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Ideas for improving existing BGs

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  • FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Also i never even said they were useless

    Hm...
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    the healing there is terrible and barely does anything
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    The fact that a healer can easily be one-shotted even more proves that its terrible.
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    its easy to kill a healer

    I guess that means you think healers are great!
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    MiskuChan wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Also i never even said they were useless

    Hm...
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    the healing there is terrible and barely does anything
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    The fact that a healer can easily be one-shotted even more proves that its terrible.
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    its easy to kill a healer

    I guess that means you think healers are great!

    He wants for healers to be tanks as well.

    And he doesn't acknowledge that is even easier to one shot a healer in an uneq battleground, thats unless you have BiS and even with that another DPS with BiS can one shot him, if killing fast means for him to one shot because you cant one shot anyone with full health and with healers buffs in a BGs.
  • ElinUsagi wrote: »
    MiskuChan wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Also i never even said they were useless

    Hm...
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    the healing there is terrible and barely does anything
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    The fact that a healer can easily be one-shotted even more proves that its terrible.
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    its easy to kill a healer

    I guess that means you think healers are great!

    He wants for healers to be tanks as well.

    And he doesn't acknowledge that is even easier to one shot a healer in an uneq battleground, thats unless you have BiS and even with that another DPS with BiS can one shot him, if killing fast means for him to one shot because you cant one shot anyone with full health and with healers buffs in a BGs.

    What I want is none of what you said so once again stop putting words in other people's mouths. Let me clarify what I have been meaning, what I mean that with equalized gear half the cooldowns that some healers would need to survive, or that some dps/tanks on teams yell at us for is what un-equalized gear can make up for.

    If you continue to misinterpret then idk what to do with you.
  • FaytEsteemFaytEsteem ✭✭✭
    edited August 2017
    MiskuChan wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Also i never even said they were useless

    Hm...
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    the healing there is terrible and barely does anything
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    The fact that a healer can easily be one-shotted even more proves that its terrible.
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    its easy to kill a healer

    I guess that means you think healers are great!

    Idk...you're basically just trying to twist my words around just to fit this whole thing into your point of view.

    So i'll let you just stay in your little world and be happy.
  • BorsucBorsuc ✭✭✭
    edited August 2017
    MiskuChan wrote: »
    If healers are so useless and easy to kill in equalised you should go fight in BGs without a healer, let me know how that goes for you.

    Healers in this game have always been a spoiled overpowered class.
    QFT
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Let me clarify what I have been meaning, what I mean that with equalized gear half the cooldowns that some healers would need to survive
    They don't need it, they "want" it. Like @MiskuChan said, going without a healer is [filtered] [seriously, "killing yourself" word is filtered], thus healers are perfectly balanced in eq gear.
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    And how the hell do you expect to go into a BG without a healer anyways -.-?
    Tell your healers to stay at base for an experiment? But really, we don't need such an experiment, we already know the outcome of a fight without healers on one side.

    Repeat this after me: if healers are useless, then whether a healer goes afk or not should not matter, the outcome will be the same. This is the definition of "useless". You can't make up your own.

    However, if they are needed, then no amount of any other class (non-healer class) replacing them would yield the same outcome. This, is what they call, "balance".
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭

    FaytEsteem wrote: »

    What I want is none of what you said so once again stop putting words in other people's mouths. Let me clarify what I have been meaning, what I mean that with equalized gear half the cooldowns that some healers would need to survive, or that some dps/tanks on teams yell at us for is what un-equalized gear can make up for.

    If you continue to misinterpret then idk what to do with you.
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    The fact that a healer can easily be one-shotted even more proves that its terrible.

    Having unequalized gear and equalized gear kinda has both advantages and disadvantages. Yeah having equalized gear favors one class over the other. while unequalized gear can cause 1 player to survive more against said class that would normally mop the floor with them.

    You don't acknowledge the fact any class can be one shooted, if you mean that as to kill really fast someone, when mathing players in uneq BGs and when in BiS you can really one shot another player that have no BiS in a BG. Now do you see that you really are complaining to be able to play BGs with your farmed gear and don't really care for balance?

    Making BGs uneq break any posible balance in them, unless all people matched there have the same tier gear, the same tier jewellery, the same tier etchings, the same tier brooch. Can't you understand how many variables are added to an uneq match? Haven't you realized that an uneq match makes even worst match making balance also? Haven't you realized that a new player in the game that haven't farmed the best gear will be now more discriminated from BGs and by this kicked more often from BGs? Why if I am good at BGs but don't want to bother farming gear? Those that means that having skills dont matter but now you have to grind so you won't be kicked by your team mates?

    I see where people are coming with the uneq and that is only because they need their full +15 with t4 etchings, Trap/Lock jewellery and Quatrefoil/Marrow brooch to show their truth skills.... yeah right n_n
  • BorsucBorsuc ✭✭✭
    edited August 2017
    Don't forget those players who said "the eq gear isn't so bad for people without gear" when the BG was semi-eq (i.e. eq below a certain ilvl). Yes this same gear "wasn't so bad" because they got to one-shot them of course. I mean, now they say even eq vs eq is bad, imagine "better gear" vs eq!

