Noctenium Infusion Supply

KarmaTheAlligator · June 2017

Would it be worth investing into those noct potions from the vanguard merchant?

toufu · June 2017

@KarmaTheAlligator
Are you talking about the Uncommon Noctenium refiner, 700vg?
that would be 400 nocteniums + 700vg (for the uncommon noctenium refiner) = 10minutes of Uncommon Noctenium (aka blue noc)

An average boss fight is, 5-7minutes iirc, so you would need at least 2 Refined noctenium to run a complete dungeon. (800noctenium+ 1400vg)
And effect stays while you are moving, cant turn it off. might be do-able if everybody have VM9 however. But normal Noctenium would stil be more cost effective.

KarmaTheAlligator · June 2017

@toufu Yeah, I thought as much. Pity.

Grimoir · June 2017

@toufu

Harrowhold if you make the party right and distribute the parties right you can pass any dps check without noctenium. (given gear plays a factor). I mean getting misery is easy, and there are a lot of proper guides there so everyone should be able to pull of at least good dps.(reality sometimes begs to differ tho).

Pixelator · June 2017

If you got VSHM on farm-mode, you shouldn't even need to use noctenium except for maybe parse runs. Noctenium is not very cost efficient of a power boost. It averages out to around a 5% boost for most skills. So you're burning all that gold to shave 1 minute off a 20 minute run.

Shishao · June 2017

Grimoir wrote: »

@toufu

Harrowhold if you make the party right and distribute the parties right you can pass any dps check without noctenium. (given gear plays a factor). I mean getting misery is easy, and there are a lot of proper guides there so everyone should be able to pull of at least good dps.(reality sometimes begs to differ tho).

I think you never ran HH on the NA servers or you wouldn't say that

Reality:
Ktera got talents, every other region got consumables or even longer blue nocteniums handed out to them.
NA got lagging servers and bad consumables.

During HH even strong bravery wasn't a thing at the beginning. You couldn't clear with Guile at that time because noone would take you (except healers). And later we got a buff that applied in HH (power and endurance) so we can match the difficulty?

O.o you really live in a dream if you think anyone can even enter HH20 with misery equipment as a dps or even a tank in the first month
or worse misery using no noctenium

Akthanakos · June 2017

Ikr, LOL. I wish there was some special subforum for hardcore players where people could only post if they had met a certain requirement like skilled in all dungeons for example, there is alot of games out there that do this. It might seem rude for casuals, but honestly they have no right to participate in a discussion where they aren't knowledgeable of. Like in real life, if you're not an expert on lets say sport/politicts then your opinion is pretty much useless, hence why you only see experts or knowledgable people talking about such subjects on newpappers/television/magazines etc.

This is why BHS and alot of games devs out there seek the hardcore players opinion to discuss/test/decide aspects of the game, because they know if they were listen to casual they would be doomed, simply because casuals don't have a full understanding of the game.

So please, i ask kindly that people who havent cleared VSHM refrain from posting on this thread. We're here to simply rise this to the attention of EME because it is a real problem for people who actually run this dungeon, we're not here to seek your aproval or make pointless discussion/bickery with casuals.

LesbianVi · June 2017

Akthanakos wrote: »

Ikr, LOL. I wish there was some special subforum for hardcore players where people could only post if they had met a certain requirement like skilled in all dungeons for example, there is alot of games out there that do this. It might seem rude for casuals, but honestly they have no right to participate in a discussion where they aren't knowledgeable of. Like in real life, if you're not an expert on lets say sport/politicts then your opinion is pretty much useless, hence why you only see experts or knowledgable people talking about such subjects on newpappers/television/magazines etc.

This is why BHS and alot of games devs out there seek the hardcore players opinion to discuss/test/decide aspects of the game, because they know if they were listen to casual they would be doomed, simply because casuals doesnt have a full understanding of the game.

So please, i ask kindly that people who havent cleared VSHM refrain from posting on this thread. We're here to simply rise this to the attention of EME because it is a real problem for people who actually run this dungeon, we're not here to seek your aproval or make pointless discussion/bickery with casuals.

if you were so good at this game, you wouldn't be crying this hard over this. and also in like 10 days, you can salvage and have a lotta Noct boxes with Sun Festival. If you were really playing, you would know.

Also Noct is not necessary to run anything? You already have Bravery and battle, what that does Noct? Extra DPS, so it is not necessity but a luxury. Even during Alliance days it was sold around 1G each, now it is a bit higher not much. Real hard core players are buying their needed noct, they don't ask it on the forums.

If we weren't going to have Sun Festival which is a very easy and good source for Noct, I wouldn't oppose this much. But many gather around like 100K noct from Sun festival. Learn from them.

toufu · June 2017

@Grimoir .. sorry i cant reply to you, my brain hurts... and whomever who have over 30/50/100 + harrowhold clear runs is gonna .. feel my pain, thats just not gonna work. and 20man harrowhold is even more punishing , because it takes 1 death and its almost a guaranteed wipe.

