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Ideas for improving existing BGs

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  • ElinUsagi wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Borsuc wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    I would question your label as well, since there actually are some Pvpers doing PvE content in the game.
    Nobody said a PvP player can't enjoy PvE or even a totally unrelated game. There is a difference between enjoying PvE for what it is, and doing it for PvP and then labeling that a PvP player.

    And like I said earlier, there are some PvP people who don't mind doing PvE content for gear.

    Oh! You mean those so called PvPers that don't want to get in an eq battleground because they won't be able to use their farmed gear?

    Oh yeah! They should be great pvpers if the lack of a pve element is making them hating pvp content.

    Oh! no I mean the PvPers who actually work hard to get their gear for pvp and want un-equalized battlegrounds because equalized gear is terrible.

    But it's not like you would understand at all! Since I doubt you do any pvp in the game.

    Do you even know how many combinations on races and classes you can make at least?

    If one as a PvPer want to enjoy every aspect of the game at that "balance" you and your so called PvPers friends labeled it then you wont be able to reach it on more than half of them in every patch and maybe not even a 1/10 of that combinations, but as a PvEer that you mostly are disguising you as a PvPer you dont care more than your main race and class combination after all.

    In a real fair and balance enviroment for PvPers you would get the option to fo in BGs with all diferent combinations in races and classes because each race have low bonus stats that will make your experience in PvP diferent, something that a PvEer wont care at all because small advantages or disadvantages won't stop you from do that content, you can do properly HM dungeons in Guile and tier 2 etchings and you can do HH even in mid tier gear, however in PvP if you are on Misery with tier 2 etchings, simple brooch, and the basic inner dougal gives you after reaching lvl 65, you won't be able to win against an Oblit player with t4 etchings, new inners and marrow brooch even if the Misery player is slightly better than the blit player in PvP the diference in bonus stats is so great that the outcome is decided even before starting the battle.

    There is for you and for your so called PvPers friends that just seems to be PvEers that do PvP content for amusement and not for competitive scene.

    I'm not one to complain mostly...but what the heck are you going on about now? Half the stuff you say on forums is mainly nonsense dude.

    For someone who doesn't care for PvP is nonsense because as PvEer you won't care for anything but your main class but for someone who cares about PvP then one would want to enjoy every class in a fair match as much as posible.

    Obviously a PvEer as yourself wont understand that because your only objetive in game is have BiS and then showing off to others. That is not what a PvPer are looking for in a game dude.

    No, its hard to understand half the stuff you type because either its full of nonsense that you just make up, or improper grammar. Its clear to me that you're probably a person who got rekt in bg's soo much that you want it to be equalized.

    I never said I was straight up PvE nor did I say I was PvP now did I? That's where you're jumping to conclusions and you need to take a seat and relax.

    My only objective in game is to just play and have fun, but since equalized gear in bg's such as fwc and gridiron are terrible for healers I would rather have them be un-equalized.

  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    My only objective in game is to just play and have fun, but since equalized gear in bg's such as fwc and gridiron are terrible for healers I would rather have them be un-equalized.

    That would be the fear that you can't overcome in a match because you don't know how to play unless you are in BiS vs low tier geared adversaries.

    Since you don't care about competitive scene and fair matches then is obvious that you will trow things that doesn't make sense like saying you need uneq to do PvP content but I am pretty sure as a healer you don't even know which is the best armor chest for PvP.

    Try to make a guess and you will be surpriced how things in OW PvP hasn't make any progress at defense PvP stats since dreadnaught/starfall patch gear.
  • ElinUsagi wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    My only objective in game is to just play and have fun, but since equalized gear in bg's such as fwc and gridiron are terrible for healers I would rather have them be un-equalized.

    That would be the fear that you can't overcome in a match because you don't know how to play unless you are in BiS vs low tier geared adversaries.

    Since you don't care about competitive scene and fair matches then is obvious that you will trow things that doesn't make sense like saying you need uneq to do PvP content but I am pretty sure as a healer you don't even know which is the best armor chest for PvP.

    Try to make a guess and you will be surpriced how things in OW PvP hasn't make any progress at defense PvP stats since dreadnaught/starfall patch gear.

