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Differences i have noticed playing kTERA so far.

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  • PalominaPalomina ✭✭✭
    Ardire wrote: »
    I do.... it's easy? You can pug literally everything in mid tier gear except for the current hardest dungeon (vshm this patch) and the event dungeons; harrowhold/dreadspire uppers.

    That's not 'literally everything' then, is it? You are forgetting +15 rally raids, there are also plenty of +15 only lfg's even for mid-tier dungeons. As a dps with +12 weap, you will always get second preference over a +15 dps.
    Ardire wrote: »
    It's to be expected if you want to do the hardest stuff in mid tier that a) you hold your own learning runs with other mid tier players or b) you have friends/guild/statics, as would be expected of an MMO.... y'know massive multiplayer blahblah.

    Now .. you are correct on this part but the problem is, I feel that TERA is not populated enough for such things. I tried a lot to host my own vshm learning runs but it never went well, friends/guild blahblah I tried everything.
    Ardire wrote: »
    In fact the upcoming BRHM and AIHM are more mid tiers dungeons we're getting alongside HH! There's a heck of a lot to do if you're a misery player. Not sure which game you're playing.

    Yeah, they are introducing BRHM and AIHM and they are taking away TSNM and DFHM. So , the total amount of dungeons you can do remains exactly the same. HH is not something your avg +12 misery player is going to get chance to do, why even mention that? I don't see how that's 'a heck a lot' to do if the total amount of content you can do remains the same as before the patch as a mid tier geared player. I am playing TERA NA , what about you? :p
  • PalominaPalomina ✭✭✭
    LesbianVi wrote: »
    IMS is made for you, back in time, when servers weren't these crap. I mean Ambit/Disco days, I learned all dungeons, such as BRHM, SC, RG VIA IMS. and I started with Disco weap/armor, rest ambit, it was way harder to get things to +12 specially with perfect rolls, bonanza wasn't introduced yet, Tier SB and MES weren't there, BES was 500-700G, and I am pretty much sure mats weren't this cheap when making gold was harder. Biggest problem now is that players want things even easier, also servers are crap :D lol

    Vi, IMS doesn't really work for anything past easy tier dungeons. I even failed vhnm once with an IMS group, go figure. Low population doesn't help either and IMS doesn't work for people playing from non active time zones.
  • PalominaPalomina ✭✭✭
    Palomina wrote: »
    Ardire wrote: »
    Mid tier gear exists for a reason.


    Good luck finding parties and raids in mid tier gear though :)

    wait a minute, mid tier dont have any culprit people like you :awesome:

    What do you even mean? lol
  • PalominaPalomina ✭✭✭
    EllieChu wrote: »
    Gearing as a whole is really flawed with our current version of the game. Everyone can come in to the game and get decent mid tier gear and some cheap t2 etchings, but you wont be doing much more than doing solo content for gold to save up for a handed down +15 weapon since no one will take you in mid tier to the current HM for you to grind mats for your next upgrade.

    You literally have to have the current BiS gear, to do the dungeon you farm the current BiS gear materials, or else people dont take you cus they are too afraid of non existant dps checks

    Can't agree more with this.
  • PalominaPalomina ✭✭✭
    MiskuChan wrote: »
    It's also pretty hilarious how you think 'these people are screwed over more than us, therefore we should be happy' is a logical argument. There's always someone in the world who has it worse; just because they're screwed over x10 it doesn't mean being screwed over x5 is justifiable.

    So no one would be willing to prove to me how easy it is? Gee what a surprise.

    Forget it , people on this forum are stubborn af , they will never understand it.

    Important thing to consider here is that in korea gaming is looked upon positively and very differently than the rest of the world. They take gaming seriously. For example, where I live, gaming is treated in a very negative manner. It feels like you are committing some kind of sin if you play video games. People will look down on you and treat you worse than some drug addict or rapist.

