Hackers in TERA

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  • clfarron4clfarron4 ✭✭✭
    edited August 29
    Spacecats wrote: »
    \We have gotten no such offers. The e-mail is Community(at)enmasse(dot)com. It's public knowledge.

    @Spacecats Wait, so you're telling me that making the suggestions in the Forums, Filing Support Tickets and Posting in Game Suggestions is not the correct way to contact En Masse Entertainment to share highly technical fixes to improve the TERA experience, but an e-mail address which is listed on a page that I would not associate with submitting such type of suggestions?

    I can say that I certainly did not associate that page with suggesting highly technical fixes.

    Okay.
  • Now that you are openly answering, is there any official statement about why a bug from 2015 now know as Memeslash wasnt fix in your "security update"? This is game breaking, but wasnt even touched on the patch, which was mainly aimed at dpsmeters and proxy in general, even tho Memeslash can be done WITHOUT PROXY (omg, crazy ik). So even if u made proxy/dpsmeters obsolete, bug will still be there. Any info on that particular subject? @Spacecats
  • xoBarbxoBarb ✭✭✭
    Vindicting wrote: »
    xoBarb wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    The only difference is that there are more programmers out there with a lot of time on their hands.

    Anyone else volunteer to be a referral for these proxy devs resume so they can get out and focus on a real job instead of a game they're banned from?
    From what I read on Discord they're all doing this part time. These mods are anything from PhD students to medical doctors, and Meishu even works at Discord.

    Must be a pretty uneventful Thursday for a doctor to be able to dedicate the entire day mapping packets for a game they're literally not welcomed in
  • BlurberryBlurberry ✭✭✭
    Spacecats wrote: »
    Vindicting wrote: »
    xoBarb wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    The only difference is that there are more programmers out there with a lot of time on their hands.

    Anyone else volunteer to be a referral for these proxy devs resume so they can get out and focus on a real job instead of a game they're banned from?
    From what I read on Discord they're all doing this part time. These mods are anything from PhD students to medical doctors, and Meishu even works at Discord.

    Ah... I'd rather not comment except... nah. A medical doctor is not taking time out of their day to hack a free to play video game. Hackers can say they're Nobel prize winners. It doesn't make their hobby any more legit.

    The guy has a point. What dude goes to school for 6-7 years to be a licensed doctor, and then hacks in a f2p video game. Especially one that they really believe is "dying". Get a grip?? Lmao???
  • VindictingVindicting ✭✭✭
    Spacecats wrote: »
    Vindicting wrote: »
    xoBarb wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    The only difference is that there are more programmers out there with a lot of time on their hands.

    Anyone else volunteer to be a referral for these proxy devs resume so they can get out and focus on a real job instead of a game they're banned from?
    From what I read on Discord they're all doing this part time. These mods are anything from PhD students to medical doctors, and Meishu even works at Discord.

    Ah... I'd rather not comment except... nah. A medical doctor is not taking time out of their day to hack a free to play video game. Hackers can say they're Nobel prize winners. It doesn't make their hobby any more legit.
    I think you have a very prejudice view on what a hacker can and can't be. A lot of people just have interest in hacking as a challenge in their spare time, and in my field of IT I think most of my coworkers would have "hacked" at some point in their lives. Even Bill Gates was caught hacking in his youth.

    I think it's actually widely known in the TERA community that he's a medical doctor and he often helps out players interested in the field explaining the process to go through medical training and also shares a lot of stories and health stuff to discuss. Meishu doesn't post much but she's definitely a Discord staff based on Discord flair.
  • xoBarb wrote: »
    Vindicting wrote: »
    xoBarb wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    The only difference is that there are more programmers out there with a lot of time on their hands.

    Anyone else volunteer to be a referral for these proxy devs resume so they can get out and focus on a real job instead of a game they're banned from?
    From what I read on Discord they're all doing this part time. These mods are anything from PhD students to medical doctors, and Meishu even works at Discord.

    Must be a pretty uneventful Thursday for a doctor to be able to dedicate the entire day mapping packets for a game they're literally not welcomed in

    I too save lives during the day and hack free to play video games at night with my six-figure salary.
  • BlurberryBlurberry ✭✭✭
    xoBarb wrote: »
    Vindicting wrote: »
    xoBarb wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    The only difference is that there are more programmers out there with a lot of time on their hands.

    Anyone else volunteer to be a referral for these proxy devs resume so they can get out and focus on a real job instead of a game they're banned from?
    From what I read on Discord they're all doing this part time. These mods are anything from PhD students to medical doctors, and Meishu even works at Discord.

