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Hackers in TERA

From all the information I've gathered so far from Discord, EME really screwed up big time. Prior to hiding the opcodes there were only a few dedicated developers and most people did not understand how the proxy system worked. Since BHS broke the opcode memory injector, opcodes now have to be mapped manually. The result of this is that players who previously only used proxy now feel the obligation to donate or help map the protocol. The amount of people who now understand how Tera netcode works is increased many times, from what I'm seeing there are at least a 3 times increase in the number of developers who now are capable of writing proxy content at a high level after being exposed to the mapping procedure. Even I myself who previously didn't know much about how it works had learnt a lot and I think I can probably program proxy decently if I tried.

I saw at least 6 people who independently discovered how to map opcodes for memeslash today on Discord and people are now starting to learn how to use Cheat Engine to do function tracing. Even packets not conventionally detectable by logging have been discovered through this method, including the GM panel. Even other regions are taking interest; prior to today there were no TW or RU server presence on Discord so proxy is now guaranteed to spread publicly on those regions.

I fear there will be a massive hacker epidemic to come, as a few developers no longer hold monopoly on proxy and netcode knowledge. EME I know you're not going to do anything but if you care about this game please do something, I don't like the direction of the discussions I'm reading on Discord and reddit. I still play this game many times a week, but I fear if you don't start actually fixing bugs rather than make fake security updates, the game will be run by hackers.
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  • NikuroTegaNikuroTega ✭✭✭✭
    Welp! Time for me to learn in order to keep playing this game!

    Hello world!
  • edited August 2017
    Well, great first memeslash and now this how much longer will they keep making stupid mistakes and destroying this game piece by piece I don't get it. Back in 2012-2016 there were not as many people exploiting the game as they are now. If they did exploit they were hidden under ground where the light did not shine out of fear of retribution of getting banned or facing the wrath of the mighty Tonka or the Treeshark.

    But these days now in 2017 hackers and proxy players will openly admit "yeah I'm hacking/using proxy deal with it. " then expect no consquence to be given or any at all. They will find new ways to exploit while you're trying to fix the old ways and always find a way around it. Not just a select few though with skill but anyone who knows how to do this.

    Idk what happened or how you guys let Tera fall to such a state of decay enmasse/BHS. but you need to get your [filtered] in gear and start shorting this out lest we be over run by hackers exploiters 24/7. and your game becomes nothing but a dead waste land of toxic players. now mixed in with the crowd of exploiters to terrible or too lazy to progress in any other way but cheating.

    This is sad, it is a sad state that this game has fallen to and soon enough everyone whose been here since the beginning. Is just going to throw their hands up and in a rage say "that's it I'm [filtered] done [filtered] this game 4-5 years of this [filtered] and they haven't fixed anything I'm done back to RuneScape/Wow/Bns/Aion/BDO/ whatever other mmorpg so long as it's not this garbage!"

    Some are already starting to do this already. You've already lost alot off your older players soon the new will start dropping out and you'll be left with a dead game. Unless you fix this and start [filtered] giving us something new to look forward to and enjoy.enjoy this game is going to hit a dead end. a point where no matter how many events and things you throw out there to try and compensate the players for your mistakes there will be no saving it.
  • game is dying. eme only gives the minimal effort and staff to keep the cash cow running. don't expect anything from them fam :^D
  • ...also vindicting people know how to proxy and such it's not hard and you need to stop perpetuating this I'm sure they know the games going to die soon if they don't fix it multiple threads will not solve this.
  • ...also vindicting people know how to proxy and such it's not hard and you need to stop perpetuating this I'm sure they know the games going to die soon if they don't fix it multiple threads will not solve this.

    No too long has the forum been completely detached from what's actually happening. The forum is an echo chamber and only get info months after it appears on Discord and days after it appears on reddit. We need to let EME understand the gravity of this situation and not just live in the forum echo chamber where news is slow and whiteknights are the norm.
  • Tbh, this game deserves to die. Players got sick of waiting for BHS to fix [filtered], they saw their chance to fix it themself and took it. For YEARS ppl asked optimization to BHS. What did they give us? Nothing. Now there is a Noc lag fix, FPS utility/modifications of s1 engine, and even a mod that forces the UI to be processed by the GPU instead of CPU ( bc aparently the option was there, but never enabled). For years players asked BHS to fix ping reliable skills such as Burst fire, Rapid fire and chains (with more than 200ms, u cant chain spring atack, blade draw or Sundering/shadow burst). Now there is a fix called SP.
    Are you really that surprised that ppl took the matter in their own hands?.
    If ppl were able to fix the game as a hobby, BHS could have done it, but they didnt give a [filtered]. Thats why this game deserves to die.
    The pandora's box has been opened, security updates wont do anything. Stop wasting time talking about if proxy is good or bad and start looking for a solution, bc proxy isnt going anywhere, like it or not.
    Also, yea, this post is agains rules of forums and will get closed.
    This is what I don't understand, people keep blaming but nobody is looking for solutions. And all the forum whiteknights like counterpoint and ElinUsagi don't even understand basic computer networking. They still somehow manage to be so arrogant and assume they are right despite being told they are wrong by knowledgeable people who have feats to back their claims up.
  • But these days now in 2017 hackers and proxy players will openly admit "yeah I'm hacking/using proxy deal with it. " then expect no consquence to be given or any at all. They will find new ways to exploit while you're trying to fix the old ways and always find a way around it. Not just a select few though with skill but anyone who knows how to do this.
    Except there is consequence, EME has been taking steps now. Dishing out permabans and 30 day bans to multiple people. As well as these security updates. They aren't perfect, but I think EME is finally taking the right steps to heal the hacking/proxy situation.

