Improve VSHM

Fleett · July 2017

I'm tired of people commenting on these VSHM threads when they've never done the [censored] dungeon.

Once you do the [censored] dungeon you can come and give your opinion on the matter.

P.S. As far as I understand making VSHM more rewarding (tradeable items) has nothing to do with the VM mat events from the past.

VSHM shouldn't be just to gear yourself up in Deathwrack, it should have drops valueable enough to make the dungeon worth running even if you have all your characters geared in VM9.

And no, selling VM9 is not worth it like stated somewhere in this thread, ty for the math.

FernetDoble · July 2017

Just put 200/300 noc and a lakan box and problem will be solved, its not that hard

LesbianVi · July 2017

In a normal, planted way, you are right, making VM9 and selling it, not really that profitable, but when a whole lotta VM, enchanting mats got into the hands of many players easily, then it changes, I have been referring to this, but it is being ignored.

I have seen a player that I know selling 3 Deathwrack weapons currently and he is in full mid gear, not even Ambush. That is the issue here. That is what I am referring to you, I said multiple times, hard mode dungeons are not really worth it. But as I said and it is getting ignored, balancing the loots should happen when we balanced and organized the event's loots.

ValiantCorvus · July 2017

Events should have no effect whatsoever on how rewarding a dungeon should be. The dungeon should reward the player for the time and effort required to complete them, which as it stands it is not. It's not proper endgame content unless it gives proper motivation to run it beyond just making gear.

It's really that simple

I've said it before and I'll say it again, unless you're experienced in the endgame content, you have no opinion on endgame content

Asbu · July 2017

I'm sorry but Tewii/TWMagimay/etc have been on point this thread. If you disagree with them, you probably don't really have knowledge of how endgame TERA works or don't really care.

LesbianVi · July 2017

ValiantCorvus wrote: »

Events should have no effect whatsoever on how rewarding a dungeon should be. The dungeon should reward the player for the time and effort required to complete them, which as it stands it is not. It's not proper endgame content unless it gives proper motivation to run it beyond just making gear.

It's really that simple

I've said it before and I'll say it again, unless you're experienced in the endgame content, you have no opinion on endgame content

Define end game? Each patch I need over 20K SB, over 20K Alka (Pref Ext, prem) 300-400 BES, 2k-3K MES, 2K SES, more than 15-20K FS to gear up my alts, if I don't run end game stuff, then why I do this, I know end game better than you think you do, I gear up all my alts, I get them multiple costumes, mounts, weapon skins, I gear up and make golds all together, and no I don't dp IOD on multiple chars each day. I wouldn't be tier 5.5 if I was. on some occasions, I gear up my chars and dress them up, on multiple server.

So don't act like you people know it all, I am sorry some of you people have no clue how easy NA Tera is.

I gave suggestion and point about VSH reward, your problem lays on something else I am afraid.

Tewii · July 2017

LesbianVi wrote: »

In a normal, planted way, you are right, making VM9 and selling it, not really that profitable, but when a whole lotta VM, enchanting mats got into the hands of many players easily, then it changes, I have been referring to this, but it is being ignored.

I have seen a player that I know selling 3 Deathwrack weapons currently and he is in full mid gear, not even Ambush. That is the issue here. That is what I am referring to you, I said multiple times, hard mode dungeons are not really worth it. But as I said and it is getting ignored, balancing the loots should happen when we balanced and organized the event's loots.

Let's take a look at the market history to disprove you;

About 1 month and half ago, I bought my best friend a Vex and Bedevil design from the broker. This costed me 600k.

Currently, the Vex and Bedevil weapon design costs 300k. That's a 300k difference.

At the start of the patch, +15 Awakened Vex and Bedevil's were selling to the tune of 1.1-1.2m.

Currently, they are selling for 850k. As it so happens, 850k is 300k lower than 1.15m, which sits right inbetween 1.1-1.2m.

So from this we can deduce that the only thing the events effected, price-wise, for the obtaining and selling process of VM weapons were the prices of designs because of the price disparity.

This is, once again, assuming that VM mats have a monetary value. So the events didn't really affect the cost at all when it comes to the VM mats - the only price changer was the cost of Designs relative to the sale price of the VM you craft from said design.

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And all of the above is once again ignoring the main point. Nobody cares about the cost to make VM, or the selling price. People care about things other than the VM materials.

I understand that the idea of a shiny +15 in your hands is very exciting, but please stop steering the topic toward that direction.

As it stands, you, who have not done VSHM at all (I would recommend that if you're going to use your brawler, you should reroll your chest away from 8% hp and no frontal damage), are arguing against countless people who have ran it and unanimously agree that it is inherently unrewarding for the time spent. Do you really wonder why so many people disagree with you?

I've yet to see a single point from you that wasn't an ad hominem referring to VM materials from events, which have zero relation to whether or not VSHM is rewarding or not.

ValiantCorvus · July 2017

IOD is not endgame content. I find rather hilarious how it's implied that it is.

The gear doesn't matter if you die 10 times on lakan because you don't know what you're doing.

