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Differences i have noticed playing kTERA so far.

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  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    MiskuChan wrote: »
    vkobe wrote: »
    MiskuChan wrote: »
    well people still complain how is too hard farm in tera NA huehuehuehuehuehuehuehu

    Would you be willing to prove how easy it is? Make a brand new account and don't spend a single dollar on it, and let me know when you get full +15 and full etchings with the OP brooch. I'll let you off with the dyads.

    it is possible, but you trade $ for time

    Never said it was impossible but the time frame to do it is disgustingly unreasonable. Especially if you're a normal person who at max can spend just 4 hours a day and even that is hardcore to the majority of the player base.

    This game's gear and rng system alienates new players. I would be willing to get that you can probably count on one hand the amount of new players who got max gear this year, and I would also bet those people paid a fair amount of money.

    if i said time is mean, the player is veteran since at least 2 years and found time for kyra or mongo event, so this veteran got so many stuff with that and some of them just ignore the current VM stuff at this time to farm for the next VM stuff, for exemple a imperator player could ignore ambush and just farm for the death stuff, so instead to change armor every 6 months some players chose to change every year, it is what i said by use time instead money
  • MiskuChanMiskuChan ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Ardire wrote: »
    You're talking about completely min/maxing so.... of course that's going to take a disgusting amount of time? And probably some swiping as well if you're starting from complete zero. Having the best of the best isn't for everyone or otherwise it wouldn't be.... the Best. Mid tier gear exists for a reason.

    I'm just astonished you can come into a thread about how insanely over the top ktera's grind is and STILL complain about our more generous set up. Ktera players have to struggle to even +12 their misery, swiping is encouraged from the start, whilst fully enchanted mid tier gear, good accessories, level 2 etchings, decent brooch, etc, all these are completely viable for a casual player who never swipes. We should be pretty grateful for that.

    I love how you say 'of course that will take disgusting amounts of time', as though that's reasonable. Why shouldn't it be achievable for everyone? Because you said so? This type of attitude is what killed competitive PvP.

    We're not talking about things being gained through skill, it's just a time/money dump i.e. pay us $$$ or spend the equivalent of a full time job per week playing or you won't be able to competitively play against these people who just dumped $800 into the game and got it all in one day.

    It's also pretty hilarious how you think 'these people are screwed over more than us, therefore we should be happy' is a logical argument. There's always someone in the world who has it worse; just because they're screwed over x10 it doesn't mean being screwed over x5 is justifiable.

    So no one would be willing to prove to me how easy it is? Gee what a surprise.
  • edited July 2017
    MiskuChan wrote: »
    Ardire wrote: »
    You're talking about completely min/maxing so.... of course that's going to take a disgusting amount of time? And probably some swiping as well if you're starting from complete zero. Having the best of the best isn't for everyone or otherwise it wouldn't be.... the Best. Mid tier gear exists for a reason.

    I'm just astonished you can come into a thread about how insanely over the top ktera's grind is and STILL complain about our more generous set up. Ktera players have to struggle to even +12 their misery, swiping is encouraged from the start, whilst fully enchanted mid tier gear, good accessories, level 2 etchings, decent brooch, etc, all these are completely viable for a casual player who never swipes. We should be pretty grateful for that.

    I love how you say 'of course that will take disgusting amounts of time', as though that's reasonable. Why shouldn't it be achievable for everyone? Because you said so? This type of attitude is what killed competitive PvP.

    I personally don't think the gear grind should be a thing on the PvP side. But, on the PvE side, it's worth pointing out that end-game gear grind is one of the core PvE staples of nearly all modern MMOs. Working towards BiS is a key motivator that keeps people doing content on an on-going basis, which in turn helps newer players form parties to get their clears. I'm not saying it's the greatest model, and I definitely agree with playing content for the fun of it, but a lot of people seem to be driven by a feeling of being rewarded for doing content. If you remove the end-game gear grind, and so gut the demand for gearing-related items, what sort of rewards will be seen as valuable?

  • ArdireArdire ✭✭✭✭✭
    MiskuChan wrote: »

    I love how you say 'of course that will take disgusting amounts of time', as though that's reasonable. Why shouldn't it be achievable for everyone? Because you said so? This type of attitude is what killed competitive PvP.

