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What I think they should have done

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  • ElinLoveElinLove ✭✭✭✭✭
    66ECX7NAN7 wrote: »
    Situations where every channel in a low level area was occupied by a high level PKer were rare, pretty much only happening on the day a new class came out. If the new player logs off and comes back the next day the problem is gone. Comparing it to hacking someone's account and deleting their stuff is just absurd. But of course you tacitly acknowledge its stupidity by using the "it's only a joke!" defense.

    At any rate, in that rare situation the GM's can simply suspend some people's accounts. Entirely removing OWPVP from the leveling experience is going way too far.

    I just love how you both keep blatantly ignoring that I'm only against the mass PKing and not against the open world PVP or heck even some high level PK every now and then. Keep doing it. Your point will come across.
    I love when people refuse to read then come "refuting arguments". There was explicitly said in my previous comments that I think they should have just taken OP's measures into account - allowing OWPVP between about 2 or 3 levels of difference, add some harassment penalty to who keeps killing over and over someone many levels bellow OR they could just keep strong moderation on the OWPVP (most expensive). You both just keep ignoring and making me look stupid because of something I strongly stated on the comment that was a troll joke.

    Keep doing, your point will come across and we'll all just acknowledge that people should have fun harassing others.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    @ElinLove

    Because they are the very best example of the pkers BHS and EME are against and they suck at PvP and PvE that their only fun were pking low level players.

    If you understand how bad they have it even with mobs then you will understand why their only fun is to grief low lvl players :3
  • GelosGelos ✭✭
    I used to play Aion and this is how their owpvp was til they changed it to two servers one a fast-track and the other standard. fast track for people that want to quest and stuff to level quietly and in peace. you could switch channels whenever you wanted.
  • GelosGelos ✭✭
    MiskuChan wrote: »
    These arguments are pure ignorance, during dreamkeeper/vm1 and even vm2 the PK population was 1000x bigger and far more savage. Yet TERA continued to grow rapidly into one of the most popular and highest earning MMOs I wonder why? Reapers got destroyed worse than any other class, yet the population grew. It was only mid way through VM3 that there was a decline and the PK population was getting smaller.

    You carebears haven't got a single clue what you're talking about.

    so insultisng or is this trash talk I am not sure. I seemed to miss out on all the fun stuff of geared players having to go to lowbie areas to find people to fight. Real pvpers do not need to do so; only the ones not able to pvp properly.
  • 66ECX7NAN766ECX7NAN7 ✭✭✭✭
    ElinLove wrote: »
    66ECX7NAN7 wrote: »
    Situations where every channel in a low level area was occupied by a high level PKer were rare, pretty much only happening on the day a new class came out. If the new player logs off and comes back the next day the problem is gone. Comparing it to hacking someone's account and deleting their stuff is just absurd. But of course you tacitly acknowledge its stupidity by using the "it's only a joke!" defense.

    At any rate, in that rare situation the GM's can simply suspend some people's accounts. Entirely removing OWPVP from the leveling experience is going way too far.

    I just love how you both keep blatantly ignoring that I'm only against the mass PKing and not against the open world PVP or heck even some high level PK every now and then. Keep doing it. Your point will come across.
    I love when people refuse to read then come "refuting arguments". There was explicitly said in my previous comments that I think they should have just taken OP's measures into account - allowing OWPVP between about 2 or 3 levels of difference, add some harassment penalty to who keeps killing over and over someone many levels bellow OR they could just keep strong moderation on the OWPVP (most expensive). You both just keep ignoring and making me look stupid because of something I strongly stated on the comment that was a troll joke.

    Keep doing, your point will come across and we'll all just acknowledge that people should have fun harassing others.

    I love how you're a rude [filtered], while complaining about other players being "toxic". I love the irony. They didn't need to ban people for PKing lowbies most of the time because one lone wolf going around killing random low level players just for laughs isn't going to prevent anyone from progressing. It's only during special events like the introduction of a new class that the GM's actually needed to intervene if they wanted to ensure low level players could progress. The only reason PVP is now 65-only on MT is because EME is investing less in this game than it used to and isn't willing to offer any features that didn't already exist in K-TERA. If they weren't willing to continue the old system they sure as heck weren't going to implement some new system where low level players can kill other low level players but are immune to high level players.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    66ECX7NAN7 wrote: »
    ElinLove wrote: »
    66ECX7NAN7 wrote: »
    Situations where every channel in a low level area was occupied by a high level PKer were rare, pretty much only happening on the day a new class came out. If the new player logs off and comes back the next day the problem is gone. Comparing it to hacking someone's account and deleting their stuff is just absurd. But of course you tacitly acknowledge its stupidity by using the "it's only a joke!" defense.

