSHM run.
outside of VSHM( to make up for this non profit runs) i do runs like VSNM/TSNM/IoD/Ace on about 8 toons daily and i still think noctenium supply is and issue, and the only place i use it is in VSHM for now and we have a Harrowhold coming in soon.
@ElinUsagi
Yeah i really hope they would consider that as well.
Do you even play this game? We dont want to waste more time doing OTHER dungs to resupply ourselves from the consumables spent on VSHM. We want VSHM to at least pay itself, is it that that hard to undertstand? Is that unreasonable to ask taking into account IT IS the current top dungeon? Have you ever heard of risk/reward?
VSHM pay itself in a mid time term, you get the best mats to craft the best gear and that gear can be sold at 500k without etchings per piece.
How skillfull are you to get the mats and make profit from them is another matter.
Even if you don't acknowlege it, if you need more consumables to finish faster a run is quite logical to work for them from other dungeons or game content.
I agree with those people who wants more ways to get extra nocs but I don't agree with people that says VSHM is not profitable enought in the current state the game is.
i agree there is a shortage... and you can buy it but a) not enough reasonably priced supply, and b) why would i want to drop even more gold so i can run a dungeon that won't make me any sort of profit at all?
doesn't make any sense. for time + money + skill = ????
it's funny too cause it's because of things like that that you have people asking for events all the time and "hand-outs" because actually playing the game and running the hardest content gets you nothing! unless you're a lucky [filtered] with recipe drop rng. you just feel cheated and unfulfilled.
So TLDR; we are talking out of experience and empirical testing, so if you want to contribute to this thread and community, dont come here spouting missinformation and nonsense, when you dont know or have proof for backing up what you're talking about.
Is people like you who gets these kind of threads being useless as you only make it a rant and you are not even contibuting with ideas for nocs supply.
Funny right?
I dont excessively spend on my toon and racechange/app change over some aethestic reason.
So before VSHM came, i have about 50,000 + noctenium infusion and 7k noctenium boxes
its barely week ONE or TWO since VSHM release, i am having about 90 total clears from all my toons, i 've already burnt at least 50k nocteniums that i've saved up, and i have never seen any weapon design. VSHM doesnt drop lakan boxes to re-sell.
got lucky with designs from TSNM ,but they go into my friends /guildies pocket. in hope to make runs smoother/faster for our VSHM runs; aka end game for now.
i have to run so much IoD/ace/other dungeon to make up the cost i've spent on VSHM, Designs are really rare and costly, a VM9 weapon atm would cost around 1m+ at the moment
I would assume HH is gonna come in a month or so, if i keep this VSHM farming up i would have NO nocteniums left, i have enough money to wipe the current broker but it will greatly raise the cost of noctenium infusion and it will STILL be a problem and making things worse.
atm i dont even feel like doing VSHM at all because the noctenium is getting scarce and expensive. its alot of time and grind just to make up the money i've lost. even if i do have full VM9 i probably wouldnt want to be bothered with running VSHM because it is so expensive already and no reason to run because i already all the mats i need minus the design.
tldr if some sort of steady or decent source of noctenium infusion can be implemented, it will keep player to be interested in playing and be ready until HH comes out.
I do agree there should be another way to get noctenium. As someone else said, maybe trade some boxes for IoD tokens or vanguard. The only reason why some players don't really say much it's because: 1. They don't do end game content, 2. We had some nocts from DSU farm before.
As Toufu said, we use more nocts than we get rewarded from a clear (not even 50% and I play slayer, a class that barely uses noct).
@Grimoir - They are saying, they only use noctenium for VSHM. I'm 100% sure no one uses noctenium in IoD or mid tier dungeons.