    We're not talking about things being gained through skill, it's just a time/money dump i.e. pay us $$$ or spend the equivalent of a full time job per week playing or you won't be able to competitively play against these people who just dumped $800 into the game and got it all in one day.

    It's also pretty hilarious how you think 'these people are screwed over more than us, therefore we should be happy' is a logical argument. There's always someone in the world who has it worse; just because they're screwed over x10 it doesn't mean being screwed over x5 is justifiable.

    So no one would be willing to prove to me how easy it is? Gee what a surprise.

    God, someone's cranky. Have you been asleep over the progression of this game or what? Since +15 was first introduced with gen/ren gear the incentive to pay to keep up has been there, it's obviously been a money stunt from the beginning, this should be a surprise to no one? This is a f2p game, has to keep afloat somehow. There's a reason equalized PVP became the new norm.

    It shouldn't be achievable for everyone because it's the best stuff? VM1 wasn't achievable for everyone otherwise there wouldn't have been any money in selling quill runs. PVP was alive as ever despite the imbalance, people throwing their bodies into FWC desperately farming for their conjunct.
    Yeah, someone who actually pays money and supports this F2P game financially gets things instantly, of course? Why are you complaining about that? Is this your first F2P game? You think this game survives on your sheer passionate feelings of entitlement? The difference is that ktera players have to swipe for so so SO much more compared to us and instead of whining all the time which you're clearly accustomed to perhaps try to see the greener grass and be a little grateful? The entire awakening system will be gone eventually, should be glad for that too.

    You want VM handed to you? Go run rally and pray your little spoiled heart out for a box.

    (the actual attitude that killed PVP is ktera players' low interest in PVP)
  • EllieChuEllieChu ✭✭✭
    LesbianVi wrote: »
    Palomina wrote: »
    Ardire wrote: »
    Mid tier gear exists for a reason.


    Good luck finding parties and raids in mid tier gear though :)

    IMS is made for you, back in time, when servers weren't these crap. I mean Ambit/Disco days, I learned all dungeons, such as BRHM, SC, RG VIA IMS. and I started with Disco weap/armor, rest ambit, it was way harder to get things to +12 specially with perfect rolls, bonanza wasn't introduced yet, Tier SB and MES weren't there, BES was 500-700G, and I am pretty much sure mats weren't this cheap when making gold was harder. Biggest problem now is that players want things even easier, also servers are crap :D lol

    how was farming RG 16 times on each character for making gold hard
  • MiskuChanMiskuChan ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Well if it were just grind for PvE that wouldn't be a huge deal, I might support that. But when you start adding copious amounts of money before you can achieve something then there's an issue. I actually have friends who just dropped 500 - 600 $ so they could max out their gear in a few days. That's a broken system. And I hear it's even worse now, that was back in tensus.
  • EllieChuEllieChu ✭✭✭
    Gearing as a whole is really flawed with our current version of the game. Everyone can come in to the game and get decent mid tier gear and some cheap t2 etchings, but you wont be doing much more than doing solo content for gold to save up for a handed down +15 weapon since no one will take you in mid tier to the current HM for you to grind mats for your next upgrade.

    You literally have to have the current BiS gear, to do the dungeon you farm the current BiS gear materials, or else people dont take you cus they are too afraid of non existant dps checks
  • ArdireArdire ✭✭✭✭✭
    ya'll need to make some friends instead of waiting around with puppy dog eyes and whiny words until 15+ players take pity on you and take you on runs

    like!!! you don't even need to set foot in vshm for vm mats!!! wait until events hand it to you, run the jackpot bgs!!!! we're so spoiled it's mind-boggling!!!

    "you wont be doing much more than doing solo content" what?!!??! 95% of the current content is for mid-tier players?!! are you high?!?! there's more mid tier content on the way!!!

    i need a nap. ya'll are too much. go play ktera ya big babies.
  • EllieChuEllieChu ✭✭✭
    Ardire wrote: »
    ya'll need to make some friends instead of waiting around with puppy dog eyes and whiny words until 15+ players take pity on you and take you on runs

    like!!! you don't even need to set foot in vshm for vm mats!!! wait until events hand it to you, run the jackpot bgs!!!! we're so spoiled it's mind-boggling!!!

    "you wont be doing much more than doing solo content" what?!!??! 95% of the current content is for mid-tier players?!! are you high?!?! there's more mid tier content on the way!!!

    i need a nap. ya'll are too much. go play ktera ya big babies.