    At any rate, in that rare situation the GM's can simply suspend some people's accounts. Entirely removing OWPVP from the leveling experience is going way too far.

    I just love how you both keep blatantly ignoring that I'm only against the mass PKing and not against the open world PVP or heck even some high level PK every now and then. Keep doing it. Your point will come across.
    I love when people refuse to read then come "refuting arguments". There was explicitly said in my previous comments that I think they should have just taken OP's measures into account - allowing OWPVP between about 2 or 3 levels of difference, add some harassment penalty to who keeps killing over and over someone many levels bellow OR they could just keep strong moderation on the OWPVP (most expensive). You both just keep ignoring and making me look stupid because of something I strongly stated on the comment that was a troll joke.

    Keep doing, your point will come across and we'll all just acknowledge that people should have fun harassing others.

    I love how you're a rude [filtered], while complaining about other players being "toxic". I love the irony. They didn't need to ban people for PKing lowbies most of the time because one lone wolf going around killing random low level players just for laughs isn't going to prevent anyone from progressing. It's only during special events like the introduction of a new class that the GM's actually needed to intervene if they wanted to ensure low level players could progress. The only reason PVP is now 65-only on MT is because EME is investing less in this game than it used to and isn't willing to offer any features that didn't already exist in K-TERA. If they weren't willing to continue the old system they sure as heck weren't going to implement some new system where low level players can kill other low level players but are immune to high level players.

    Sadly is wasn't a lone wolf and it wasn't a time to time activity but rather guilds were doing it as a side job xD. I now that at first that was a boycot against gender and race locked races but many players took it too far and make it their only fun in the game.

    If you would be playing at peek hours when gunner was released you would saw how lumbertown was camped for days, almost two weeks. If you were someone that only could play at those hours you would be one of those unfortunated players that couldn't lvl up enought to be able to do quest at other places.

    And again, you miss the whole point about the reason why owpvp was removed before reaching lvl 65 and that was because the toxic behaviour (in this case grief) from several high level players towards new players.

    Even if you don't want to acknowledge it games as LoL and DotA 2 takes griefing as one thing will permaban accounts from their servers because those kind of people makes them lose lots of players.

    Pking is a feature fun but griefing is a toxic behaviour and that should be grant a sanction to the reported players, sadly BHS and EME took it too far also but hey, it's their game and are their rules.
  • CezzareCezzare ✭✭✭
    These threads always end up the same: some start calling others "carebears", the others call them "toxic", then both start shouting each other "stupid", "r*tarded", "you don't know what you're talking about", "it's a PvP server", etcetera, etcetera. Low-level OWPvP is over, get over it. All of us could think of options to replace the old system but unfortunately we're not the korean market, which is the one BHS cathers to.

    Another thing: I do actually know people who left the game after being killed in Lumbertown outskirts, I also know others who simply created chars on another server, but while those might be isolated cases the truth is lowbie PK'ing can be easyly associated with cyberbullying, and in a moment where bullying in general is a big topic in mass media it's just bad press Tera, a game that already suffers from poor optimization, constant server crashes, high latency peaks, stale end game and overall toxic community; the last thing they needed was being tagged as a game for bullies -even if it's a blatant lie.

    Finally, guys, EME didn't even try to keep the remodeling system when BHS took it out, what makes you think they would try to move a finger to keep a system which, additionally, could bring bad press to the game? Just let it die folks, pray BHS's next game has a better designed OWPvP system.
  • MiskuChanMiskuChan ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    ElinLove wrote: »
    1: yeah you really refused to read the "IT'S A GODDEMN JOKE" on purpose. Nice job. Also yes it's equivalent depending on the intensity: one thing is a troll PK on a lowball every one and then, like you don't pick on them for no reason. That was pretty much tradition back in the day. Another is like stated: blatantly impede them from playing at all. Keep harassing them over and over, no matter what channel there's some player that decided you can't play and he controls when you play and when you don't. You just conveniently refuse to see THIS is what we're against..

    This happened once a year, again your argument is invalid.
    ElinLove wrote: »
    2: really, no you'll not be missed if you're a griefing t*rd at all. A toxic community decreases the population rapidly, "TERA can't afford to lose any more of it's population with bad PR decisions to make you roleplayers happy." sure they can't, bad decisions like allowing some player control when another one (or another huge group like the new patch leveling players) can play or cannot, is a decision they can't take. You talk about bad decisions and show a terrible one. Griefers are NOT missed. OWPVP IS.

    If you ever bothered reading that I defended OWPVP directly above..