    No....it actually doesn't mean that...you're just spitting out nonsense once again -.-

    Ppl have said before in the post that equalized gear for healers is terrible...which I think you missed but that's fine..you miss a lot of things.

    I'm still convinced you've never done any pvp bg and at this point you're just trolling.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2017
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    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    My only objective in game is to just play and have fun, but since equalized gear in bg's such as fwc and gridiron are terrible for healers I would rather have them be un-equalized.

    That would be the fear that you can't overcome in a match because you don't know how to play unless you are in BiS vs low tier geared adversaries.

    Since you don't care about competitive scene and fair matches then is obvious that you will trow things that doesn't make sense like saying you need uneq to do PvP content but I am pretty sure as a healer you don't even know which is the best armor chest for PvP.

    Try to make a guess and you will be surpriced how things in OW PvP hasn't make any progress at defense PvP stats since dreadnaught/starfall patch gear.

    No....it actually doesn't mean that...you're just spitting out nonsense once again -.-

    Ppl have said before in the post that equalized gear for healers is terrible...which I think you missed but that's fine..you miss a lot of things.

    I'm still convinced you've never done any pvp bg and at this point you're just trolling.

    I can say the same about you, saying uneq is better just because you as a healer don't know where to be at or your team simply doesn't care about healers safety and you end-up with the "if a I had my uneq gear I would have survived" but sadly that is not the vs OP classes that will kill you before ending their combo unless you are talking about surviving as an BiS gear healer vs mid tier gear dps. That would make you a really lame healer at PvP content.

    An even now if you don't know which is the best gear chest for healers PvP content then that makes your suggestion even more trolling as you are suggesting something without even knowing what offers all the options avaliable.

    You don't care for match balance nor fair matches but only you care for the posibility to use your PvE gear in a BG against others that have lower tier gear than you.

    And after all this talking I can conclude that UNEQ would bring more harm to a competitive scenario in PvP so it would be better BHS would make an equalized gear similar as conflate or dreadnaught for PvP content rather than have a mix of players with diferent stats in gear because enchantments and tier on accesories, inners, brooches even being the same class because that would make the match making even worse than is already.

    I can guess that you won't even try to guess how BHS makes they match making and because of that you don't care about those "minor details" but If you would really care about improving BG experience for players you don't only would think about "muh gear" but also at how the system makes their match making and you will be surprised at how many variables are trown when you add uneq to the matches making almost imposible for tha system to work on a fair and balanced experience for those who run BGs.

    Edit: Even better if EME can suggest to BHS to bring back PvP defense factor for gear as it used to be accordingly to the PvP attack factor on weapons. That will make most of the uneq gear more viable for PvP content.
  • ElinUsagi wrote: »
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    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    My only objective in game is to just play and have fun, but since equalized gear in bg's such as fwc and gridiron are terrible for healers I would rather have them be un-equalized.

    That would be the fear that you can't overcome in a match because you don't know how to play unless you are in BiS vs low tier geared adversaries.

    Since you don't care about competitive scene and fair matches then is obvious that you will trow things that doesn't make sense like saying you need uneq to do PvP content but I am pretty sure as a healer you don't even know which is the best armor chest for PvP.

    Try to make a guess and you will be surpriced how things in OW PvP hasn't make any progress at defense PvP stats since dreadnaught/starfall patch gear.

    No....it actually doesn't mean that...you're just spitting out nonsense once again -.-

    Ppl have said before in the post that equalized gear for healers is terrible...which I think you missed but that's fine..you miss a lot of things.

    I'm still convinced you've never done any pvp bg and at this point you're just trolling.

    I can say the same about you, saying uneq is better just because you as a healer don't know where to be at or your team simply doesn't care about healers safety and you end-up with the "if a I had my uneq gear I would have survived" but sadly that is not the vs OP classes that will kill you before ending their combo unless you are talking about surviving as an BiS gear healer vs mid tier gear dps. That would make you a really lame healer at PvP content.

    An even now if you don't know which is the best gear chest for healers PvP content then that makes your suggestion even more trolling as you are suggesting something without even knowing what offers all the options avaliable.

    You don't care for match balance nor fair matches but only you care for the posibility to use your PvE gear in a BG against others that have lower tier gear than you.

