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here, you said you don't do what you don't want to do...
now that we've established you don't run vshm i'm telling you that you have no credibility here and you should probably talk about something else more relevant for you. may I suggest you indulge yourself in erotic role play in lumbertown or circlejerk in some other corner of velika and let the ppl this thread concerns, that is, ppl who run vshm, give actual valuable insights on the situation.
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/16341/differences-i-have-noticed-playing-ktera-so-far/p1
I haven't seen you there,
mwa: 7G, SES: 180-200G, Prem alka: 10-12G, Ext Alka: 10-12G, Tier 11 FS: 10G, doing 30-40 mins of IOD, ace can give you 10K gold, VM mats event often, and many other things. No little boy, you are not good at this game if you think it is unrewarding for you.
Vi, the thing is that End-Game content looks unrewarding not the whole game and the problem is not even the loot in HM dungeons but how things that should be exclusive for HM content is being given out to people that doen't make merits for them. IE. Events in easy dungeons giving VM mats, Events that anyone can do giving lots of tradeable mats needed for end-game players, VM mats on Calendar rewards. If you sum all of that to the existance of VM Boxes droped on CU and Rally (those should be untradeable) then for many players running HM dungeons for the loot is not apealing becuase they can get what HM dungeons drop in other kind of content or doing it other way more easy than is currently runnning the Hardest content in the game.
I would not make HM content more rewarding but better nerft or remove some kind of rewards from other kind of content in the game, or I would do those rewards untradeable at least.
look honey, yes I know that in terms of ses/alk, we have it far better than other regions. this much we are on the same page -- but i'm very sure this thread is about vshm aka something you are in no place to even talk about - which is my point.
if the discussion was on commodity prices, fair enough, and judging by what you were saying I think we'd actually be quite agreeable in our opinions on that. now take a quick glance on this thread's title.
I know players that got 100-200 VM mats from afk event, are you sure these player that are talking about more rewards aren't the one that exploited events like that? I mean lets be honest, there are no discussion, these are demands, demands that bring exploits and nothing good to the game.
Many of them threatened that they leave NA for EU with 3rd party matter, what happened? They are here and giving demands. Look at Ktera, play on EU and see how easy and rewarding things are in NA, how many rewarding events we get on NA. We have way too much whining on forums. I am not the only one saying that, whining took over the forums that many players don't even bother, Look at the attention @seraphinush gets from his thread and look at all the whining threads.
I agree with many points here and there, but giving in to these demands and whining only hurts the game even more. So, I don't care whatever they wanna say, we can't even mention things that matter in the forums, just demanding threads one after another, even for things we haven't even get. And the fun part is they say that is exactly what Ktera gets, so what is it that it is fine in Ktera and it is not here when we have many other things already cheap and easy?
nope, I don't get the whining over mats of any kind at this point.
For VS HM? Exactly 0.
I'm sorry, I am rather attached to my liver and would like to keep it.
The whinning exist since Beta and Old EME staff has as much fault on this like current staff, since they were bending the game to the whines.
Right now what the game needs is for EME to think carefully what is going to be included on events and ask for feedback.
Is really shamefull when you look at people that only run low tier dungeons because they have guile +12 with low lvl accesories and inners to be able to craft BiS becuase events have been rewarding people for being afk or for running low tier dungeons with VM Mats.
The heck, yesterday one friend logged in after many days, he don't run HM dungeons and most of time is just AFK dancing some where in the Tera world and have more than enought mats to craft his VM9 weapon (he just bought the design that cost him 50k).
That is what makes you feel upset if you are running the HM content in game, becuase even when events came those dungeons gave poor rewards while mid and low tier dungeons gave better rewards.
More than lack of comunication from EME is also a lack of understanding how efforts for running content should be rewarded on their events.
This is the NA region. The game is catered to a whole different crowd and audience, and as such, things are altered for our version of the game. This isn't whining, this is merely how EME, and to a further extent, BHS, handles this region.
Regardless of it being what you call 'whining', it's ludicrous to say that it's alright for the hardest content to be the least rewarding. That's just plain horrid game design through and through. This is the issue that people have.
Once again - VM mats are not a worthwhile reward. They hold zero monetary value.
Final product does have monetary value, are you still denying that?
VM having monetary value is fine and good, but the only people who realistically sell them are those who are rerolling or quitting. I get that your 'friends' sell VM, but straight up it is not a good source of income seeing as it takes multiple layers of RNG and tons of input yourself just to be able to sell the thing.
If your luck is bad you lose money. That isn't profitable. I think you're a little out of touch with what people actually do with excess VM mats.
We can have bad luck with t3 etching crafting and yet you can see how ofthen those are selling becuase people keeps trying to craft to make money, they are aware of the risk and they could get a streak of crafting ephemerals yet they continue to do it.
The rgn over the VM is about rolling for the mat more than the crafting itself, that's why people sells their pass on the roll or they sell their carry on HM dungeons for others to get a chance over a mat there.
There are several ways to get gold from HM dungeons but people are more interested in the short term return.
So, we are not looking for HM rewards, we are looking at loot balance, this is what I said ages ago, Events and also unbalanced loots hurts the late game. But the solution is not giving more loots to HM now, it is to balance it all, 1st step is, removing all VM mats, large loots of enchanting mats from all incoming events.
When we reached a balanced economy and stabilized the economy, when we started to bring the missing line between hard core and casual players, then we can discuss the loots from HM, but is this gonna happen? We know it won't unfortunately.
Also, there are content you run to get gearing mats, there are you run to get consumables, there are you run to get enchanting mats. If we put all of them in one place, how that works? because I feel like some players want that, they want to get all they need by just running VSH, that is against the balance itself.
I said it before and agreed long before this, that HM dungeons specially with lag are not as rewarding as they should be, but so far we had way too much rewarding events, anything they put into the game hurts us even more. People are already afking and got what they wanted.
Unfortunately, as @ElinUsagi giving in to demands and whine and big rewarding events changed the direction of late game.