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lols, do you even know me? I afk and come online for events? How do you know that? Also ages ago I said, the line between casual and hardcore players is gone, if it were here, you wouldn't be asking for more rewards.
So let me get this straight.
By the start of VM9 gear patch, Anniversary event happened, VM mats from HM dungeons dropped on normal dungeons, tons of feedstock, a lotta Bonanza boxes, a lotta Smart Dyads were given, after that, Then we have BG highlights that gives player VM9 mats, DG highlight that last for a whole day, not just some hours, also boxes from BGs that might drop VM9 mats, then TS highlight event with lots of Noct infusion happened, something you players claim was the only problem for you all doing VSH, also AFK event happened which gave VM9 mats, a lotta of you made accounts and afked on Stepstone and got many mats, then 5 days of double drop happened, 5 days non-stop w/o any real problem.
So, after all these things happened, you players, you pro, great, hardcore player still want more stuff given to you, and still crying on forums, and me and ElinUsagi are bad? LMFAO, you people are spoiled beyond words.
So, the word hypocrite is gone and [filtered] is used, I like how you just prove my Spoiled community claim.
PS: I know now what is the problem, silly me, You can't use those +15 scrolls for Tier 12, dang it, oh btw you can't glitch VSH like RMH and run it ez pz with glitch multiple times. You are truly right, VSH is not rewarding at all.
@Tewii I never said making VM makes you gold, it gives you gold, but you gotta go through a lotta crap, I mean in a normal way not with all the events we had, so I agree with you, I make more gold and easier without even touching VM mats. But my problem is, lots of rewards were distributed unfortunately that if you missed those events you are screwed, that is why I said 1st removed all those mats from events, then focus on balancing the loots so it is worth doing them when there are no events.
Once again you're showing that you're completely out of touch and not listening to the topic at hand.
The argument is that there is a massive discrepancy between the rewards granted from VSHM and the rewards granted via. other methods of moneymaking which guarantee better gold/hr for far less effort than is required for VSHM.
Even if we ignore the events, every mid-tier dungeon grants better monetary value than the hardest content in the game. If we do include events, then it truly does leave very little reason to run VSHM.
Players should not be rewarded for very little effort put in. They should not be punished for participating in the highest tier of content.
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Editing my comment to respond to your addendum:
First point, your PS, is completely out of left field and has zero relation to the topic. Accusing those who wish for more fitting rewards from VSHM as "People who glitch X dungeons and use +15 scrolls for money making" is a little far fetched and doesn't make sense.
For starters, the +15 scrolls themselves cost a lot of money. As it happens, last patch, when weapon boxes were approximately 450k, the +15 scrolls from the event happened to sell for around 250k. Now if you take a look at the cost of feedstock [approximately 15 gold per try, t11 feedstock just after the Kyra event which granted +15 scrolls] and alkahest [approximately 6 gold per MWA just after the Kyra event] for that patch, it comes out to the cost of roughly 60 attempts once again.
So they have the exact same cost. One would argue it's even better for those that simply spammed easier dungeons, which is an inherent problem in itself and quite similar to the argument happening in this thread, as they could've sold the +15 scrolls for 250k without ever needing to enchant themselves in order to sell something that can grant +15, thus removing the RNG aspect.
Secondly, glitches - really? Sure there were a handful of people doing them but even so, if you look at the price of ambush weapons last patch, they didn't fall that far, so we can deduce that glitches were not the main reason for the price falling - If we take a look at the difficulty and length of time VSHM takes compared to RMHM you'll see the cost/time required actually stacks up quite neatly and falls in line with what you would expect - even before the glitches were widespread and well-known in the community.
As for removing the mats from events - it's a step in the right direction and would potentially have incentivised people to run VSHM more - but then the inherent problem we're looking at right now is the fact that VM mats do not have a worthwhile monetary value [if they can even be judged to have one at all - as proven by my calculations earlier in the thread VM mats are better used on alts that you're actually going to gear rather than crafting things for merchanting], so the incentive for running VS would be mats that, in your world, would be in less abundance due to events.
This does not fix the gold/hour gained from VSHM, nor does it fix the glaring issue of the top tier dungeon being less rewarding for time spent compared to lower tiers of dungeons.
I ask you to think rationally about your next response.
Don't forget the IoD. Doing IoD on multiple characters can be almost as 2 to 3 times more beneficial in monetary terms as compared to doing vshm in the same amount of time.
So now you act like them and want to be taken seriously? I stopped running hard mode dungeons from days of BRHM, SCHM, you know why? I love making alts and dress them and hop from this character to other characters, I make more gold on faster and easier things. This was before all the cryings. I live in Iran, internet is one of the most garbage internet in the world, so another reason for me, not to run it. Most my friends that I was running dungeon and was a filler for their party is not running VS, they say not looking for a headache with lag server. I said it before that server instability is hurting hardcore players more than any other group.
But as I said, but being hated, because people don't really want improvement, just hands out. By the time EME stops the events that gives out of place mats, VM or enchanting, we can't really balance the loots.
My suggestion for balanced loot for VSH when that happened:
Vanguard Rewards: Noct Infusion box x1, +40 vanguard credit (to what we have now), 2 Dragon Scales ( add Noct Infusion, HP potions to Scale shop with a fair price)
Dungeon Drop: Add Lakan's Treasure, Add Sapphire (with lower chance of Emerald), One Noct Box, all that for each player.
I think that is balanced loot for usual runs and becomes more profitable with increased dungeons drops to make players more interested in running VSH,
lol relax I have not insulted you or anything. That reply just made me laugh hard since it came out of nowhere but yea it was pretty harsh and uncalled for lol.
So, if I want a declared line between casual and hard core that makes me a troll, so be it. But asking for more when this patch gave it all for free and gave it all easy is not trollish at all.
So I say, you all had a whole lotta free VM9 mats easy and this single reason can prevent changes to VSH currently is far fetched point?
Good to know.
Would you shut up about more stuff after Trillion events that we had the past year? Nope, so, nope, not gonna happen.
You know nothing, darling. Those events ARE part of the problem. They were NOT a good thing. Also, that image isn't about a far fetched point, it's about you, flying over the point. Repeatedly. Those events in OTHER dungeons complete DEVALUED vs hm.