    And after all this talking I can conclude that UNEQ would bring more harm to a competitive scenario in PvP so it would be better BHS would make an equalized gear similar as conflate or dreadnaught for PvP content rather than have a mix of players with diferent stats in gear because enchantments and tier on accesories, inners, brooches even being the same class because that would make the match making even worse than is already.

    I can guess that you won't even try to guess how BHS makes they match making and because of that you don't care about those "minor details" but If you would really care about improving BG experience for players you don't only would think about "muh gear" but also at how the system makes their match making and you will be surprised at how many variables are trown when you add uneq to the matches making almost imposible for tha system to work on a fair and balanced experience for those who run BGs.

    Edit: Even better if EME can suggest to BHS to bring back PvP defense factor for gear as it used to be accordingly to the PvP attack factor on weapons. That will make most of the uneq gear more viable for PvP content.

    No, i don't think you actually can, like I said before i really don't think you do any of the pvp bg's at all and at this point you're just too [filtered] and spitting out non-sense.

    At this point you just sound like some person who like I said before has gotten beaten in several bg's or even kicked in some bg's.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2017
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    .
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    My only objective in game is to just play and have fun, but since equalized gear in bg's such as fwc and gridiron are terrible for healers I would rather have them be un-equalized.

    That would be the fear that you can't overcome in a match because you don't know how to play unless you are in BiS vs low tier geared adversaries.

    Since you don't care about competitive scene and fair matches then is obvious that you will trow things that doesn't make sense like saying you need uneq to do PvP content but I am pretty sure as a healer you don't even know which is the best armor chest for PvP.

    Try to make a guess and you will be surpriced how things in OW PvP hasn't make any progress at defense PvP stats since dreadnaught/starfall patch gear.

    No....it actually doesn't mean that...you're just spitting out nonsense once again -.-

    Ppl have said before in the post that equalized gear for healers is terrible...which I think you missed but that's fine..you miss a lot of things.

    I'm still convinced you've never done any pvp bg and at this point you're just trolling.

    I can say the same about you, saying uneq is better just because you as a healer don't know where to be at or your team simply doesn't care about healers safety and you end-up with the "if a I had my uneq gear I would have survived" but sadly that is not the vs OP classes that will kill you before ending their combo unless you are talking about surviving as an BiS gear healer vs mid tier gear dps. That would make you a really lame healer at PvP content.

    An even now if you don't know which is the best gear chest for healers PvP content then that makes your suggestion even more trolling as you are suggesting something without even knowing what offers all the options avaliable.

    You don't care for match balance nor fair matches but only you care for the posibility to use your PvE gear in a BG against others that have lower tier gear than you.

    And after all this talking I can conclude that UNEQ would bring more harm to a competitive scenario in PvP so it would be better BHS would make an equalized gear similar as conflate or dreadnaught for PvP content rather than have a mix of players with diferent stats in gear because enchantments and tier on accesories, inners, brooches even being the same class because that would make the match making even worse than is already.

    I can guess that you won't even try to guess how BHS makes they match making and because of that you don't care about those "minor details" but If you would really care about improving BG experience for players you don't only would think about "muh gear" but also at how the system makes their match making and you will be surprised at how many variables are trown when you add uneq to the matches making almost imposible for tha system to work on a fair and balanced experience for those who run BGs.

    Edit: Even better if EME can suggest to BHS to bring back PvP defense factor for gear as it used to be accordingly to the PvP attack factor on weapons. That will make most of the uneq gear more viable for PvP content.

    No, i don't think you actually can, like I said before i really don't think you do any of the pvp bg's at all and at this point you're just too [filtered] and spitting out non-sense.

    At this point you just sound like some person who like I said before has gotten beaten in several bg's or even kicked in some bg's.

    Says the healer crying that he get reck on BGs and needs his uneq gear to be able to "show their true skills" in pvp content.

    So far you havent make a real usefull suggestion about something to improve BGs and the only thing you keep on is to bring back uneq gear without even knowing the pros and con from that kind of suggestion.
  • ElinUsagi wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    .
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    My only objective in game is to just play and have fun, but since equalized gear in bg's such as fwc and gridiron are terrible for healers I would rather have them be un-equalized.