LesbianVi · July 2017

ValiantCorvus wrote: »

IOD is not endgame content. I find rather hilarious how it's implied that it is.

The gear doesn't matter if you die 10 times on lakan because you don't know what you're doing.

see, you have no idea what late game means, don't point it at me.

ValiantCorvus · July 2017

Yeah I only have 40+ clears on vshm, I have no idea what I'm talking about

LesbianVi · July 2017

UsagiFF wrote: »

If I have to say something.

Previous HM dungeons took me 15 minutes to clear, actual HM dungeons takes more than 30 minutes (an hour or more if you are unlucky).

If you look at the loot on those then the reward is almost the same but you need now 2x or 3x or even more time to get them.

The thing that make new HM dungeons not worth to run is the time you spend on them for half or less the rewards you got before.

Edit: First time I will stop to try HM dungeons, I don't have that amount of time on my hands and is not apealing to sell BiS if I have to spend a month to craft it.

I better run CW or Abscess and sell IIS for gold and get those shiny VM9 boxes.

This makes sense, and many and I even said that, unfortunately we have an overflow of mats right now, but I agree, from VSNM to VSH, when things got calm could really get a balance loot, and cutting IOD's vanguard credit in half could force people to focus on those dungeons. But we are talking about something that goes through BHS 1st, so not so optimistic about that or seeing this fudged economy recover any time soon.

admonitu · July 2017

Why do people say we are whining too much or we are spoiled because other regions have it much worse? Because someone else out there has it worse, your problem isnt even a problem? Using that logic, no Americans should ever complain about any social and political issues because there are countries out there that are much worse than US. And any americans complaining about anything are whiners? In other words, we are just perfect the way we are now because we have it much easier in general.

First of all, people in other regions "whine" too. Look at their forums.
Second, what you call "whining" is a way for players to raise awareness or voice concerns about issues and discuss them. Stop accusing people of whining because you don't agree with their complaints.

And stop comparing NA Tera with other regions. This is our version and it caters to us. It doesnt matter whether our game is 100x easier than other versions. If the majority of us agree that we have a problem, then we have a problem and we have the right to complain about it. As a business owner, I appreciate it my customers complain. They are giving me a chance to fix or improve my business. Another option for them is not say a word and simply stop doing business with me at all.

Palomina · July 2017

admonitu wrote: »

Why do people say we are whining too much or we are spoiled because other regions have it much worse? Because someone else out there has it worse, your problem isnt even a problem? Using that logic, no Americans should ever complain about any social and political issues because there are countries out there that are much worse than US. And any americans complaining about anything are whiners? In other words, we are just perfect the way we are now because we have it much easier in general.

First of all, people in other regions "whine" too. Look at their forums.
Second, what you call "whining" is a way for players to raise awareness or voice concerns about issues and discuss them. Stop accusing people of whining because you don't agree with their complaints.

And stop comparing NA Tera with other regions. This is our version and it caters to us. It doesnt matter whether our game is 100x easier than other versions. If the majority of us agree that we have a problem, then we have a problem and we have the right to complain about it. As a business owner, I appreciate it my customers complain. They are giving me a chance to fix or improve my business. Another option for them is not say a word and simply stop doing business with me at all.

Couldn't have said it better.

LesbianVi · July 2017

admonitu wrote: »

Why do people say we are whining too much or we are spoiled because other regions have it much worse? Because someone else out there has it worse, your problem isnt even a problem? Using that logic, no Americans should ever complain about any social and political issues because there are countries out there that are much worse than US. And any americans complaining about anything are whiners? In other words, we are just perfect the way we are now because we have it much easier in general.

First of all, people in other regions "whine" too. Look at their forums.
Second, what you call "whining" is a way for players to raise awareness or voice concerns about issues and discuss them. Stop accusing people of whining because you don't agree with their complaints.

And stop comparing NA Tera with other regions. This is our version and it caters to us. It doesnt matter whether our game is 100x easier than other versions. If the majority of us agree that we have a problem, then we have a problem and we have the right to complain about it. As a business owner, I appreciate it my customers complain. They are giving me a chance to fix or improve my business. Another option for them is not say a word and simply stop doing business with me at all.

No, American shouldn't complain and whine too much, they have it easy, they use that logic to whine more. Criticizing is something, wanting too much is something else.

Palomina · July 2017

To all those saying vm mat events have reduced the worth of vshm - no they haven't. I did not attend vhnm event and wasn't around for the afk event (thus my previous grief over talismans).

The real problem here is that vshm drops untradeable mats, which have no monetary value. This means once you finish gearing up in vm9, there is basically no incentive to run vshm anymore. Heck, if you want only lakan's banners you are better off running vhhm than vshm since its faster,easier and more profitable to run. You can also run vsnm if you only want badges over vshm. So, the only exclusive thing for which you absolutely have to run vshm is talismans.

The hardest dungeon in the game shouldn't be there for only gearing up and shouldn't drop only untradeable mats.

Improve VSHM

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