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Nobody runs dungeons to collect mats to craft BiS to sell.
That is not a money maker. That is a gamble which often leaves you on the back foot.
Please don't spread this nonsensical rumour that selling BiS gear that you +15 yourself is the endgame money maker, because it is far from it.
Amazingly, yes. Dungeons being profitable makes people want to run them more. See; events, bonus jackpots.
As it currently stands VSHM, in the state it is right now, is not profitable. That already kills some of the fun factor for me.
Before you come in saying "Well maybe you should just have fun instead of always worrying about gold, it's a video game!"
Profit is fun to me. Getting gold is fun to me.
I'd like to direct your attention to the synonyms.
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> The point of top tier dungeons in TERA have always been for vm mats
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> What?! That's, like, absolutely not true. VM mats have always been part of top dungeon but top dungeons have rarely been about VM mats alone(if ever, I'm a bit fuzzy on the AB HM drops). Quils weren't the only profitable thing you got from MC HM, you know. Or maybe you don't know....
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> To be able to get VM mats to craft BiS but some people are in denial.
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> Nobody runs dungeons to collect mats to craft BiS to sell.
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> That is not a money maker. That is a gamble which often leaves you on the back foot.
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> Please don't spread this nonsensical rumour that selling BiS gear that you +15 yourself is the endgame money maker, because it is far from it.
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> The point of top tier dungeons in TERA have always been for vm mats
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> What?! That's, like, absolutely not true. VM mats have always been part of top dungeon but top dungeons have rarely been about VM mats alone(if ever, I'm a bit fuzzy on the AB HM drops). Quils weren't the only profitable thing you got from MC HM, you know. Or maybe you don't know....
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> To be run. I'd have thought that was pretty obvious. You know what happens when a dungeon only gives you 1 single thing? You stop running it once you have that thing or you never have a reason to run it if you are not interested in the thing as "fun" can only last for a certain amount of time when it comes to PvE. Wonder why Palomina was talking about VS HM LFGs that only accept VM9 and why that is a natural thing to happen in the current situation? The short answer is: VS HM is exactly what you think a top tier dungeon should be and that's bad.
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> And being profitable is gonna make the dungeon more worth it?
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> Amazingly, yes. Dungeons being profitable makes people want to run them more. See; events, bonus jackpots.
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> As it currently stands VSHM, in the state it is right now, is not profitable. That already kills some of the fun factor for me.
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I kinda realized how stupid that phrase was like a minute after I said it, but eh. Your probably right lul
but you can't get VM9 from IOD, can you? if by gearing up to VM9 you get all you need, then what is the benefit from doing the other parts of the game? If you people wanna be self sufficient, makes alts.
What I noticed, few players ask for better drops all the time, because most people were running dungeons before anyway and keep running them and you don't see on forums.
EME should close threads that ask for more stuff.
I agree that VSH, consumable wise is not worth, but that's it. That is why Dungeon highlights happen, highlights like TS one. but even that didn't stop people from asking for more.
That is what I said and I will say it, people are asking for hands out now every dang day. Forums is whining feast.
PS: When I think about my years of Tera, I consider VM9 patch the easiest, everything was handed over, VM mats, lots of feedstock, lots of bonanza box, lots of other stuff, still every single day, we see a thread asking for more?
PSS: My Popo brain can't handle all this anymore
Its technically possible because you can buy boxes with gold which can give vm9 mats.
Because most players playing the game actually never even bother to check forum. This is not something exclusive to TERA though, happens in almost every game. I know many friends who were mad when eme removed talisman from tsnm event but none of them bothered to come and complain on forum. There many people in game who want things changed but they simply never talk on forum.
VSH is just simply not worth doing, no matter how you look at it. The only exception is if you need vm9 mats. It takes around 45 min to 1 hour from forming a party to finishing it and thats assuming you don't wipe, if you do then its even more time wasted. What do you get in the end for it? 15 t12 feedstock,40-60ish gold from bosses and the vg rewards. Mats are useless if you don't need them since you cannot trade them and even if you need them there is possibility that rng will screw you hard on rolls and you won't win a single mat. So, basically you can waste 45 min to 1 hour for nothing. You can spend about same amount of time doing iod on one char and earn around 1.5-1.7k gold, 250ish t11 feedstock , enough vg creds for about 5 mwa chests and you might also get some ses off the BAMs while at it. So, in a nutshell, iod - which is boring and easy content that literally anyone can do is basically more profitable than the hardest dg currently in the game. The only way vshm is worth it over spamming iod is if you need mats or you get a weapon design but we all know how often that happens.
TSNM highlight was pretty crap - lets be honest here, the jackpot was noct in 7-9 out of 10 runs. I rand it around 25 times or so and I did not even see lakan's banners, forget the badge. For some reason, it was non stop noct jackpot. I saw feedstock like 4 times in 25 runs and that was it. The rest was all noct and many other ppl I know in-game had the similar experience. Might have as well called it TSNM noct highlight event
It's also practically possible because VM9 can be traded. Either as a box or as +15 liberated item.
Except noone really buys them after you +15 it :awesome:
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What? My friend just purchased a vm9+15 bow yesterday lol. Lots of people are buying vm9+15 as they will just retool it in vm9.5. No point in selling vm9 later on because of upcoming gearing/enchanting revamp.
That's not even remotely relevant. The question was whether you could get VM9 by doing IoD only. The answer is, yes, yes, you absolutely can. Whether anyone would do it or not is a whole different topic.
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> but you can't get VM9 from IOD, can you? if by gearing up to VM9 you get all you need, then what is the benefit from doing the other parts of the game? If you people wanna be self sufficient, makes alts.
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The way I see it, you are not understanding how easy it is to make gold, how easy it is to get mats. If I had one character or two, I would have made enough gold from the start of the patch to buy VM9 weapon, not that I am good, nope, cause it is too damn easy, even if the economy is really crap right now, and that is the point here, easiest gearing patch in NA Tera's history, still complains.
There is are couple of problems currently in game:
1. Lack of content, specially PVP
2. Server instability
3. Whiny community
4. Events with large rewards
5. Stable ways to farm/craft consumable/mats in order to remove them from events
6. Losing BGs gains you nothing, so loss of interest for many players to do them