    That would be the fear that you can't overcome in a match because you don't know how to play unless you are in BiS vs low tier geared adversaries.

    Since you don't care about competitive scene and fair matches then is obvious that you will trow things that doesn't make sense like saying you need uneq to do PvP content but I am pretty sure as a healer you don't even know which is the best armor chest for PvP.

    Try to make a guess and you will be surpriced how things in OW PvP hasn't make any progress at defense PvP stats since dreadnaught/starfall patch gear.

    No....it actually doesn't mean that...you're just spitting out nonsense once again -.-

    Ppl have said before in the post that equalized gear for healers is terrible...which I think you missed but that's fine..you miss a lot of things.

    I'm still convinced you've never done any pvp bg and at this point you're just trolling.

    I can say the same about you, saying uneq is better just because you as a healer don't know where to be at or your team simply doesn't care about healers safety and you end-up with the "if a I had my uneq gear I would have survived" but sadly that is not the vs OP classes that will kill you before ending their combo unless you are talking about surviving as an BiS gear healer vs mid tier gear dps. That would make you a really lame healer at PvP content.

    An even now if you don't know which is the best gear chest for healers PvP content then that makes your suggestion even more trolling as you are suggesting something without even knowing what offers all the options avaliable.

    You don't care for match balance nor fair matches but only you care for the posibility to use your PvE gear in a BG against others that have lower tier gear than you.

    And after all this talking I can conclude that UNEQ would bring more harm to a competitive scenario in PvP so it would be better BHS would make an equalized gear similar as conflate or dreadnaught for PvP content rather than have a mix of players with diferent stats in gear because enchantments and tier on accesories, inners, brooches even being the same class because that would make the match making even worse than is already.

    I can guess that you won't even try to guess how BHS makes they match making and because of that you don't care about those "minor details" but If you would really care about improving BG experience for players you don't only would think about "muh gear" but also at how the system makes their match making and you will be surprised at how many variables are trown when you add uneq to the matches making almost imposible for tha system to work on a fair and balanced experience for those who run BGs.

    Edit: Even better if EME can suggest to BHS to bring back PvP defense factor for gear as it used to be accordingly to the PvP attack factor on weapons. That will make most of the uneq gear more viable for PvP content.

    No, i don't think you actually can, like I said before i really don't think you do any of the pvp bg's at all and at this point you're just too [filtered] and spitting out non-sense.

    At this point you just sound like some person who like I said before has gotten beaten in several bg's or even kicked in some bg's.

    Says the healer crying that he get reck on BGs and needs his uneq gear to be able to "show their true skills" in pvp content.

    I never said I got rekt in bg's xD omg you truly are hilarious, various healers in bg's complain how un equalized gear was better.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    I think EME could use something similar to anniversary tokens in battlegrounds, they can keep the victory box and the scroll for those who lose but they could also add ie. 5 tokens for victory and 1 for lose.

    With this in mind they could come with the tradeable prices with tokens like ie. envy crystals 50 tokens, bonanza box 10 tokens, keytrumph badge 10 tokens...

    There is much EME could do to reward those who run battlegrounds without have BHS make a huge investment because EME staff could handle those kind of things perfectly.

    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    If you're talking about pvp bg's then unequalized gear would favor PvP players more than PvE players.

    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    @Vunak

    Then why not ask for an equalizad gear that can be customized (rerollable stats) outside the BG so when you join you had your EQ gear with the set you need to perform at optimal level?

    What I am arguing and it seems many people don't get is about diference in base stats when you are uneq that in many cases if you are in mid tier gear you will be against other people (or matched with) that their gear gives them more than 18% better base stats plus 2 extra lines on weapon+armor. In a PvP battleground that kind of diference in stats is quite the advantage for any skilled player.

    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Did you know that there are pvpers who want to grind for their gear and do un equalized battlegounds?

    Equalized gear isn't all that great since for 1 its a pain for healers and 2 it ruins the hard work most pvpers put into getting their gear that they want to use in pvp. Equalized gear won't make you the same as other contenders. I wonder if you've done fwc, cs, or grid at all since you said that.


    I even see in page 11 repeated 9 times the post above

    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Did I say anything about EME or BHS? I think not, read plz.


