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Loot boxes... Bad deals

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  • It's about loot boxes and not events. It's about spending your cash and not feeling like you just got your arz rapped. Like i said, it happens to me with $120 and luck shouldn't be a factor at that level. This is just not right.

  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2017
    TWMagimay wrote: »
    Zamael wrote: »
    I sorry but i just don't buy it. It's bad RNG and if you spend $40 you should be grantee something that's equal or a little less in worth.

    And here's why this is a bad idea: Let's say they did it and if you bought $40 worth of boxes, you get at least $40 worth of items out of it. With the potential to get $400 worth of items from it. Would you ever buy a non-RNG item from the cash shop? Obviously, you wouldn't. Eventually those items will become so scarce, their price will skyrocket. Then you'll need your loot boxes readjusted as the $40 worth of items from before are not worth $40 any more. The end result being, f2p players say "beep this beep, I'm out". And then your $40 are worth nothing because there's nobody interested in buying your stuff.

    Oh, but this system can make you spend $400 and get nothing that can be even worth to $40.

    For the OP.

    The lootboxes are like buying lotery tickets, you could spend thousands of dollars on that and not get even 1/10 of the money spent. That's how RNG works.
    feminzii wrote: »
    Zamael wrote: »
    feminzii wrote: »
    just wait a month for them to give the costume out for free in some event or something

    Hmm, i don't know that dragons and volcanic armors will be going that way.

    lol
    weren't the volcanic stuff part of a kyras event like a month after they got released?
    and they've been giving out dragons like candy, too

    Royal Diamond dragons were also a price from strongboxes and something not that hard to get.
  • TWMagimayTWMagimay ✭✭✭✭✭
    ElinUsagi wrote: »
    TWMagimay wrote: »
    Zamael wrote: »
    I sorry but i just don't buy it. It's bad RNG and if you spend $40 you should be grantee something that's equal or a little less in worth.

    And here's why this is a bad idea: Let's say they did it and if you bought $40 worth of boxes, you get at least $40 worth of items out of it. With the potential to get $400 worth of items from it. Would you ever buy a non-RNG item from the cash shop? Obviously, you wouldn't. Eventually those items will become so scarce, their price will skyrocket. Then you'll need your loot boxes readjusted as the $40 worth of items from before are not worth $40 any more. The end result being, f2p players say "beep this beep, I'm out". And then your $40 are worth nothing because there's nobody interested in buying your stuff.

    Oh, but this system can make you spend $400 and get nothing that can be even worth to $40.

    That's the point.
  • YamazukiYamazuki ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2017
    feminzii wrote: »
    Zamael wrote: »
    feminzii wrote: »
    just wait a month for them to give the costume out for free in some event or something

    Hmm, i don't know that dragons and volcanic armors will be going that way.

    lol
    weren't the volcanic stuff part of a kyras event like a month after they got released?
    and they've been giving out dragons like candy, too

    No, it was the helmet and wings, not the armor. Events are normally mostly accessories with any full outfits being older stuff. The helmet and wings were already fairly cheap before Kyra's.
  • ElinUsagi wrote: »
    TWMagimay wrote: »

    And here's why this is a bad idea: Let's say they did it and if you bought $40 worth of boxes, you get at least $40 worth of items out of it. With the potential to get $400 worth of items from it. Would you ever buy a non-RNG item from the cash shop? Obviously, you wouldn't. Eventually those items will become so scarce, their price will skyrocket. Then you'll need your loot boxes readjusted as the $40 worth of items from before are not worth $40 any more. The end result being, f2p players say "beep this beep, I'm out". And then your $40 are worth nothing because there's nobody interested in buying your stuff.

    Oh, but this system can make you spend $400 and get nothing that can be even worth to $40.

    For the OP.

    The lootboxes are like buying lotery tickets, you could spend thousands of dollars on that and not get even 1/10 of the money spent. That's how RNG works.

