How Balanced Are Classes Right Now!?

TrialMacameau · August 2017

Nvm, I just checked it

TheNobleNoble · August 2017

Let's see:
PvP -
Overpowered: Valk (maybe gunner with the new buffs)
Strong: Archer (one shot radiants, traps etc) sorc (a skill for every occasion), brawler
Alright: Warrior (pretty horrible in large scale PvP, but the king of 1v1's), Slayer (one shoting healers since 2012 )
Bad:Berserker (hardest and slowest class to learn imo)

In PvE:
Op: Valk, slaying zerk
Blah blah blah ( you have the chart)

66ECX7NAN7 · August 2017

You have to screw up pretty badly to actually die as a valk, considering it's a leather class that doesn't suffer from archer/slayer's low health or reaper's low endurance, has a double iframe with 4 second cooldown a backstab with 12 second cooldown and of course balder's tears.

Pixelator · August 2017

Hwasa wrote: »

Pixelator wrote: »

All classes are viable for clearing content so no "useless" tier.

Source: https://www.essentialmana.com/tier-list/

Omg, THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is EXACTLY what i was looking for, appreciate it so much!!!

Ketoth wrote: »

Pixelator wrote: »

All classes are viable for clearing content so no "useless" tier.

Source: https://www.essentialmana.com/tier-list/

i would increase gunner rank since we are getting the buff for them tomorrow

Oh, what rank would you increase Gunner to with the buff? And would you, or anyone here, decrease Valks when they get their nerf? If so, how far would you guess they'd fall to?

Thanks again you guys!! Glad to see all classes are decent.

Unfortunately, what the tier placement doesn't say is that the difference between S-tier and C-tier is about 75%. 1 Valk is worth almost 2 of Gunner/Ninja.

66ECX7NAN7 · August 2017

Good valks don't need to use balder's tears because they won't die if they don't use it. And if you use your roll to survive, you still get the bloodflower resets from dodging. You don't have to choose between using it for survival and using it for dps. I'm amazed some valks thinks their deaths are caused by the fact they get rewarded for well timed dodging. It's the classes that always lose dps when they have to dodge that have a real problem.

berrymilk · August 2017

when valkery get nerf and they stop every reaper aoe from steggaring it wil be balance lol

czczcz · August 2017

Pixelator wrote: »

Hwasa wrote: »

Pixelator wrote: »

All classes are viable for clearing content so no "useless" tier.

Source: https://www.essentialmana.com/tier-list/

Omg, THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is EXACTLY what i was looking for, appreciate it so much!!!

Ketoth wrote: »

Pixelator wrote: »

All classes are viable for clearing content so no "useless" tier.

Source: https://www.essentialmana.com/tier-list/

i would increase gunner rank since we are getting the buff for them tomorrow

Oh, what rank would you increase Gunner to with the buff? And would you, or anyone here, decrease Valks when they get their nerf? If so, how far would you guess they'd fall to?

Thanks again you guys!! Glad to see all classes are decent.

Unfortunately, what the tier placement doesn't say is that the difference between S-tier and C-tier is about 75%. 1 Valk is worth almost 2 of Gunner/Ninja.

Yep, it works out to about that in the data set the ranking uses.

In the meantime, anyone can check MG and look at averages, since most people will be that -- average. The biggest differences level out to be about ~25% at most, I think? Most classes are much closer.

Pixelator · August 2017

czczcz wrote: »

Pixelator wrote: »

Hwasa wrote: »

Pixelator wrote: »

All classes are viable for clearing content so no "useless" tier.

Source: https://www.essentialmana.com/tier-list/

Omg, THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is EXACTLY what i was looking for, appreciate it so much!!!

Ketoth wrote: »

Pixelator wrote: »

All classes are viable for clearing content so no "useless" tier.

Source: https://www.essentialmana.com/tier-list/

i would increase gunner rank since we are getting the buff for them tomorrow

Oh, what rank would you increase Gunner to with the buff? And would you, or anyone here, decrease Valks when they get their nerf? If so, how far would you guess they'd fall to?

Thanks again you guys!! Glad to see all classes are decent.

Unfortunately, what the tier placement doesn't say is that the difference between S-tier and C-tier is about 75%. 1 Valk is worth almost 2 of Gunner/Ninja.

Yep, it works out to about that in the data set the ranking uses.

In the meantime, anyone can check MG and look at averages, since most people will be that -- average. The biggest differences level out to be about ~25% at most, I think? Most classes are much closer.

I mean, if aiming to be mediocre is your thing, go for it...

Deleted User · August 2017

66ECX7NAN7 wrote: »

Overpowered, broken: Valkyrie
Okay: Warrior, archer, reaper, berserker, sorcerer
Less dps than a brawler, therefore useless: Gunner, ninja, slayer

gunner? hmm maybe no longer the case

Hwasa · August 2017

Thanks so much for the feedback you guys!!
I'm having a lot of fun on my valk, but I wanted to know if leveling certain alts was worthwhile. It's nice to know leveling my sorcerer will be worthwhile in PvP!

AshirogiMuto · August 2017

Less dps than a Brawler. Gunner"
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"Less dps" sure Bro
Only 1 day with the buff...

gib · August 2017

kubitoid wrote: »

66ECX7NAN7 wrote: »

slaying = be bellow 50% hp and use a slaying crystal

same could be applied to slayer, no?

well, zerkers have a passive on lethal strike(?) that increases their crit power(?) when they're below 50% hp, so you basically replace thunderstrike with lethal strike and u do a lot of dps

slayers only benefit from slaying with fury strike having more dps the lower hp u are (u have to be really low to do lots of damage vs zerker only has to be 49.9%)

mollyya · August 2017

Fury strike doesn't have any crit boost, lots of whites.
Fury strike doesn't contribute high enough damage compare to measured slice and bugged UOHS. It doesn't have that much impact to slayer's overall damage unlike zerk's lethal strike and vampiric blow.
Fury strike's scaling is awkward. it is 130% of tooltip damage when you have 40%~50%HP and 150% when you are between 30%~40%HP. It requires you to keep your HP extremely low to deal significant damage.

Slaying slayer used to be a thing during RG score run lol.

Pixelator · August 2017

mollyya wrote: »

Fury strike doesn't have any crit boost, lots of whites.
Fury strike doesn't contribute high enough damage compare to measured slice and bugged UOHS. It doesn't have that much impact to slayer's overall damage unlike zerk's lethal strike and vampiric blow.
Fury strike's scaling is awkward. it is 130% of tooltip damage when you have 40%~50%HP and 150% when you are between 30%~40%HP. It requires you to keep your HP extremely low to deal significant damage.

Slaying slayer used to be a thing during RG score run lol.

It made a resurgence in RMHM since it's pretty easy to keep your hp at a certain level.

Not so much in the new dungeons. Plus having an even harder time critting.

How Balanced Are Classes Right Now!?

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