    Must be a pretty uneventful Thursday for a doctor to be able to dedicate the entire day mapping packets for a game they're literally not welcomed in

    I too save lives during the day and hack free to play video games at night with my six-figure salary.

    You are a true hero, GlitterBalloon.
  • edited August 29
    clfarron4 wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    \We have gotten no such offers. The e-mail is Community(at)enmasse(dot)com. It's public knowledge.

    @Spacecats Wait, so you're telling me that making the suggestions in the Forums, Filing Support Tickets and Posting in Game Suggestions is not the correct way to contact En Masse Entertainment to share highly technical fixes to improve the TERA experience, but an e-mail address which is listed on a page that I would not associate with submitting such type of suggestions?

    I can say that I certainly did not associate that page with suggesting highly technical fixes.

    Okay.

    No, that's not what I'm telling you. Sorry if my comment was confusing, but I'm talking about a conversation between hack developers and EME staff about collaboration. No such conversation was initiated by anyone creating these hacks.

    The forums, support tickets, and game suggestions are all places people can go to post bug reports and ideas for fixing/adding game features. There's no information there about circumventing TERA server security, and if there was it would have to be removed/archived so other people couldn't use it.
  • edited August 29
    Now that you are openly answering, is there any official statement about why a bug from 2015 now know as Memeslash wasnt fix in your "security update"? This is game breaking, but wasnt even touched on the patch, which was mainly aimed at dpsmeters and proxy in general, even tho Memeslash can be done WITHOUT PROXY (omg, crazy ik). So even if u made proxy/dpsmeters obsolete, bug will still be there. Any info on that particular subject? @Spacecats

    If memeslash was made in 2015 it's news to me. The Valkyrie didn't even come out until this year. Granted it might be based off an existing hack, but then I'd question why people don't just use the original. You only see it with Valkyrie. Unless of course the original hack was made unusable by some kind of security fix.

    As for a fix, Bluehole is working to address it further. There was a hotfix, but definitely not the last hotfix to ever combat hacks. In fact Denommenator was on last Friday's Twitch stream. You should check out that conversation if you want to see an open answer to the situation:
  • VindictingVindicting ✭✭✭
    edited August 29
    Spacecats wrote: »
    clfarron4 wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    \We have gotten no such offers. The e-mail is Community(at)enmasse(dot)com. It's public knowledge.

    @Spacecats Wait, so you're telling me that making the suggestions in the Forums, Filing Support Tickets and Posting in Game Suggestions is not the correct way to contact En Masse Entertainment to share highly technical fixes to improve the TERA experience, but an e-mail address which is listed on a page that I would not associate with submitting such type of suggestions?

    I can say that I certainly did not associate that page with suggesting highly technical fixes.

    Okay.

    No, that's not what I'm telling you. Sorry if my comment was confusing, but I'm talking about a conversation between hack developers and EME staff about collaboration. No such conversation was initiated by anyone creating these hacks.

    The forums, support tickets, and game suggestions are all places people can go to post bug reports and ideas for fixing/adding game features. There's no information there about circumventing TERA server security, and if there was it would have to be removed/archived so other people couldn't use it.
    On the "hackers" side they said EME never initiated conversation and they were shot down when they contacted you, and that you apparently personally lied on the forums and said you did a few months ago. I think the situation is quite suspicious, and I don't really know who's side to take so I'll be sceptical.

    The difference is I saw a lot of screenshot evidence from their side but you don't have any evidence for accusing them. If I recalled one of the devs even used megaphone to communicate with you in game and offered to solve the hack but you banned him.
  • Vindicting wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    Vindicting wrote: »
    xoBarb wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    The only difference is that there are more programmers out there with a lot of time on their hands.

    Anyone else volunteer to be a referral for these proxy devs resume so they can get out and focus on a real job instead of a game they're banned from?
    From what I read on Discord they're all doing this part time. These mods are anything from PhD students to medical doctors, and Meishu even works at Discord.

    Ah... I'd rather not comment except... nah. A medical doctor is not taking time out of their day to hack a free to play video game. Hackers can say they're Nobel prize winners. It doesn't make their hobby any more legit.
    I think you have a very prejudice view on what a hacker can and can't be. A lot of people just have interest in hacking as a challenge in their spare time, and in my field of IT I think most of my coworkers would have "hacked" at some point in their lives. Even Bill Gates was caught hacking in his youth.