    A nice way to make friends with people in Tera is to run content with them. Now if you're trying to join a group via LFG in hopes of meeting new friends, then i wish you good luck. Because if anyone with that big and shiny +15 weapon applies to the same party, guess who they will take with them
  • AmmutsebaAmmutseba ✭✭✭
    I find this discussion to be incredibly interesting. I've always wondered what would motivate someone to blow $1000 on a single game. Devoting so much time to a game that it effectively eliminates a social life also seems crazy to me. Of course, I'm one of those "casual" players that have only spent around 800-900 hours on this game over the course of a few years.
  • MiskuChanMiskuChan ✭✭✭
    Ammutseba wrote: »
    I find this discussion to be incredibly interesting. I've always wondered what would motivate someone to blow $1000 on a single game. Devoting so much time to a game that it effectively eliminates a social life also seems crazy to me. Of course, I'm one of those "casual" players that have only spent around 800-900 hours on this game over the course of a few years.

    1000$ is nothing, you see the reward credits in game? The highest tier is to have spent 10k on the game. They actually have a tier for it, and some people will have you believe it was all for costumes and not a p2w mechanic at all.
  • EllieChuEllieChu ✭✭✭
    MiskuChan wrote: »
    Ammutseba wrote: »
    I find this discussion to be incredibly interesting. I've always wondered what would motivate someone to blow $1000 on a single game. Devoting so much time to a game that it effectively eliminates a social life also seems crazy to me. Of course, I'm one of those "casual" players that have only spent around 800-900 hours on this game over the course of a few years.

    1000$ is nothing, you see the reward credits in game? The highest tier is to have spent 10k on the game. They actually have a tier for it, and some people will have you believe it was all for costumes and not a p2w mechanic at all.

    whats even worse is how being Tier 10 literally prints money consider how many reward credits you get every day
  • CinnaMinCinnaMin ✭✭
    edited July 2017
    I've never minded spending money on games because if I enjoy it, I should support its lifetime, y'know? But I'm spending that EMP/Cash Shop Money on costumes and other silly, frivolous things that I can keep for pretty much ever, not gear I'm probably gonna replace in a patch or two anyway. My Dyeable Arin's Dress has lasted me years versus the Wonderholme I replaced that same amount of years ago.

    Like, to each their own; if being BiS and perfectly rolled during every patch is your deal, then I hope you have tons of fun doing that! Trying to make sure the orange on my cheer outfit matches my hair is my idea of fun, so I'll stick to my guns and keep farming bams on the IoD to get gear, lol.

    kTERA's situation compared to ours sucks, yes, But I've yet to meet a Korean-based MMO/mobage that didn't have some asinine amount grinding at some point in getting from 1 to level cap and then another at level cap. And hey, I also play Granblue Fantasy, so Japan isn't excused either! I just assume players either make time or start budgeting, if you ride that updraft.
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Ammutseba wrote: »
    I find this discussion to be incredibly interesting. I've always wondered what would motivate someone to blow $1000 on a single game. Devoting so much time to a game that it effectively eliminates a social life also seems crazy to me. Of course, I'm one of those "casual" players that have only spent around 800-900 hours on this game over the course of a few years.

    loyality to their waifu :3

    or because too many video game is too much for them ;)

    or it is only a little hobby ;)

    or a good reason to no spend 1000$ in cigarette or alcohol B)

    i think elinlove has spent 3000$ in tera

    personally i only spend 400$
  • AmmutsebaAmmutseba ✭✭✭
    vkobe wrote: »
    Ammutseba wrote: »
    I find this discussion to be incredibly interesting. I've always wondered what would motivate someone to blow $1000 on a single game. Devoting so much time to a game that it effectively eliminates a social life also seems crazy to me. Of course, I'm one of those "casual" players that have only spent around 800-900 hours on this game over the course of a few years.

    loyality to their waifu :3

    or because too many video game is too much for them ;)

    or it is only a little hobby ;)

    or a good reason to no spend 1000$ in cigarette or alcohol B)

    i think elinlove has spent 3000$ in tera

    personally i only spend 400$

    You have a point there. I also think spending $1000 on Tera is a better investment than cigarettes or alcohol. Since I'm also into anime, etc., most people think that I throw my money away on useless things.

    I've spent a bit of cash here and there, just not to that extent. I guess I don't love my elins enough :)
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