    Also, OP mentioned donating money to the proxy devs? HAHAHAHA. Giving money to people who weren't hired by BHS/EME, who are developing an unofficial product against the ToS. smh, maybe one day they'll give up the "dead game" that they were all banned from.

  • VindictingVindicting ✭✭✭
    edited August 2017
    But these days now in 2017 hackers and proxy players will openly admit "yeah I'm hacking/using proxy deal with it. " then expect no consquence to be given or any at all. They will find new ways to exploit while you're trying to fix the old ways and always find a way around it. Not just a select few though with skill but anyone who knows how to do this.
    Except there is consequence, EME has been taking steps now. Dishing out permabans and 30 day bans to multiple people. As well as these security updates. They aren't perfect, but I think EME is finally taking the right steps to heal the hacking/proxy situation.

    Also, OP mentioned donating money to the proxy devs? HAHAHAHA. Giving money to people who weren't hired by BHS/EME, who are developing an unofficial product against the ToS. smh, maybe one day they'll give up the "dead game" that they were all banned from.
    No you are misunderstanding me. I am saying EME is very simple-minded like you, and choose to use what I call duct tape solutions for problems unlike what smart people would do which is to fix the root of the problem and solve PR nightmare.

    If EME was smart they would:
    1. Fix the exploit packets.
    2. Communicate with proxy devs and community.
    3. Limit creating drama (see the first drama Noesis created and now this drama with their "security update" announcement).
    4. Not incentivize normal players to learn proxy development by breaking DPS meter / SP and patching OPcode to make it basically crowd source.

    If EME was dumb they would:
    1. Think banning 1% of memeslashers would do anything.
    2. Think that not communicating with devs and community would be good thing.
    3. Create a lot of drama and official posts about security fixes then get destroyed by third party devs.
    4. Make fake security updates that don't do anything except incentivize normal players to hack by introducing mere inconvenience.

    Also by donating money to proxy devs I mean Pinkie Pie received over $600 on the first day more than he ever had thanks to EME security update. I even saw them joke on Discord about how EME should do this more so more people will donate.

    Hope that clarifies your misconceptions.
  • Margarethe wrote: »
    Vindicting wrote: »
    Tbh, this game deserves to die. Players got sick of waiting for BHS to fix [filtered], they saw their chance to fix it themself and took it. For YEARS ppl asked optimization to BHS. What did they give us? Nothing. Now there is a Noc lag fix, FPS utility/modifications of s1 engine, and even a mod that forces the UI to be processed by the GPU instead of CPU ( bc aparently the option was there, but never enabled). For years players asked BHS to fix ping reliable skills such as Burst fire, Rapid fire and chains (with more than 200ms, u cant chain spring atack, blade draw or Sundering/shadow burst). Now there is a fix called SP.
    Are you really that surprised that ppl took the matter in their own hands?.
    If ppl were able to fix the game as a hobby, BHS could have done it, but they didnt give a [filtered]. Thats why this game deserves to die.
    The pandora's box has been opened, security updates wont do anything. Stop wasting time talking about if proxy is good or bad and start looking for a solution, bc proxy isnt going anywhere, like it or not.
    Also, yea, this post is agains rules of forums and will get closed.
    This is what I don't understand, people keep blaming but nobody is looking for solutions. And all the forum whiteknights like counterpoint and ElinUsagi don't even understand basic computer networking. They still somehow manage to be so arrogant and assume they are right despite being told they are wrong by knowledgeable people who have feats to back their claims up.