    No, they are missed like I said TERA can't afford to lose any more population this point still stands. And this is why I say people like you are ignorant. Look at LoL, or Overwatch or WoW or any other games that are 1000x more popular than TERA and you'll see a population that is 1000x more toxic. Please provide evidence that 'toxicity decreases population', because all of these games disagree with you.
    66ECX7NAN7 wrote: »
    I love how you're a rude [filtered], while complaining about other players being "toxic". I love the irony.

    10/10 for truth, thanks for the laugh :awesome:
  • ElinLoveElinLove ✭✭✭✭✭
    my GOD now I'm ignorant by saying toxic players are bad, and you're associating the popularity of a game to it HAVING toxic players.

    You never cease to show a new level of low.
    And then I should be respectful and will be labeled a hypocrite when I answer in level when people call me an ignorant.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MiskuChan wrote: »
    Look at LoL, or Overwatch or WoW or any other games that are 1000x more popular than TERA and you'll see a population that is 1000x more toxic. Please provide evidence that 'toxicity decreases population', because all of these games disagree with you.
    66ECX7NAN7 wrote: »
    I love how you're a rude [filtered], while complaining about other players being "toxic". I love the irony.

    10/10 for truth, thanks for the laugh :awesome:

    Yet LoL is the game that invest more than any other game to take measures against toxic behaviours and also DotA does it because they were losing players because of that, so they choose to ban toxic players rather than keep lossing players.

    You can even go to their forums to see how those toxic players banned make QQ thread about how their ban is an "injustice" :awesome:

    It looks like the one ignoring facts are you.
  • MiskuChanMiskuChan ✭✭✭
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Yet LoL is the game that invest more than any other game to take measures against toxic behaviours and also DotA does it because they were losing players because of that, so they choose to ban toxic players rather than keep lossing players.

    No it isn't, I play LoL every day and can tell you first hand the levels of toxicity are the exact same as they were 2 years ago, and yet they're one of the most popular and fastest growing games out there. With a community that is dubbed the most toxic in all of gaming. But don't just take my word for it, just do a quick google search you have the internet, there's no excuse for being misinformed.

    If what you're saying is true, LoL should be the least played game of all time.

    So again, ignorance.
  • ElinLoveElinLove ✭✭✭✭✭
    MiskuChan wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Yet LoL is the game that invest more than any other game to take measures against toxic behaviours and also DotA does it because they were losing players because of that, so they choose to ban toxic players rather than keep lossing players.

    No it isn't, I play LoL every day and can tell you first hand the levels of toxicity are the exact same as they were 2 years ago, and yet they're one of the most popular and fastest growing games out there. With a community that is dubbed the most toxic in all of gaming. But don't just take my word for it, just do a quick google search you have the internet, there's no excuse for being misinformed.

    If what you're saying is true, LoL should be the least played game of all time.

    So again, ignorance.

    You like that word don't you?
    Has it ever occurred to you, that the popularity of the game, is what brings the cancer along, and it's something they try to deal with daily? Has it occurred to you at least once, that there's something ELSE that brings players to the game instead of trying to make it sound like we need cancer players for a game to be popular? Has it occurred to you that the cancer is a side effect of both popularity and competitive nature of the game rather than a desired trait that brings players to a game?

    You are trying way too hard to defend cancerous behavior.
  • LesbianViLesbianVi ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a Solution.

    Make LesbianVi Dummies around world of Tera, Anyone that got mad at anything, anywhere, any time, any level, can go attack them, pk them, E R P (only females) but be careful, they Bites.

    In seriousness, the decision was made, nothing gonna change that. Best thing for pvers we can do is, bring back CS 30-65 beside Kumas, also EME bring us revamped Alliance
  • MiskuChanMiskuChan ✭✭✭
    ElinLove wrote: »
    Has it occurred to you at least once, that there's something ELSE that brings players to the game instead of trying to make it sound like we need cancer players for a game to be popular?

    I never said this, please learn to read and stop trying to straw man me.

    Our point is that toxicity does not decrease population, like the ignorant people in this thread are trying to argue.

    Yes, I like that word because it perfectly describes your arguments.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭

    MiskuChan wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Yet LoL is the game that invest more than any other game to take measures against toxic behaviours and also DotA does it because they were losing players because of that, so they choose to ban toxic players rather than keep lossing players.

    No it isn't

    Then tell why a game company would invest millions on a automated system and they main activity with support tickets are dealing with toxic behaviour?

    If toxic behaviour wouldn't damage their grow and profits then why they make (becuase they are still doing it) that investment in time and resources?

    You clearly don't know how much toxic behaviours are a thing that hurt any bussiness being a game industry or any other kind of bussiness.
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