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Conflate is weak

shoetf2shoetf2
in PvP Discussion
Did weapon testing with conflate fists today. Outdamaged in every skill by tensus +15 fists. Any reason why this new pvp gear is worse than the one two patches ago?
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  • LeonfoxhoundLeonfoxhound ✭
    How was your testing method ? Conflate weapons for tanks have some poor base stats .
  • shoetf2shoetf2 ✭
    Back crits
  • SylvietteSylviette ✭✭✭
    Conflate for lancer and brawler only has 6% increased pvp dmg and no back pvp dmg, thus they're indeed weaker than other pvp gear.
    However with other dps it's 20% increased pvp dmg so it's pretty good.
  • shoetf2shoetf2 ✭
    There's a back damage rollable line on the fists, and it was still underdpsing when rolled.
  • gunnerysgt1gunnerysgt1 ✭✭
    edited May 2016
    It's decent, but I kinda regret not making Starfall before the patch, SF is the superior hybrid gear even at +12 (I really thought Conflate would be that)...

    Conflate in PVP is ok, but kinda sucks in PVE, barely on par with Slaughter.

    I thought the rolls would be universal like Slaughter and Starfall based on the info I read before patch, I don't get why there's so much grind for this gear (just slightly easier than Starfall imo) and it's PVP only, should've been hybrid...

    Brawler gets only 6% pvp dmg line on weapon heh, it's 20% for gunner...
  • Mobius1Mobius1 ✭✭✭
    Yeah, I don't know why they went and moved the PvP defense from boots to chest, either. That nerfed the boots and didn't improve the set, overall.

    They should have just added the bonus to the chest, but also kept it on the boots.
  • JBGamingJBGaming ✭✭✭
    I'm not sure Ktera knows what they are doing when it comes to things like this. The Accessories are worth it though. I would go for accessories than that gear. Imperator is supposed to be better than conflate anyway.
  • shoetf2shoetf2 ✭
    I have gear and accessories.
  • LeonfoxhoundLeonfoxhound ✭
    Just got my gunner Conflate weapon yesterday, and unless it has 0.3 CT power (along with 6% and 6.9% behind damage), my Tensus +15 surpass it in damage. Here i got a couple of screenshots, i used Arcane Barrage for the test and ofc it was backcrit.

    Conflate damage.

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    Tensus +15

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    I repeat, once the Conflate weapon has 0.3 CT power roll then it can surpass my tensus, but only by 1603 points using the same skill. That's not much of an upgrade if you ask me considering Conflate has over 10k more base attack (MW 3%) than the Tensus, plus you lose 14 CT factor and AS 9%. I even dare to say, Starfall gun is not better than my Tensus neither, would have to see some pics to convince myself is not like that.

    Oh btw, Conflate is indeed better if for any reason you miss backcrits, there was almost a 5k damage difference using my Arcane barrage hitting from the front. Still, i feel dissapointed, kinda feel i wasted my time getting the mats for this, but hey i didn't have to +15 this...
  • JuiJui ✭
    Would just like to point out that your conflate weapon isn't 3% like your tensus and your tensus has a pump etching :)
  • Mobius1Mobius1 ✭✭✭
    Are you attacking a player in that test?

    If you add up the numbers, your Conflate gets +26% PvP damage, +6% damage, and +6.9% damage from behind.

    Your tensus gets +12% PvP damage, +14 PvP attack, and +13.8% PvP damage from behind.

    We don't know exactly what % PvP attack is, but let's just say 7-10% for the sake of argument. That means that Conflate gets a total of +38.9% PvP damage. The tensus gets a total of +32.8-35.8% PvP damage.

    But the base damage of Conflate is significantly higher.

    This means that the extra power, and perhaps other factors, are making the difference, and not the weapon stats itself. Conflate IS better, period. The problem is with your test, and/or the extra power from etching.
  • SgtKittehSgtKitteh ✭✭
    I have conflate +12 3%, vs my tensus +14 3% on a regular AB back crit it does around ~10k more. AND my tensus is etched, so.

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    Think you should use crit power over attack speed.
  • JBGamingJBGaming ✭✭✭
    Gunnners are a range class. They should be doing crit power anyway
  • TatsuyaaaTatsuyaaa ✭✭
    Gunners/Brawlers should be doing crit damage since our hard hitting skills have very high crit rates.
  • MagraalMagraal ✭✭✭
    shoetf2 wrote: »
    Did weapon testing with conflate fists today. Outdamaged in every skill by tensus +15 fists. Any reason why this new pvp gear is worse than the one two patches ago?

    Because it takes a while to fix pvp gear. There was a lot of outrage about how +15 broke pvp. The only way to correct this is implement gear that performs equally as well as what already exists from prior patches (or only -slightly- better if you make eg. VM7), until eventually all the past gear is equal to what is currently easily available. Only once all gear performs approximately evenly in pvp, whether it's +15 VM or +12 mid-tier pvp gear, will pvp be 'fixed' back to what it was before +15 was introduced. Asking for BHS to continue introducing gear that drastically outperforms older gear every patch would only perpetuate the problems they introduced with a poorly-made decision.
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