    Hmm i don't think it falls in the same category as lottery ticket because of the way it's done. It's more like gambling because it's already define if your loot box will have an item in one of the 4 options. In some cases it will not even be in it so it's a useless loot box which come the scam part of it but you will never know. Here we have really bad RNG. The best items are in loot boxes in most cases. I wouldn't mind buying them straight out of the store if given the chances.

    Also, spending $400 and not even having the chance to win $40 in prize is not a good point.
  • LesbianViLesbianVi ✭✭✭✭✭
    feminzii wrote: »
    Zamael wrote: »
    feminzii wrote: »
    just wait a month for them to give the costume out for free in some event or something

    Hmm, i don't know that dragons and volcanic armors will be going that way.

    lol
    weren't the volcanic stuff part of a kyras event like a month after they got released?
    and they've been giving out dragons like candy, too

    correct, but RNG there was even worse than loot boxes lol
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Zamael wrote: »
    Also, spending $400 and not even having the chance to win $40 in prize is not a good point.

    Never said is a good point, by now when Hello Kitty! were released I had to spend $300 for one costume throught lootboxes, when Parlor and Maid outfits were in lootboxes I had to spend near $100 to get only one, for cycles same and kitty cat costumes same thing, and with this new summer swiumsuits I spent $400 and got nothing.

    If anything putting a cap would really benefit me but I can't complain that I was sammed when I already know that putting my money in a casino/lotery like item could make spend even thousands without getting anything worth the money spent.
  • I disagree. If you dont care about throwing away money fine. But i do. Defending or accepting this is not right. I tried it, saw how bad is and now i know to stay away.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Zamael wrote: »
    I disagree. If you dont care about throwing away money fine. But i do. Defending or accepting this is not right. I tried it, saw how bad is and now i know to stay away.

    The thing is "you are not forced to buy lootboxes" and "only thing p2w on them are 2.0 dragons", all other things offered in the cash shop in lootboxes don't really have that much impact on game but mostly on you character appearance.

    Now I would ask you, why so much interest in that if you don't care how others throw their money in the game?

    Does it hurt you to know how much a person had to spent on cash to get something that others get only throught gold earned in-game?

    I mean, you already acknowledge that lootboxes are not your thing and won't try it again, then how the current situation affects you?

    Aside from dyable costumes and a really few special version costumes, normal version and most of the mounts can be obtained throught direct purchase.

    Why so much hate for a system that you could have avoided in the first place if you know that luck could not be by your side?
  • > @ElinUsagi said:
    > Zamael wrote: »
    >
    > I disagree. If you dont care about throwing away money fine. But i do. Defending or accepting this is not right. I tried it, saw how bad is and now i know to stay away.
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    >
    >
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    > The thing is "you are not forced to buy lootboxes" and "only thing p2w on them are 2.0 dragons", all other things offered in the cash shop in lootboxes don't really have that much impact on game but mostly on you character appearance.
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    > Now I would ask you, why so much interest in that if you don't care how others throw their money in the game?
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    > Does it hurt you to know how much a person had to spent on cash to get something that others get only throught gold earned in-game?
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    > I mean, you already acknowledge that lootboxes are not your thing and won't try it again, then how the current situation affects you?
    >
    > Aside from dyable costumes and a really few special version costumes, normal version and most of the mounts can be obtained throught direct purchase.
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    > Why so much hate for a system that you could have avoided in the first place if you know that luck could not be by your side?

    I wanted to try it just like i have with other games and felt is corrupt. Is that wrong? Do i have keep silent? What's wrong with me bringing this up?

    Also, what you said about me wanting to know how much people throw to get is childish. I never said that but sure did now. Please dont put words in my mouth.

    I dont see the point you were trying to make when i specifically said it bother me and i had to point it out because i felt its a scam. If you feel different thats fine. You do you and keep it up and I do me.
  • Zamael wrote: »
    I wanted to try it just like i have with other games and felt is corrupt. Is that wrong? Do i have keep silent? What's wrong with me bringing this up?