    In my case, as a fresh new player, it took me about 1 month and a week's farming to just get a vm9+15 weapon with t4 etching. I was playing around 6-8 hours per day. This was with somewhat bad rng though so, there is that.
  • aeee98aeee98 ✭✭✭✭
    MiskuChan wrote: »
    Ardire wrote: »
    You're talking about completely min/maxing so.... of course that's going to take a disgusting amount of time? And probably some swiping as well if you're starting from complete zero. Having the best of the best isn't for everyone or otherwise it wouldn't be.... the Best. Mid tier gear exists for a reason.

    I'm just astonished you can come into a thread about how insanely over the top ktera's grind is and STILL complain about our more generous set up. Ktera players have to struggle to even +12 their misery, swiping is encouraged from the start, whilst fully enchanted mid tier gear, good accessories, level 2 etchings, decent brooch, etc, all these are completely viable for a casual player who never swipes. We should be pretty grateful for that.

    I love how you say 'of course that will take disgusting amounts of time', as though that's reasonable. Why shouldn't it be achievable for everyone? Because you said so? This type of attitude is what killed competitive PvP.

    We're not talking about things being gained through skill, it's just a time/money dump i.e. pay us $$$ or spend the equivalent of a full time job per week playing or you won't be able to competitively play against these people who just dumped $800 into the game and got it all in one day.

    It's also pretty hilarious how you think 'these people are screwed over more than us, therefore we should be happy' is a logical argument. There's always someone in the world who has it worse; just because they're screwed over x10 it doesn't mean being screwed over x5 is justifiable.

    So no one would be willing to prove to me how easy it is? Gee what a surprise.

    No one really needs to prove it to you, it has already happened quite often already, especially when many friends of mine and even myself have +15ed our gears within the patch in the past without spending copius amounts of money (I have spent only about $30USD over nearly 2 years so I can tell you I know what I am talking about). Also if you think about it, with all these bonus events we are getting, the amount of time I would need to gear compared to when I was making my +15 tensus gear is going to be way lower. If only I can play more these days, life only allows me to play 2 days a week lmao.

    I really don't think gearing should be any easier than it is right now. As of now, as long as you are smart with your purchases in gold or minimum amounts of EMP, know how to play the game (knowing your class as well as the dungeons, not either/or), and make the correct friends you can clear any content and get any gear in the game provided there is enough effort. This is already a huge contrast to KTera where getting endgame gear is near impossible unless you swipe.

    The problem with this game is not even the gearing process, but the social stigma if you don't have the BiS gear, this stigma can only be minimised if you have friends to support you, hence my first point.

    True competitive PvP will take disgusting amounts of time even if the gear is easy to max or if it is given to you. Real PvP players from what I know spend hours in VO just duelling each other to practice. It didn't matter if the character was in VM or not really, most people I know back then will just wear a lower tier of gear if necessary.
    EllieChu wrote: »
    Gearing as a whole is really flawed with our current version of the game. Everyone can come in to the game and get decent mid tier gear and some cheap t2 etchings, but you wont be doing much more than doing solo content for gold to save up for a handed down +15 weapon since no one will take you in mid tier to the current HM for you to grind mats for your next upgrade.

    You literally have to have the current BiS gear, to do the dungeon you farm the current BiS gear materials, or else people dont take you cus they are too afraid of non existant dps checks

    I really haven't got rejected from runs just because I am just in mid-tier yet. Usually it is because I don't know the dungeon well enough yet (and also that's why I don't lfg for runs I am not that familiar yet.

    Hence I will just say this: find a group that can help you. Population is indeed lower than in the past, but it is still easy enough to find a group of friends (doesn't have to be a guild but if it is that is a plus) to play with you and advance together.
  • PalominaPalomina ✭✭✭
    Ardire wrote: »
    ya'll need to make some friends instead of waiting around with puppy dog eyes and whiny words until 15+ players take pity on you and take you on runs

    Don't want to sound rude but you are talking as if people are sitting there waiting for you to add them to your friend list then instantly start helping you with the game.
  • YamazukiYamazuki ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Palomina wrote: »
    MiskuChan wrote: »
    It's also pretty hilarious how you think 'these people are screwed over more than us, therefore we should be happy' is a logical argument. There's always someone in the world who has it worse; just because they're screwed over x10 it doesn't mean being screwed over x5 is justifiable.