    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Dude....even if it is class against class in the same gear against all other classes they hardly stand a chance. If you haven't noticed most healers in battlegrounds are complaining that the gear for them is terrible and how they would love to have their cooldowns giving them the advantage. And how do you know that people who want to use the gear that they worked for have a lack of skill?

    Pvp isn't balanced when you put a new class against an old class. Nor is it balanced when one team has a front line while the other just has five healers and dps.


    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Literally it sounds like you just put a bunch of nonsense and I start to question do you even do any of the pvp bg's.

    First off if its easy to kill a healer, not only that but in case you haven't done Gridiron the healing there is terrible and barely does anything. The fact that a healer can easily be one-shotted even more proves that its terrible. I'm not even going to bother breaking down the rest, but what you said for #3.....are you saying the only way battlegrounds will be balanced if all classes that are the same go up against eachother?

    Having unequalized gear and equalized gear kinda has both advantages and disadvantages. Yeah having equalized gear favors one class over the other. while unequalized gear can cause 1 player to survive more against said class that would normally mop the floor with them.


    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    First off.....everything you just said in that sentence proves that you are already a waste. And how the hell do you expect to go into a BG without a healer anyways -.-? Yeah possible to kick every healer but I doubt anyone would do that.

    Also i never even said they were useless and if you somehow interpreted that I did then you missed my point.


    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    What I want is none of what you said so once again stop putting words in other people's mouths. Let me clarify what I have been meaning, what I mean that with equalized gear half the cooldowns that some healers would need to survive, or that some dps/tanks on teams yell at us for is what un-equalized gear can make up for.

    If you continue to misinterpret then idk what to do with you.


    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Are you trolling? because this whole time it seems that you are.

    You don't acknowledge the fact that both equalized and un-equalized gear have no real balance at all and are soo hyped up on equalized gear. Can't you understand how equalized gear is basically an unbalanced thing because it favors classes more than others? I don't think you do at all. Haven't you realized that in equalized gear some pvp'ers would rather be in un equalized so they can have their rolls and actually do something for once? No i don't think you have but i guess that's fine.


    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Oooooh i get it now, let me guess when FWC was unequalized a +15 player kept killing you am i right? And a guile/misery player would at least think to work on getting conflate for pvp instead of going into a bg with what they have instead.

    Unequalized gear allows players who actually farmed for their gear to use those rolls/skills in a battleground instead of equalized gear that limits others. If you haven't noticed not every class is actually favorable in equalized gear.

    Like i said at this point I believe you're trolling.


    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Omg, you truly love to troll xD no the only one here trolling is you. I've seen you in recent pvp posts and have seen other deal with your crap. I care about balance yeah and I never said that I was one of the ones who farmed their gear for pvp but i'll just leave you to your happy little clouded world.

    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    Either way BHS should make all BGs equalized in top gear and let the players choose their own rerollable stats or revamp the equalized gear to a certain point that can give a similar experience that you have with your PvE gear.

    Or even better, if people here really care about balance and fairness in mathches then make uneq BGs in a way that don't allow people who dont have oblit +15 with tier 4 etchings, pvp resized jewellery, marrow, diadem brooch and new inners. Otherwise all the talk about balance and competitive scene is just castles in the sky.

    People that looks for competitive scene hates every single bit of handycap a team can get just because the other players have more time to farm for their bonusses stats in gear.
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    If you wat to improve the experience for players on existing BGs making them uneq you should first make them in a way that you can get directly from them BiS and all required materials to get your BiS, Etchings, Inners, Jewellery, Brooches, Diadems; otherwise it yould never be a fair competition between PvPers and PvEers.

    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    There are PvPers who don't mind doing PvE content for PvP gear...


    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Some for gear, others because they got threatened to do it.


    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    And like I said earlier, there are some PvP people who don't mind doing PvE content for gear.


    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    Oh! no I mean the PvPers who actually work hard to get their gear for pvp and want un-equalized battlegrounds because equalized gear is terrible.

    But it's not like you would understand at all! Since I doubt you do any pvp in the game.


    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    I'm not one to complain mostly...but what the heck are you going on about now? Half the stuff you say on forums is mainly nonsense dude.