@pixelator all the noct does not just cut 1minute from the dungeon, its way more than that, if you play the class right, burning through bosses at the right time and skipping mech it saves a hella lot of time. mechanic takes up time and opens up to more fatal attack encounter.

@LesbianIV
Can you answer my question in my previous post ,and yes @akthanakos is very good at this game. He has NO money issue and does lots of smart trade brokering and is constantly doing end game content. But as long as anybody who does end game content willl understand the point of my thread.

@LesbianVi Is it okay to answer these questions?

1.Have you cleared VSNM?
2. Have you cleared VSHM?
3. are the toons u use to do VSHM geared in misery, VM7,VM8, VM8.5 or VM9?
4. how many nocteniums do u use for VSHM per boss
5. what other consumables do u use during VSHM? (bulgogi, prime replenishment,recovery, 50% health pot, sarberry, divine infusion)
6. what other dungeons do u do besides VSHM, and long does it take for you to clear the dungeon or ?? minutes per boss , inclusive of maybe wipes and resets or clean runs
7. how many total runs do u have on VSHM from all of your toons
8. Do you use noctenium infusions at all?
9. Have you done any harrowhold?
10. Have you tried doing harrowhold without nocteniums?

I need to understand if you actually run dungeons in game and not just afking in game doing trade brokering and just randomly giving comments on forum.

ValiantCorvus · June 2017

@LesbianVi Until you have skilled experience at the end game dungeons, you don't have an opinion about anything about them

ElinUsagi · June 2017

@toufu

One more thing that could help several players about their nocterium suplies issue would be for blue noc efects to last 5 more minutes.

I know I am dreaming but another way to make nocs easier to get would be to add the mats needed from a gathering source and make them from crafting profesions.

It's such a waste how BHS removed that source to repenish nocteriums from game.

Haggard86 · June 2017

I would be ok with an option to spend iod tokens on noctenium. As of now, the only thing I spend them on is lakan scales, so if I had the option to get nocts I would, it's less gold income for me but it's less gold I have to spend so it would balance out. I would use the blue noctenium too if the refiner didn't cost as much vanguard creds.

Jenieve · June 2017

Lets make this clear everyone.

If you do not use consumables in VSHM the runs are an hour long and if the runs are 40-60minutes you do not have time to run any other dungeons since youve spent 4 hours in 1 dungeon. Now lets say you are using consumables and your runs are 25minutes average 4 runs is about 1.5-2 hours and yove spent aprox 5k noc + misc consumables.

You would have to run another 12 + runs of TS to recover your losses (about *3 hours* assuming u go back to back as fast as possible) That is NOT REASONABLE.

Deleted User · June 2017

LesbianVi wrote: »

Akthanakos wrote: »

LesbianVi wrote: »

You need more, then buy them with gold. That gold is not just there to buy pantsu.

I sold 30K Noct last 2 weeks, and I have around 10K right now. and I didn't include the bam event with Noct boxes. 3 players, which are dedicated hard core dg runners on CH each bought 10K each, 15-16K.

Do you even play this game? We dont want to waste more time doing OTHER dungs to resupply ourselves from the consumables spent on VSHM. We want VSHM to at least pay itself, is it that that hard to undertstand? Is that unreasonable to ask taking into account IT IS the current top dungeon? Have you ever heard of risk/reward?

do you even play this game? Can you make gold? Can you make 3K each day? that can be 1.5K Noct added to your daily Noct from broker.

Learn to play this game instead of making threads to get things. Play the game, earn stuff, you make threads to get stuff and then you say I even play the game? You can't supply yourself Noct and You tell me if I am even playing the game?

You are literally one of the most disgusting people on these forums. Were you not the person who posted about more rewards for IoD when it was already a handout?

Since we are getting there and hunt them to have something extra, would be nice in this time we get more reward points, because we all know it is a long, boring process normally, would be nice to have x1.5 or x2 reward points during event while we do those bams, just suggestion, no pressure. thanks for the event anyway.

It's just so funny to me how you dance in your pool of ignorance and hypocrisy. Take a step back from the forums. You really offer nothing of use here.

toufu · June 2017

@Jenieve *SMASHING THE LIKE BUTTON*

@ElinUsagi they have something of similar but also comes with increase cost of nocteniums :<
http://dakotera.tumblr.com/post/158998251911/ktera-330-patch-note

Item
Increased Refined Noctenium [Uncommon] effect duration from 10 min to 15 min
Increased number of Noctenium needed for Noctenium Refiner [Uncommon] from 400 to 500.

Noctenium Infusion Supply

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