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Noctenium Infusion Supply
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I can also do it without using nostrum, I can also do it without using 2 of the skills I usually use, but I'm not playing VSHM Challenge mode I'm running the dungeon for clears. If you want to clear VSHM 4-8 times a day with a party that doesn't want to clear in a decent time then more power to you.
Fact is BHS decided to make all these dungeons have a super buffed endurance which is making noctenium even more of a requirement if you want to keep your sanity yet they aren't introducing a proper way to maintain a noctenium supply which is what we're asking for from EmE. They previously changed BRHM and SCHM to drop noctenium/bravery boxes (albeit a super overpowered buff which caused problems for them later from BHS) and perhaps they could change VSHM's current loot to give a little bit more, seeing as EU has done it maybe if they don't go super OP drops we could get a noct box or two for the party (as in everyone gets a box or two, not a box or two to be shared) to help ease the costs.
How many hours does a day in your universe have?
Yeah, that's true, but when you get higher dps, higher aggro and things get faster why not use it?
I mentioned why I am opposing this right now, because in the current situation economy is so fudged and Noct is the only possible gold sink for hard core players and income for casual and newbies. If you look at prices I mentioned, you understand.
Those players have the right to use noct, there is no denying that, but for now and with Sun Festival coming up, we don't need to do anything about it, just that we need that f..ing revamped alliance on NA, for pvp, for gold sink, for crafting noct, for GE, SE and more.
nostrum dont are like nocterium,
Nostrums are intended to be a basic consumable that players can use all the time, which is why dungeons like KC have a tutorial system that tells players to use them. Noctenium just gives a small damage boost, one that experienced parties don't really need to clear content. What's next, complaining about the cost of lamb bulgogi?
why are people who haven't cleared VSHM even talking? stop wasting my time reading through your irrelevant crap
on a serious note, yes there needs to be additional noctenium from vshm. lowbies already can earn gold from Follower's and Lakan's chests (that vshm DOESN'T DROP) so that point is moot.
I dont even need a full party to do kc because it is a very easy dungeon?On the other hand, u can be fully geared in VM9 and have a party of 5 to know what they are doing and it would stil pack some sort of challenge. If you want to pick a comparison pick something closer like VHHM.
And nobody here is complaining about bulgogi please stay relevant to the topic
It's a reflection of what the developers had in mind when they designed consumables. They intended for nostrums to be standard for dungeons, and teach players this in low item level tutorial dungeons, while noctenium is just an optional bonus.
That is not true and you are taking a KC dungeon as a comparison, which is totally completely do-able with outdated mid tier gear, slaughter even. Attempting to do VSHM and Harrohold on a long term basis without noctenium would kill any sane person interest in playing the game. Have you done any of them on a daily basis without noctenium?
A party in mid tier gear with average skill and tier 2 etchings without using nocs takes around 30 mins to do VSNM or even more (no wipes), obviously the same party could take double that time to clear VSHM and wipes could be something common for then making even longer the run.
A party with VM8 or VM8.5 with tier 4 etchings and using nocs could do it in 20 minutes if they made a perfect run, however perfect is not some thing that is garantued to happen and it is even rare to achieve.
I really agree that running the actual high tier dungeons can distress or even stress the players becuase the amount of time needed to do them becuase we came from a patch were we needed half the time to do the high tier dungeons.
Spending double the time for doing the "top tier dungeons" than the previous patch for the same kind of rewards in present time is obvious something that will upset anyone but I think nerfs will come in a point in this season to those dungeons as we had on SSHM and DFHM seasons. Lets see what happens in the future but for now this topic about ways to get nocs are quite interesting and I hope there would be enought feedback to CM take it into account for future changes.
If running VSHM is too hard for you guys, don't jump on others, come to CH, run gold making stuff and RP
VS HM is a massive noct sink which is what makes it the most relevant aspect of the noct demand-supply conversation.