    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    No, its hard to understand half the stuff you type because either its full of nonsense that you just make up, or improper grammar. Its clear to me that you're probably a person who got rekt in bg's soo much that you want it to be equalized.

    I never said I was straight up PvE nor did I say I was PvP now did I? That's where you're jumping to conclusions and you need to take a seat and relax.

    My only objective in game is to just play and have fun, but since equalized gear in bg's such as fwc and gridiron are terrible for healers I would rather have them be un-equalized.

    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    And after all this talking I can conclude that UNEQ would bring more harm to a competitive scenario in PvP so it would be better BHS would make an equalized gear similar as conflate or dreadnaught for PvP content rather than have a mix of players with diferent stats in gear because enchantments and tier on accesories, inners, brooches even being the same class because that would make the match making even worse than is already.

    Edit: Even better if EME can suggest to BHS to bring back PvP defense factor for gear as it used to be accordingly to the PvP attack factor on weapons. That will make most of the uneq gear more viable for PvP content.

    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    No, i don't think you actually can, like I said before i really don't think you do any of the pvp bg's at all and at this point you're just too [filtered] and spitting out non-sense.

    At this point you just sound like some person who like I said before has gotten beaten in several bg's or even kicked in some bg's.


    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    I never said I got rekt in bg's xD omg you truly are hilarious, various healers in bg's complain how un equalized gear was better.


    So far in all your post you have been trolling others the whole time, even at the point to post 9 times the same post in the same page (talking about trolls huh).

    I have made suggestions since the first post but you came to this thread since your first post without even making one, and the only thing you suggest is to bring back uneq because is better for healers but you don't prove is better for most classes than eq gear then that suggestion lacks bases to support it.

    You don't even care about this thread and you already stated that in one of your post and continue trolling anyway.
  • gibgib ✭✭✭
    ElinUsagi wrote: »

    Says the healer crying that he get reck on BGs and needs his uneq gear to be able to "show their true skills" in pvp content.

    So far you havent make a real usefull suggestion about something to improve BGs and the only thing you keep on is to bring back uneq gear without even knowing the pros and con from that kind of suggestion.

    to be fair, most of your comments in this thread have been "equalized gear isnt bad you're just bad at healer and need ur gear to carry u xd xd xd xd"

    it's plainly obvious that skill or not, in equalized battlegrounds healers are complete garbage. they can get one combo'd by every dps in the game. and that's not a matter of skill. all it takes is one confirm and you're dead.

    BiS gear and unequalized pvp is a better option than the current situation, but a revamped equalized gear system with re-rollable gear would be the best solution.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    gib wrote: »
    to be fair, most of your comments in this thread have been "equalized gear isnt bad you're just bad at healer and need ur gear to carry u xd xd xd xd"

    it's plainly obvious that skill or not, in equalized battlegrounds healers are complete garbage. they can get one combo'd by every dps in the game. and that's not a matter of skill. all it takes is one confirm and you're dead.

    BiS gear and unequalized pvp is a better option than the current situation, but a revamped equalized gear system with re-rollable gear would be the best solution.

    To be fair I at least posted some suggestions but your friend keeps complaining about "healers issues" that I would address as skill issues if you say uneq gear is better and you know is not unless you compare BiS vs BiS, otherwise is even worst than eq gear on BGs.

    Skill or not, in uneq gear you can erase a healer in mid or low tier gear with a BiS gear dps, some people complain even that doing 20k healing is low when is not, you cant hope a healer with 3 secs cd on healing that can heal more than half of allies health to be called a balanced class and even more, making a support class the hardest class to kill is also something out of balance, is a personal suggestion but fights being more dinamic/coordinated/ and well executed makes an irreversible outcome that wont come if support classes can get killed in a combo if you get them out off guard.

    EQ gear at least makes you know that if you screw it, that if you are in a bad position, that if you have a high ping for network issues then you will get punished accordingly and that is obviously getting reck (it seems this is the way people uses for that situations).

    And I am not against BiS as itself, I have one of my toons in BiS (well mybe 2nd Bis) and another in Ambush, the others I have them in mid or low tier gear and BGs is a way to enjoy them but if I have to get BiS for more than 13 toons for me to be able to get that "better option" then I clearly see why PvPers were lost over time in this game, as many PvPers hates grindy rng stuff.