    I don't think there's anything wrong with expressing your opinion, and besides that I think it's good for people to know what they're getting into with lootboxes and "gamble" with their eyes open. This is why I'm strongly in favor of posting the odds so that everyone knows their chances upfront and don't have expectations that won't be fulfilled. I think the current system creates far too many cases like yours where someone tries once, has a bad experience, and then completely swears it off. I really do think posting the odds and having a failure cap would improve the experience and increase sales. Alas, to convince top management at EME and BHS of this...

    On the other hand, I do think some of the specific words you used (like "scam" and "corrupt", etc.) are a bit strong, though I do understand why you felt that way.
  • SageWinduSageWindu High Seat of the Jedi Council ✭✭✭✭✭
    I mean, if I could have my preference, everything would be direct-buy at upfront prices and we'd call it a day, but it's obvious from a marketing perspective why this would never fly.

    I beg to differ. Are you familiar with the game Path of Exile by chance? If not, this is exactly how that game's cash shop functions and the game itself is flourishing. In fact, a new expansion just dropped a few weeks ago with an Xbox One version releasing literally between 24 and 30 hours from the time of this post.

    The game does have "mystery boxes" much like here in TERA, but the website itself gives stats and says that each item has "value equal to at least that of the box" (which costs 30 points, or $3USD). And if you don't wanna roll the dice, the contents "will all be available from the store approximately one month after" the current league is ends, replete with previews of the point costs when that eventuality is reached (the new league started earlier this month, however, so you're looking at around December or so for the current lootbox items to be available for direct purchase).

    So I think it could work so long as the proper care is put into the prices and the items themselves.
  • ZamaelZamael ✭✭
    edited August 2017
    > @counterpoint said:
    > Zamael wrote: »
    >
    > I wanted to try it just like i have with other games and felt is corrupt. Is that wrong? Do i have keep silent? What's wrong with me bringing this up?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > I don't think there's anything wrong with expressing your opinion, and besides that I think it's good for people to know what they're getting into with lootboxes and "gamble" with their eyes open. This is why I'm strongly in favor of posting the odds so that everyone knows their chances upfront and don't have expectations that won't be fulfilled. I think the current system creates far too many cases like yours where someone tries once, has a bad experience, and then completely swears it off. I really do think posting the odds and having a failure cap would improve the experience and increase sales. Alas, to convince top management at EME and BHS of this...
    >
    > On the other hand, I do think some of the specific words you used (like "scam" and "corrupt", etc.) are a bit strong, though I do understand why you felt that way.

    I agree that there are much better words i could have used. I just want to throw money at this game but the current loot system prevents me. And that s little upsetting to me.
  • If I get one gold for every thread that's been made about how bad the loot boxes are, I'll be a rich man by now. As the saying goes, always vote with your wallet if you something to change.
  • ElinUsagiElinUsagi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Zamael wrote: »
    > @counterpoint said:
    > Zamael wrote: »
    >
    > I wanted to try it just like i have with other games and felt is corrupt. Is that wrong? Do i have keep silent? What's wrong with me bringing this up?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > I don't think there's anything wrong with expressing your opinion, and besides that I think it's good for people to know what they're getting into with lootboxes and "gamble" with their eyes open. This is why I'm strongly in favor of posting the odds so that everyone knows their chances upfront and don't have expectations that won't be fulfilled. I think the current system creates far too many cases like yours where someone tries once, has a bad experience, and then completely swears it off. I really do think posting the odds and having a failure cap would improve the experience and increase sales. Alas, to convince top management at EME and BHS of this...
    >
    > On the other hand, I do think some of the specific words you used (like "scam" and "corrupt", etc.) are a bit strong, though I do understand why you felt that way.

    I agree thar there are much better words i could have used. I just want to throw money at this game but the current loot system prevents me. And that s little upsetting to me.

    Then saying this you mean there is no thing in the cash shop that you can directly buy that get your interests?
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