    So no one would be willing to prove to me how easy it is? Gee what a surprise.

    Forget it , people on this forum are stubborn af , they will never understand it.

    Important thing to consider here is that in korea gaming is looked upon positively and very differently than the rest of the world. They take gaming seriously. For example, where I live, gaming is treated in a very negative manner. It feels like you are committing some kind of sin if you play video games. People will look down on you and treat you worse than some drug addict or rapist.

    To go on with that, in KR games is similar to how sports and academics are in the US. In Korea for example some students judge each other over how skilled they are at League and some food services in Asia offer discounts based on your League rank too... The West on a large scale sees games as a way to just pass time like any hobby, or to watch others play seriously. It will take a while being taking games seriously in the West is seen more positively. For many years games were bashed and seen as bad, and while that doesn't happen as often it's because they focus on gamers instead and how "bad" we are because games negatively influence us, or so they say. Thankfully a lot of gamers are going to be older and are raising up a generation that start gaming at a young age though.
  • PalominaPalomina ✭✭✭
    aeee98 wrote: »
    I really don't think gearing should be any easier than it is right now.

    I agree with this but it doesn't need to be difficult than it is currently right now either.
    aeee98 wrote: »
    The problem with this game is not even the gearing process, but the social stigma if you don't have the BiS gear, this stigma can only be minimised if you have friends to support you, hence my first point.

    True words but the problem is not everyone finds such nice friends. I had friends with whom I went on vshm learning runs , they ended up kicking me from party because they got tired of wipes and wanted a +15 dps to carry their noob asses. Btw , I was not doing worse than any other dps in the party just that I was the only +12 misery dps in the party so, they made me their scapegoat. Population of TERA is pretty low and people who play on non active times find it hard to socialize.
    aeee98 wrote: »
    I really haven't got rejected from runs just because I am just in mid-tier yet. Usually it is because I don't know the dungeon well enough yet and also that's why I don't lfg for runs I am not that familiar yet.

    Idk about you but it has happened with me plenty of times. I lost the count by now. Rejected by guild mates , rejected by friends. Being in +12 misery is a pleb life.
    aeee98 wrote: »
    Hence I will just say this: find a group that can help you. Population is indeed lower than in the past, but it is still easy enough to find a group of friends (doesn't have to be a guild but if it is that is a plus) to play with you and advance together.

    Like I said , you are right but this is by far not easy at all and something not possible for everyone.

  • PalominaPalomina ✭✭✭
    Yamazuki wrote: »
    Palomina wrote: »
    MiskuChan wrote: »
    It's also pretty hilarious how you think 'these people are screwed over more than us, therefore we should be happy' is a logical argument. There's always someone in the world who has it worse; just because they're screwed over x10 it doesn't mean being screwed over x5 is justifiable.

    So no one would be willing to prove to me how easy it is? Gee what a surprise.

    Forget it , people on this forum are stubborn af , they will never understand it.

    Important thing to consider here is that in korea gaming is looked upon positively and very differently than the rest of the world. They take gaming seriously. For example, where I live, gaming is treated in a very negative manner. It feels like you are committing some kind of sin if you play video games. People will look down on you and treat you worse than some drug addict or rapist.

    To go on with that, in KR games is similar to how sports and academics are in the US. In Korea for example some students judge each other over how skilled they are at League and some food services in Asia offer discounts based on your League rank too... The West on a large scale sees games as a way to just pass time like any hobby, or to watch others play seriously. It will take a while being taking games seriously in the West is seen more positively. For many years games were bashed and seen as bad, and while that doesn't happen as often it's because they focus on gamers instead and how "bad" we are because games negatively influence us, or so they say. Thankfully a lot of gamers are going to be older and are raising up a generation that start gaming at a young age though.