    However I still agree with your last sentence and I would add what I said before, make BHS add the PvP defense factor on mid and low tier gear and you would see a better option for most people doing PvP without relying in a heavy grind PvE content.
  • ElinUsagi wrote: »
    gib wrote: »
    to be fair, most of your comments in this thread have been "equalized gear isnt bad you're just bad at healer and need ur gear to carry u xd xd xd xd"

    it's plainly obvious that skill or not, in equalized battlegrounds healers are complete garbage. they can get one combo'd by every dps in the game. and that's not a matter of skill. all it takes is one confirm and you're dead.

    BiS gear and unequalized pvp is a better option than the current situation, but a revamped equalized gear system with re-rollable gear would be the best solution.

    To be fair I at least posted some suggestions but your friend keeps complaining about "healers issues" that I would address as skill issues if you say uneq gear is better and you know is not unless you compare BiS vs BiS, otherwise is even worst than eq gear on BGs.

    Skill or not, in uneq gear you can erase a healer in mid or low tier gear with a BiS gear dps, some people complain even that doing 20k healing is low when is not, you cant hope a healer with 3 secs cd on healing that can heal more than half of allies health to be called a balanced class and even more, making a support class the hardest class to kill is also something out of balance, is a personal suggestion but fights being more dinamic/coordinated/ and well executed makes an irreversible outcome that wont come if support classes can get killed in a combo if you get them out off guard.

    EQ gear at least makes you know that if you screw it, that if you are in a bad position, that if you have a high ping for network issues then you will get punished accordingly and that is obviously getting reck (it seems this is the way people uses for that situations).

    And I am not against BiS as itself, I have one of my toons in BiS (well mybe 2nd Bis) and another in Ambush, the others I have them in mid or low tier gear and BGs is a way to enjoy them but if I have to get BiS for more than 13 toons for me to be able to get that "better option" then I clearly see why PvPers were lost over time in this game, as many PvPers hates grindy rng stuff.

    However I still agree with your last sentence and I would add what I said before, make BHS add the PvP defense factor on mid and low tier gear and you would see a better option for most people doing PvP without relying in a heavy grind PvE content.

    Uh no, all you've been doing is spitting out nonsense and fail to see what ppl have been trying to say to you earlier. 20k healing is actually low which makes me wonder if you've ever done gridiron at all as a healer.

    Like I said I truly don't believe you do any pvp battlegrounds and are just [filtered] as heck.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    gib wrote: »
    to be fair, most of your comments in this thread have been "equalized gear isnt bad you're just bad at healer and need ur gear to carry u xd xd xd xd"

    it's plainly obvious that skill or not, in equalized battlegrounds healers are complete garbage. they can get one combo'd by every dps in the game. and that's not a matter of skill. all it takes is one confirm and you're dead.

    BiS gear and unequalized pvp is a better option than the current situation, but a revamped equalized gear system with re-rollable gear would be the best solution.

    To be fair I at least posted some suggestions but your friend keeps complaining about "healers issues" that I would address as skill issues if you say uneq gear is better and you know is not unless you compare BiS vs BiS, otherwise is even worst than eq gear on BGs.

    Skill or not, in uneq gear you can erase a healer in mid or low tier gear with a BiS gear dps, some people complain even that doing 20k healing is low when is not, you cant hope a healer with 3 secs cd on healing that can heal more than half of allies health to be called a balanced class and even more, making a support class the hardest class to kill is also something out of balance, is a personal suggestion but fights being more dinamic/coordinated/ and well executed makes an irreversible outcome that wont come if support classes can get killed in a combo if you get them out off guard.

    EQ gear at least makes you know that if you screw it, that if you are in a bad position, that if you have a high ping for network issues then you will get punished accordingly and that is obviously getting reck (it seems this is the way people uses for that situations).

    And I am not against BiS as itself, I have one of my toons in BiS (well mybe 2nd Bis) and another in Ambush, the others I have them in mid or low tier gear and BGs is a way to enjoy them but if I have to get BiS for more than 13 toons for me to be able to get that "better option" then I clearly see why PvPers were lost over time in this game, as many PvPers hates grindy rng stuff.