    It's good when it's on others, bad when they have to use it, you see.
  • xoBarbxoBarb ✭✭✭

    Borsuc wrote: »
    Don't forget those players who said "the eq gear isn't so bad for people without gear" when the BG was semi-eq (i.e. eq below a certain ilvl). Yes this same gear "wasn't so bad" because they got to one-shot them of course. I mean, now they say even eq vs eq is bad, imagine "better gear" vs eq!

    It's good when it's on others, bad when they have to use it, you see.

    Who are you talking about or is this a strawman to try to justify how dogshit healers are in EQ gear
  • ElinUsagi wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »

    What I want is none of what you said so once again stop putting words in other people's mouths. Let me clarify what I have been meaning, what I mean that with equalized gear half the cooldowns that some healers would need to survive, or that some dps/tanks on teams yell at us for is what un-equalized gear can make up for.

    If you continue to misinterpret then idk what to do with you.
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    The fact that a healer can easily be one-shotted even more proves that its terrible.

    Having unequalized gear and equalized gear kinda has both advantages and disadvantages. Yeah having equalized gear favors one class over the other. while unequalized gear can cause 1 player to survive more against said class that would normally mop the floor with them.

    You don't acknowledge the fact any class can be one shooted, if you mean that as to kill really fast someone, when mathing players in uneq BGs and when in BiS you can really one shot another player that have no BiS in a BG. Now do you see that you really are complaining to be able to play BGs with your farmed gear and don't really care for balance?

    Making BGs uneq break any posible balance in them, unless all people matched there have the same tier gear, the same tier jewellery, the same tier etchings, the same tier brooch. Can't you understand how many variables are added to an uneq match? Haven't you realized that an uneq match makes even worst match making balance also? Haven't you realized that a new player in the game that haven't farmed the best gear will be now more discriminated from BGs and by this kicked more often from BGs? Why if I am good at BGs but don't want to bother farming gear? Those that means that having skills dont matter but now you have to grind so you won't be kicked by your team mates?

    I see where people are coming with the uneq and that is only because they need their full +15 with t4 etchings, Trap/Lock jewellery and Quatrefoil/Marrow brooch to show their truth skills.... yeah right n_n

    Are you trolling? because this whole time it seems that you are.

    You don't acknowledge the fact that both equalized and un-equalized gear have no real balance at all and are soo hyped up on equalized gear. Can't you understand how equalized gear is basically an unbalanced thing because it favors classes more than others? I don't think you do at all. Haven't you realized that in equalized gear some pvp'ers would rather be in un equalized so they can have their rolls and actually do something for once? No i don't think you have but i guess that's fine.
  • BorsucBorsuc ✭✭✭
    edited August 2017
    xoBarb wrote: »
    Who are you talking about or is this a strawman to try to justify how dogshit healers are in EQ gear
    I have no idea who tbh, I mean like 1 year ago or more, this sort of thing was pretty common when people were complaining about being one-shot in eq gear etc? I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone specific. (obviously, didn't even remember the names...)
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Are you trolling? because this whole time it seems that you are.

    You don't acknowledge the fact that both equalized and un-equalized gear have no real balance at all and are soo hyped up on equalized gear. Can't you understand how equalized gear is basically an unbalanced thing because it favors classes more than others? I don't think you do at all. Haven't you realized that in equalized gear some pvp'ers would rather be in un equalized so they can have their rolls and actually do something for once? No i don't think you have but i guess that's fine.

    Oh, but you don't acknowledge uneq favor other classes more than others also and even you don't acknowledge that uneq brings more variables in favor for those who have full BiS.

    Yeah right must hurt not being able to use all that farmed gear vs guile and misery players in a BG and because of that you say eq gear has no real balance... oh wait uneq is called because of that because uneq = no balance wow.
  • xoBarbxoBarb ✭✭✭
    edited August 2017
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Are you trolling? because this whole time it seems that you are.

    You don't acknowledge the fact that both equalized and un-equalized gear have no real balance at all and are soo hyped up on equalized gear. Can't you understand how equalized gear is basically an unbalanced thing because it favors classes more than others? I don't think you do at all. Haven't you realized that in equalized gear some pvp'ers would rather be in un equalized so they can have their rolls and actually do something for once? No i don't think you have but i guess that's fine.

    Oh, but you don't acknowledge uneq favor other classes more than others also and even you don't acknowledge that uneq brings more variables in favor for those who have full BiS.

    Yeah right must hurt not being able to use all that farmed gear vs guile and misery players in a BG and because of that you say eq gear has no real balance... oh wait uneq is called because of that because uneq = no balance wow.

    The class imbalance gap between classes is extremely less with UNEQ gear than it is with EQ gear.