    You are spot on! Too bad people on this forum don't want to understand this though. Its just not right to compare any other region with korea when there are such huge social and cultural differences regarding gaming are present.
  • LesbianViLesbianVi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Palomina wrote: »
    LesbianVi wrote: »
    IMS is made for you, back in time, when servers weren't these crap. I mean Ambit/Disco days, I learned all dungeons, such as BRHM, SC, RG VIA IMS. and I started with Disco weap/armor, rest ambit, it was way harder to get things to +12 specially with perfect rolls, bonanza wasn't introduced yet, Tier SB and MES weren't there, BES was 500-700G, and I am pretty much sure mats weren't this cheap when making gold was harder. Biggest problem now is that players want things even easier, also servers are crap :D lol

    Vi, IMS doesn't really work for anything past easy tier dungeons. I even failed vhnm once with an IMS group, go figure. Low population doesn't help either and IMS doesn't work for people playing from non active time zones.

    Take 1 friend or 2 friends, then learn it or teach others, that is the problem with the players now, IMS is bad because community made it bad, Static party for everything, and actually guild quests even made things worse.

    Still I like IMS, dead server threads wouldn't been less if we had a stable IMS, I agree it is cancer often but as I said we made it cancer.
  • ArdireArdire ✭✭✭✭✭
    how did this turn from comparing ktera's super stingy set up to our generous one into discussing cultural differences? yes, gaming is a super norm over there, so dishing out money on games ain't such a big deal, which is dandy but since gaming is stigmatized here you... what.... want it easier? i'm confused here. someone explain.

    "That's not 'literally everything' then, is it? You are forgetting +15 rally raids, there are also plenty of +15 only lfg's even for mid-tier dungeons. As a dps with +12 weap, you will always get second preference over a +15 dps."

    there's always gonna be spots somewhere in some raid if you're fast enough for rally cause realistically there ain't enough +15 players to fill up multiple rally raids, that's just unrealistic. but still, that's really not an unreasonable claim? rally is about who pumps out the most dps so people are gonna want the best, it'd be the same thing as like picking a valkyrie over a slayer. know who doesn't have to be +15 and gets into every piece of content? healers. misery healers could heal HH/VSHM/Rally no problem. and healers are always one of the classes that attracts the most friends!

    oooo look at that maybe i just solved all your problems :p

    also i haven't seen a single +15 only LFG for any mid tier dungeon since the patch hit. honestly if the stuff you're saying is true then your server sounds downright awful and i'm sorry.
  • PalominaPalomina ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Ardire wrote: »
    there's always gonna be spots somewhere in some raid if you're fast enough for rally cause realistically there ain't enough +15 players to fill up multiple rally raids, that's just unrealistic. but still, that's really not an unreasonable claim? rally is about who pumps out the most dps so people are gonna want the best, it'd be the same thing as like picking a valkyrie over a slayer. know who doesn't have to be +15 and gets into every piece of content? healers. misery healers could heal HH/VSHM/Rally no problem. and healers are always one of the classes that attracts the most friends!

    oooo look at that maybe i just solved all your problems :p

    also i haven't seen a single +15 only LFG for any mid tier dungeon since the patch hit. honestly if the stuff you're saying is true then your server sounds downright awful and i'm sorry.

    I am not gonna bother arguing on rally topic. People do not accept you in +15 raids if you do not have +15 weapon, period. I, a +12 misery valk was rejected over +15 ninja/gunner and slayers and it follows the same for other +15 only lfg's as well.

    Yes, healers get accepted into parties even with misery gear. So, let us all play healers and make a full healer vshm party, right? Nice solution :grin: And what if the player wants to play dps or tank? Do you want to force everyone into playing the healing role, even if the player does not likes it? There is already an oversupply of healers in end-game. Sometimes finding a dps takes more time than finding a healer.

    You haven't seen a single +15 only lfg for mid tier dungeon? Dang, your server must have a really nice community because, they happen all the time on MT.
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