    However I still agree with your last sentence and I would add what I said before, make BHS add the PvP defense factor on mid and low tier gear and you would see a better option for most people doing PvP without relying in a heavy grind PvE content.

    Uh no, all you've been doing is spitting out nonsense and fail to see what ppl have been trying to say to you earlier. 20k healing is actually low which makes me wonder if you've ever done gridiron at all as a healer.

    Like I said I truly don't believe you do any pvp battlegrounds and are just [filtered] as heck.

    Says the troll that havent make a suggetion supporting it with actual basis and yet the same troll that postd 9 times the same thing in the same page in this thread.
  • ElinUsagi wrote: »
    FaytEsteem wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    gib wrote: »
    to be fair, most of your comments in this thread have been "equalized gear isnt bad you're just bad at healer and need ur gear to carry u xd xd xd xd"

    it's plainly obvious that skill or not, in equalized battlegrounds healers are complete garbage. they can get one combo'd by every dps in the game. and that's not a matter of skill. all it takes is one confirm and you're dead.

    BiS gear and unequalized pvp is a better option than the current situation, but a revamped equalized gear system with re-rollable gear would be the best solution.

    To be fair I at least posted some suggestions but your friend keeps complaining about "healers issues" that I would address as skill issues if you say uneq gear is better and you know is not unless you compare BiS vs BiS, otherwise is even worst than eq gear on BGs.

    Skill or not, in uneq gear you can erase a healer in mid or low tier gear with a BiS gear dps, some people complain even that doing 20k healing is low when is not, you cant hope a healer with 3 secs cd on healing that can heal more than half of allies health to be called a balanced class and even more, making a support class the hardest class to kill is also something out of balance, is a personal suggestion but fights being more dinamic/coordinated/ and well executed makes an irreversible outcome that wont come if support classes can get killed in a combo if you get them out off guard.

    EQ gear at least makes you know that if you screw it, that if you are in a bad position, that if you have a high ping for network issues then you will get punished accordingly and that is obviously getting reck (it seems this is the way people uses for that situations).

    And I am not against BiS as itself, I have one of my toons in BiS (well mybe 2nd Bis) and another in Ambush, the others I have them in mid or low tier gear and BGs is a way to enjoy them but if I have to get BiS for more than 13 toons for me to be able to get that "better option" then I clearly see why PvPers were lost over time in this game, as many PvPers hates grindy rng stuff.

    However I still agree with your last sentence and I would add what I said before, make BHS add the PvP defense factor on mid and low tier gear and you would see a better option for most people doing PvP without relying in a heavy grind PvE content.

    Uh no, all you've been doing is spitting out nonsense and fail to see what ppl have been trying to say to you earlier. 20k healing is actually low which makes me wonder if you've ever done gridiron at all as a healer.

    Like I said I truly don't believe you do any pvp battlegrounds and are just [filtered] as heck.

    Says the troll that havent make a suggetion supporting it with actual basis and yet the same troll that postd 9 times the same thing in the same page in this thread.

    I've told you several times why but yet you refuse to see it, and the fact that you counted how many times I posted it proves that you probably weren't reading anything I said or anything anyone else said clearly.
  • gibgib ✭✭✭
    ElinUsagi wrote: »

    EQ gear at least makes you know that if you screw it, that if you are in a bad position, that if you have a high ping for network issues then you will get punished accordingly and that is obviously getting reck (it seems this is the way people uses for that situations).

    except it doesn't. you can be playing your role perfectly right but if you get backstabbed or stunned or slept once you are done. and it sucks.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    gib wrote: »
    ElinUsagi wrote: »

    EQ gear at least makes you know that if you screw it, that if you are in a bad position, that if you have a high ping for network issues then you will get punished accordingly and that is obviously getting reck (it seems this is the way people uses for that situations).

    except it doesn't. you can be playing your role perfectly right but if you get backstabbed or stunned or slept once you are done. and it sucks.

    What it sucks is the lack of peel of your team mates if you are in a good position but I see how many here don't even complain about that but chose to address the lack of coordination as a gear issue.

    Is a sad thing that in almost every match on BGs tanks and DPSs class only want to go for the score and forget about team mates, that my friend is not something you should fix buffing your gear stats.
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