    Easy example,
    A 15 DW valk is not going to 100-0 other 15 DW players
    An EQ geared valk is going to 100-0 other EQ players

    Sure theres the undesirable fact that UNEQ rewards people who play the game and invest time/$ into gearing but how is that bad compared to EQ BGs where the class imbalance is so predominant you can accurately predict which team is going to win before the game starts.


  • ElinUsagi wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Are you trolling? because this whole time it seems that you are.

    You don't acknowledge the fact that both equalized and un-equalized gear have no real balance at all and are soo hyped up on equalized gear. Can't you understand how equalized gear is basically an unbalanced thing because it favors classes more than others? I don't think you do at all. Haven't you realized that in equalized gear some pvp'ers would rather be in un equalized so they can have their rolls and actually do something for once? No i don't think you have but i guess that's fine.

    Oh, but you don't acknowledge uneq favor other classes more than others also and even you don't acknowledge that uneq brings more variables in favor for those who have full BiS.

    Yeah right must hurt not being able to use all that farmed gear vs guile and misery players in a BG and because of that you say eq gear has no real balance... oh wait uneq is called because of that because uneq = no balance wow.

    Oooooh i get it now, let me guess when FWC was unequalized a +15 player kept killing you am i right? And a guile/misery player would at least think to work on getting conflate for pvp instead of going into a bg with what they have instead.

    Unequalized gear allows players who actually farmed for their gear to use those rolls/skills in a battleground instead of equalized gear that limits others. If you haven't noticed not every class is actually favorable in equalized gear.

    Like i said at this point I believe you're trolling.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Unequalized gear allows players who actually farmed for their gear to use those rolls/skills in a battleground instead of equalized gear that limits others. If you haven't noticed not every class is actually favorable in equalized gear.

    Like i said at this point I believe you're trolling.

    I am let you make the talk so you can see with your own words how you dont care about balace but your farmed gear and you keep denying uneq favors some classes over others so the one trolling seems another person.
    xoBarb wrote: »

    The class imbalance gap between classes is extremely less with UNEQ gear than it is with EQ gear.

    Easy example,
    A 15 DW valk is not going to 100-0 other 15 DW players
    An EQ geared valk is going to 100-0 other EQ players

    Sure theres the undesirable fact that UNEQ rewards people who play the game and invest time/$ into gearing but how is that bad compared to EQ BGs where the class imbalance is so predominant you can accurately predict which team is going to win before the game starts.


    The class imbalance gap bewtween classes will only be that way if everyone would be in the same scenario you are talking but that is not the case in uneq BG.

    Your own argument lose many of his weight when you have to take into consideration as i said avobe tier gear (enchantment level), etchings, jewellery and rolls on them, brooches.

    And in if you had to make guess then I can tell you that if in a uneq all players have the same gear and we asume everyone has the same skill then you can know who is going to win only looking at the team comp.

    Most people here defending uneq bring cases of advantages in eq that are present in uneq but in uneq there are mor variables in game making the match making even worse than is right now.

    The only thing I can think is that people in +15 wants uneq so they can have more chances to shine but really lacks on skills to do it in an eq gear so they have to cover that with gear buffs.
  • ElinUsagi wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Unequalized gear allows players who actually farmed for their gear to use those rolls/skills in a battleground instead of equalized gear that limits others. If you haven't noticed not every class is actually favorable in equalized gear.

    Like i said at this point I believe you're trolling.

    I am let you make the talk so you can see with your own words how you dont care about balace but your farmed gear and you keep denying uneq favors some classes over others so the one trolling seems another person.
    xoBarb wrote: »

    The class imbalance gap between classes is extremely less with UNEQ gear than it is with EQ gear.

    Easy example,
    A 15 DW valk is not going to 100-0 other 15 DW players
    An EQ geared valk is going to 100-0 other EQ players

    Sure theres the undesirable fact that UNEQ rewards people who play the game and invest time/$ into gearing but how is that bad compared to EQ BGs where the class imbalance is so predominant you can accurately predict which team is going to win before the game starts.


    The class imbalance gap bewtween classes will only be that way if everyone would be in the same scenario you are talking but that is not the case in uneq BG.

    Your own argument lose many of his weight when you have to take into consideration as i said avobe tier gear (enchantment level), etchings, jewellery and rolls on them, brooches.

    And in if you had to make guess then I can tell you that if in a uneq all players have the same gear and we asume everyone has the same skill then you can know who is going to win only looking at the team comp.

    Most people here defending uneq bring cases of advantages in eq that are present in uneq but in uneq there are mor variables in game making the match making even worse than is right now.

    The only thing I can think is that people in +15 wants uneq so they can have more chances to shine but really lacks on skills to do it in an eq gear so they have to cover that with gear buffs.

    Omg, you truly love to troll xD no the only one here trolling is you. I've seen you in recent pvp posts and have seen other deal with your crap. I care about balance yeah and I never said that I was one of the ones who farmed their gear for pvp but i'll just leave you to your happy little clouded world.
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