[KTERA] [Dev Note] Gearing Progression Revamp TL;DR

saltedcaramel · June 2017

I don't mind the removal of the awakening system. The new gear progression system however is not exactly to my liking either from what i'm seeing. I'll have to wait for it to be formally introduced in ktera before I know for sure but as sanj said it looks like this new gear progression system renders HM content irrelevant.

I don't think these measures help newbies with gear elitism. If everyone's geared and I need to pug to fill a slot I would probably just take someone skilled in everything.

Dvsv · June 2017

sanj66 wrote: »

while i like the removal of the horrid awakening system, i dont like this one either, cuz with enough gold and mats you can blow through gear without doing any content. this is literally going to make content irrelevant, this is basically what people like chaos.glint, palomina and the other people who wanted talisman on the vhnm, tsnm and the bg jackpots wanted. bis gear with little to no effort, this system is more p2w than the current, swipe for emp, sell for gold and its even less gold now=bis gear, no effort. they should have included a retool where you still need mats from dungeons to retool the gear up into the next set. just seems like p2w scheme typically from nexon.

Nop.
Let's do the math:

+15 VM9 weapon on TB: ~1Mil gold atm
VM9 Weapon box on TB: ~800K gold
+15 VM8 weapon on TB: ~300K gold

U$100 = 14.400 EMP = ~648K gold (1:45 rate)
U$200 = ~1.3M gold, that's more than one +15 vm9 without a single effort put into the game, right now

@ topic: This new gear revamp is long overdue...
And tbh, i think it's already too late..
They should've done this ~2 years ago on Steam release.
Ik so many dedicated end game players that left this game cuz of cancer gear progression and awakening system.
By the time this update hits NA it will be early 2018, idk how many loyal player will still play this game...
BHS spent too much resource on broken gender locked classes and they forgot about their own game...

sanj66 · June 2017

Dvsv wrote: »

sanj66 wrote: »

while i like the removal of the horrid awakening system, i dont like this one either, cuz with enough gold and mats you can blow through gear without doing any content. this is literally going to make content irrelevant, this is basically what people like chaos.glint, palomina and the other people who wanted talisman on the vhnm, tsnm and the bg jackpots wanted. bis gear with little to no effort, this system is more p2w than the current, swipe for emp, sell for gold and its even less gold now=bis gear, no effort. they should have included a retool where you still need mats from dungeons to retool the gear up into the next set. just seems like p2w scheme typically from nexon.

Nop.
Let's do the math:

+15 VM9 weapon on TB: ~1Mil gold atm
VM9 Weapon box on TB: ~800K gold
+15 VM8 weapon on TB: ~300K gold

U$100 = 14.400 EMP = ~648K gold (1:45 rate)
U$200 = ~1.3M gold, that's more than one +15 vm9 without a single effort put into the game, right now

@ topic: This new gear revamp is long overdue...
And tbh, i think it's already too late..
They should've done this ~2 years ago on Steam release.
Ik so many dedicated end game players that left this game cuz of cancer gear progression and awakening system.
By the time this update hits NA it will be early 2018, idk how many loyal player will still play this game...
BHS spent too much resource on broken gender locked classes and they forgot about their own game...

you missed the point, the gold cost for bis will be lower in the new patch making it more p2w........or rather easier for wallet warriors to get bis gear. the current price for 1 gear piece basically would=an entire set of the new gear just enchanting with the gold yourself easily without doing any content.

sanj66 · June 2017

ElinUsagi wrote: »

Yamazuki wrote: »

sanj66 wrote: »

while i like the removal of the horrid awakening system, i dont like this one either, cuz with enough gold and mats you can blow through gear without doing any content. this is literally going to make content irrelevant, this is basically what people like chaos.glint, palomina and the other people who wanted talisman on the vhnm, tsnm and the bg jackpots wanted. bis gear with little to no effort, this system is more p2w than the current, swipe for emp, sell for gold and its even less gold now=bis gear, no effort. they should have included a retool where you still need mats from dungeons to retool the gear up into the next set. just seems like p2w scheme typically from nexon.

You can currently get mats without clearing dungeons, that part wouldn't be changing. The token exchange portion simply is factoring in KR's much lower supply and not NA's inflated resources.

You forgot to tell that you can get BiS gear without even doing dungeons and being AFK most of the time.

The P2W that peoples complain will stay P2W no matter how much any game company changes the way things are done.

it will but its will just be so much easier for them from the fact that it costs less, you can retool every gear piece, so yea more traps circulating in lfg....