    I think it's actually widely known in the TERA community that he's a medical doctor and he often helps out players interested in the field explaining the process to go through medical training and also shares a lot of stories and health stuff to discuss. Meishu doesn't post much but she's definitely a Discord staff based on Discord flair.

    You might be right. Sorry if I came across as narrow minded. I guess the point I wanted to make was that real life circumstances don't change the fact that hackers hurt the health of a game like TERA. Being a doctor doesn't give you a free morality pass to do other harmful things.
  • VindictingVindicting ✭✭✭
    Spacecats wrote: »
    Vindicting wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    Vindicting wrote: »
    xoBarb wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    The only difference is that there are more programmers out there with a lot of time on their hands.

    Anyone else volunteer to be a referral for these proxy devs resume so they can get out and focus on a real job instead of a game they're banned from?
    From what I read on Discord they're all doing this part time. These mods are anything from PhD students to medical doctors, and Meishu even works at Discord.

    Ah... I'd rather not comment except... nah. A medical doctor is not taking time out of their day to hack a free to play video game. Hackers can say they're Nobel prize winners. It doesn't make their hobby any more legit.
    I think you have a very prejudice view on what a hacker can and can't be. A lot of people just have interest in hacking as a challenge in their spare time, and in my field of IT I think most of my coworkers would have "hacked" at some point in their lives. Even Bill Gates was caught hacking in his youth.

    I think it's actually widely known in the TERA community that he's a medical doctor and he often helps out players interested in the field explaining the process to go through medical training and also shares a lot of stories and health stuff to discuss. Meishu doesn't post much but she's definitely a Discord staff based on Discord flair.

    You might be right. Sorry if I came across as narrow minded. I guess the point I wanted to make was that real life circumstances don't change the fact that hackers hurt the health of a game like TERA. Being a doctor doesn't give you a free morality pass to do other harmful things.
    It doesn't I completely agree with you. I just found your initial attitude towards those people misinformed in my opinion. Because I work in IT and everyone hacks I don't have a prejudice towards people who do (I do it too), but I just want you to know that these players you are labelling and dismissing are in fact very educated and reasonable people. Some of them even have deep contributions to TERA going back a few years, like one of them practically invented theorycrafting.
  • clfarron4clfarron4 ✭✭✭
    edited August 29
    Spacecats wrote: »
    Now that you are openly answering, is there any official statement about why a bug from 2015 now know as Memeslash wasnt fix in your "security update"? This is game breaking, but wasnt even touched on the patch, which was mainly aimed at dpsmeters and proxy in general, even tho Memeslash can be done WITHOUT PROXY (omg, crazy ik). So even if u made proxy/dpsmeters obsolete, bug will still be there. Any info on that particular subject? @Spacecats

    If memeslash was made in 2015 it's news to me. The Valkyrie didn't even come out until this year. Granted it might be based off an existing hack, but then I'd question why people don't just use the original. You only see it with Valkyrie. Unless of course the original hack was made unusable by some kind of security fix.

    This was in 2015, when Bathysmal Rise and Sky Cruiser Endeavor were the top dungeons.

    EDIT - Video removed due to forum violation.

    It's not memeslash, but it's a piercing projectile skill doing the exact same thing as memeslash.
  • 66ECX7NAN766ECX7NAN7 ✭✭✭✭
    xoBarb wrote: »
    Vindicting wrote: »
    xoBarb wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    The only difference is that there are more programmers out there with a lot of time on their hands.

    Anyone else volunteer to be a referral for these proxy devs resume so they can get out and focus on a real job instead of a game they're banned from?
    From what I read on Discord they're all doing this part time. These mods are anything from PhD students to medical doctors, and Meishu even works at Discord.

    Must be a pretty uneventful Thursday for a doctor to be able to dedicate the entire day mapping packets for a game they're literally not welcomed in

    Some of these "hackers" live in Europe, so it would have been Thursday evening for them.
  • Vindicting wrote: »
    The difference is I saw a lot of screenshot evidence from their side but you don't have any evidence for accusing them. If I recalled one of the devs even used megaphone to communicate with you in game and offered to solve the hack but you banned him.

    I get that it's hard to know who to believe. I guess I'm asking you to believe the ones that aren't causing all these problems for TERA players. They have more to prove as far as their good intentions go. For our part, we just want to make an awesome game that people enjoy. The more people enjoy the game, the more we all benefit. When people exploit and allow others to exploit... it only benefits the people making the exploits.

    Also, it is hard to prove a conversation didn't happen. The onus for us is to ban and stop hackers whenever possible, not ask them if they can help us stop them.
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