    I wouldn't call Counterpoint a whiteknight.
    He's been very helpful on the forums for a long time.
    I agree the constant suggestion of traceroute on network/server issues is not helpful.
    But what could they suggest? We're only able to give EME feedback, we're unable to make them do something.
    I don't like counterpoint because he keeps talking about things he has no knowledge of and acting arrogant. I think that is a very toxic mindset to have and is not helpful because he just spreads misinformation.
  • I feel like EME doesn't have the resources to fix all the problems we're currently facing and rely on BHS's resources and ability to fix things. I think BHS doesn't seem to care or is lazy about getting off their asses to fix something that isn't rampant in Korea. BHS only cares about Korea at this point. So EME is just caught in the middle as always. Either EME outsources some help to ramp up the security of the game, or actually ACT on the feedback of the community.
  • clfarron4clfarron4 ✭✭✭✭
    Vindicting wrote: »
    Tbh, this game deserves to die. Players got sick of waiting for BHS to fix [filtered], they saw their chance to fix it themself and took it. For YEARS ppl asked optimization to BHS. What did they give us? Nothing. Now there is a Noc lag fix, FPS utility/modifications of s1 engine, and even a mod that forces the UI to be processed by the GPU instead of CPU ( bc aparently the option was there, but never enabled). For years players asked BHS to fix ping reliable skills such as Burst fire, Rapid fire and chains (with more than 200ms, u cant chain spring atack, blade draw or Sundering/shadow burst). Now there is a fix called SP.
    Are you really that surprised that ppl took the matter in their own hands?.
    If ppl were able to fix the game as a hobby, BHS could have done it, but they didnt give a [filtered]. Thats why this game deserves to die.
    The pandora's box has been opened, security updates wont do anything. Stop wasting time talking about if proxy is good or bad and start looking for a solution, bc proxy isnt going anywhere, like it or not.
    Also, yea, this post is agains rules of forums and will get closed.
    This is what I don't understand, people keep blaming but nobody is looking for solutions. And all the forum whiteknights like counterpoint and ElinUsagi don't even understand basic computer networking. They still somehow manage to be so arrogant and assume they are right despite being told they are wrong by knowledgeable people who have feats to back their claims up.

    From what I understand, some of the mass usage of certain programs, which can be used malicious to exploit the game, started out of a means to fix some skill fundamental to their class, which then developed into what we see today.

    Back in April, I made a suggestion to address this very issue, but it was brushed off by EME staff. I have since tried again to make this suggestion with no response, and I have a thread in Game Suggestions.

    I've also tried getting other related discussions going for PvE and PvP content, with the goal of discussion what breaks with each class in the hope that other potential modifications come out of it to further reduce the need for third party programs, but no-one particularly seems to want to discuss it on here.

    I further referenced my suggestion on the Player Council Discord, only to have it brushed off with the "it's BHS" by a PC member, which made me feel like no-one there wants to know about suggestions for fixing the game.

    I've also made a support ticket, just so I can make my suggestions, even though there is no actual place for suggesting technical solutions to the game.

    Yes, my suggestion is one of those "difficult" fixes that requires a lot of work to be done, but at this point, we are well beyond the point where plaster-patches will both fix the issue and de-incentivise players to use 3-rd party programs to do what BHS hasn't done and an actual difficult fix is needed.
  • CassandraTRCassandraTR ✭✭✭✭✭
    First off,
    Vindicting wrote: »
    2. Communicate with proxy devs and community.

    You are out of your flippin mind if you think a game company has to communicate with anyone who has created a tool/utility/program/api/whatever that breaks their own terms of service, especially when their official policy is NO add-ons and they have no formal add on/mod support. Just because blizzard chose to do it doesn't mean any other company has to, nor does it mean it is financially feasible for a game that has such a different population from the largest mmo ever created.

    I'm not even going do address "fix the packets." You have a clear misunderstanding of how a computer works if you think it is not a simple task to identify and view packets from anything sent to your machines. There's freaking FAQs on Microsoft's website for crying out loud.

    Secondly,
    clfarron4 wrote: »
    Bunch of meaningless drivel.

    You keep bringing up how EME can fix the code, change the skill, do a revamp for multi-hit or charging skills to address ping, etc.... How many times do we have to say... EME can't do that. Only BHS can. Until you get that in your head, you're going to keep saying all of these pipe dreams. The player council discord?? Do you think BHS even gives a flip about that?

    EME is the publisher and distributor for NA. Not the developer. 5 years after TERA's release and you still can't figure that out.



  • VindictingVindicting ✭✭✭
    edited August 2017
    First off,
    Vindicting wrote: »
    2. Communicate with proxy devs and community.

    You are out of your flippin mind if you think a game company has to communicate with anyone who has created a tool/utility/program/api/whatever that breaks their own terms of service, especially when their official policy is NO add-ons and they have no formal add on/mod support. Just because blizzard chose to do it doesn't mean any other company has to, nor does it mean it is financially feasible for a game that has such a different population from the largest mmo ever created.
    Ya because Riot, Blizzard and Jagex are out of their minds. In fact those three companies (and many others) actually went and hired their biggest hackers and put them in top security positions. Which is why they're three of the biggest online game companies right?
    You're not very smart if you think communicating with skilled individuals has anything to do with financial feasibility. It's simply the right move to make in every circumstance, which is also why most reasonable tech companies offer cash rewards if you find exploits in their systems.
    I'm not even going do address "fix the packets." You have a clear misunderstanding of how a computer works if you think it is not a simple task to identify and view packets from anything sent to your machines. There's freaking FAQs on Microsoft's website for crying out loud.
    I don't know if you have a reading problem because in the past 3 days every post I wrote said it is very easy, so why do you think I don't think it's a simple task?
    You keep bringing up how EME can fix the code, change the skill, do a revamp for multi-hit or charging skills to address ping, etc.... How many times do we have to say... EME can't do that.
    If EME can't do that because of legal reasons then sure. If you think it's impossible for EME to do it because of technical reasons, yet a random band of players managed it, you are basically just saying EME is incompetent.
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