ReaperElena · June 2017

Eh, where do you buy EMP that a $100 will get you 14,400? Even in the Tera store, $100 only converts to 12,000 EMP and rates are varied by servers but here in CH, it's 1:35 at the moment. $100 will get you 420,000 but how much of that will suffice in the future patches is grey atm. However, I do would like to know here to buy emp so I can get 14,400 instead of the normal 12k.

Palomina · June 2017

sanj66 wrote: »

this is basically what people like chaos.glint, palomina and the other people who wanted talisman on the vhnm, tsnm and the bg jackpots wanted. bis gear with little to no effort

I don't know whether you are just being ignorant or cannot comprehend what I was/am trying to say. I never wanted BiS gear with little to no effort but a feasible way obtain talismans. Talismans are required to make vm9 , they drop only in vshm , you don't find a vshm party unless you are +15 or skilled but nobody does learning runs and new/returning players don't start out with +15. Now please tell how the heck are newer and returning players supposed to obtain talismans? The way system works currently is, it requires you to be +15 already to be able to obtain +15 because none takes +12 dps/tanks for vshm parties and don't disagree with this because I have many guild mates,friends and people in general say the same in-game.

If I wanted BiS gear with little to no effort I would have complained about badges and banners too, but did I do that? I can actually find a vsnm party and therefore I am ready to farm it over and over to get the badges. I cannot say the same for vshm. I feel like they should have made it so that vsnm can drop either 1 badge or 1 talisman instead of 1 badge only. EME can conduct absolutely 0 vm mat giveaway events this way and I won't complain.

KarmaTheAlligator · June 2017

Palomina wrote: »

sanj66 wrote: »

this is basically what people like chaos.glint, palomina and the other people who wanted talisman on the vhnm, tsnm and the bg jackpots wanted. bis gear with little to no effort

I don't know whether you are just being ignorant or cannot comprehend what I was/am trying to say. I never wanted BiS gear with little to no effort but a feasible way obtain talismans. Talismans are required to make vm9 , they drop only in vshm , you don't find a vshm party unless you are +15 or skilled but nobody does learning runs and new/returning players don't start out with +15. Now please tell how the heck are newer and returning players supposed to obtain talismans? The way system works currently is, it requires you to be +15 already to be able to obtain +15 because none takes +12 dps/tanks for vshm parties and don't disagree with this because I have many guild mates,friends and people in general say the same in-game.

You can still get Ambush +15 without going anywhere near VSHM and I really doubt people are turning away those.

TWMagimay · June 2017

Y'all are speculating way to much. Untwist your panties, sit down and wait until there's more information.

Rapunzzel · June 2017

Poor players always compaining about rich player or irl people with money.
But hey intead of crying about EMP buyers; go get a work; work a week and get like 800usd.
Not that hard anyways.

Deleted User · June 2017

I love the dual option, and how gear is based on previous gear and that you don't need to sell it anymore. I already started debating whether to get VM gear at all because all the effort seems to be a waste at the end of 1 or 2 gear patches. You got some gold back for selling it in time, but that 's it.
I just really hope the gear progression is not as easy as it sounds; Not because I don't want "newbie" players to not have BIS gear, I don't really care about other players. But because for me, it takes away the excitement about it. I want to work for it, and be busy with the game for a bit, having a goal etc. Yeah that's probably just me;;
I'm still excited about it. A revamp means they still kinda care about their game. And I'm happy this monotone gear loop ended. Let's see how it turns out!
...And I hope it's worth keeping tons of stuff for the tokens x.x

Tewii · June 2017

@Palomina Then you make your own groups and accept +12 misery players like yourself. Or rely on your guild. Or network your friends. I know the concept is difficult to grasp but you should actually attempt to work slightly hard to get top tier VM mats.

But don't derail this thread like many others thanks.

As for this system, I'm on the fence. Which way I lean to depends on the validity of their statement that it'll be a better system.

Lapomko · June 2017

This is interesting. Just from this information the prices of dismantable mats on TB skyrocketed. Mes became 45G instead of 5-8G. Blessed 50-60g to 200g.

Palomina · June 2017

Rapunzzel wrote: »

Poor players always compaining about rich player or irl people with money.
But hey intead of crying about EMP buyers; go get a work; work a week and get like 800usd.
Not that hard anyways.

I usually refrain from insulting people but dang I must admit now you are pretty stupid.

I never complained about rich people , no idea from where did you pull that out. Unlike some people here who don't want to see other players progress , I don't care whether someone else is able to obtain his gear through purely p2w or by farming or by cheating or w/e as long as I can farm for my own gears in a reasonable way and in time period.

I already said multiple times I live in SEA. Working here for a week doesn't even nets 40usd that is , if you actually get lucky enough to find such a work for a 'week' because such jobs don't even exist over here.

[KTERA] [Dev Note] Gearing Progression Revamp TL;DR

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