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Ninja is bad
Hello, I just want to create a similar thread to that "Slayer is bad", since Ninja is horrible for recent two patches (over one year) and it's future doesn't look bright at all.
I believe the most reliable statistics you can find is on Moongourd, which shows Ninja is barely beating Lancer in DPS, and even Brawler does way more than Ninja, let alone other DPS classes.
As a Ninja main myself, I have fullset Oblit+15, but I can tell people doesn't want to run with me, they aim for 3-4mins/boss and valk/warrior can usually do x1.5-2 of my dps so they would prefer a +15 weapon +12 armor valk instead of me. My Ninja is not allowed to join parse party/raid and in raid I'm usually at the back leg because other classes can do much more burn damage at 90% shield than ninja. This class is so weak that has caused such class discrimination, which makes me and a few of other ninja main players very sad. A lot of my Ninja friends quitted the game because of such issues we face everyday.
Maybe I'm wishful thinking, but it would be great if EME can consider to buff Ninja class on their own, or ask BHS for class balance localization, since we don't get the talen system. Let's be real, Ninja in NA and Ninja in Korea are completely two different classes X.X
I believe the most reliable statistics you can find is on Moongourd, which shows Ninja is barely beating Lancer in DPS, and even Brawler does way more than Ninja, let alone other DPS classes.
As a Ninja main myself, I have fullset Oblit+15, but I can tell people doesn't want to run with me, they aim for 3-4mins/boss and valk/warrior can usually do x1.5-2 of my dps so they would prefer a +15 weapon +12 armor valk instead of me. My Ninja is not allowed to join parse party/raid and in raid I'm usually at the back leg because other classes can do much more burn damage at 90% shield than ninja. This class is so weak that has caused such class discrimination, which makes me and a few of other ninja main players very sad. A lot of my Ninja friends quitted the game because of such issues we face everyday.
Maybe I'm wishful thinking, but it would be great if EME can consider to buff Ninja class on their own, or ask BHS for class balance localization, since we don't get the talen system. Let's be real, Ninja in NA and Ninja in Korea are completely two different classes X.X
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The problem is that Ninja isn't a bad class, but the talents that they have on KTERA are what make them strong ("KTERA doesn't balance around talents" is, quite frankly, [filtered]). Reducing CD of attunement on every burning heart crit and stacking power on every double cut crit are huge for their damage. Not to mention the talents that increase their Chi generation (aka more Burning Heart).
The issue here is that Ninja is a very good DPS class on KTERA, so they won't be getting buffed. Why would you buff a good DPS class? Ninja on other servers, which don't have the talent system, are by far the worst DPS class, and the most in need of being buffed. Because KTERA makes the balance changes, and because the class is good on KTERA with talents, we won't be seeing buffs anytime soon.
That is, unless the talent system is either A. removed from KTERA or B. added to other regions. Neither of which will happen.
Yep, Ktera ninja talents are huge. But OP, don't expect much to be done for it honestly.
Wait, that's actually a thing? Bloody hefl, why can't we get some of that goodness?
I haven't played ninja since warrior re-vamp (I main warrior now) but that's how I had to play the class back then. it seems they have further damaged fire avalanche on ninja since making the DPS of the class even less.
I do hope that ninja can have a balance update for NA and other regions soon. I miss my ninja. I hope they make it so that you don't have to take advantage of a glitch just to keep up with other classes.
No, no, they "don't" balance around talents
As for Harrowhold, DPS should be your last priority at all in that dungeon. People actually bringing up individual DPS in Harrowhold can leap out of a window because it's so freaking pointless. You should only be focusing on staying alive and burning past health % thresholds when necessary. You're also given a 20k+ Base Damage skill to use on demand for first shield, so you're always going to be on a hold leg should your raid decide to utilize that strategy. Quit thinking of it as "Man Ninja is such a bad class all I get to do is hold Avalanche for shields while every other 'real' dps class gets to do front paw dps.." Your class was gifted with an incredibly strong burst and your raid found a great use of it, embrace it.
If you're being denied from parse runs, this means you're asking to run with "friends" who've run with you in the past and realize you're not a good enough Ninja to be considered for the party. You'll never get turned down from an LFG as long as you +15 and Skilled unless people recognize your name and have had bad runs with you before. The question you should be asking yourself is, "Why are my 'friends' not letting me into their VSHM runs?" You'd be told the same on any class if you're attempting to do a proper parse run, because every class has an expected DPS output at the top tier and not meeting it is going to get you denied.
If you haven't been able to figure it out by now OP, you're not being denied from runs because you're a Ninja. You're being denied because you're a bad player who happens to play Ninja. Instead of focusing on other people's Moongourd logs you should be paying far more attention to your own. Your class is not a crutch for your own bad play.
b...butt I'm actually top 30 on ninja vshm and top 5 on ninja p4 :x They still prefer valk/warrior than me.
Honestly I only have 14 clears of vshm on ninja and for this entire patch I'm pretty much just doing harrowhold and hw afk as end game activities, so maybe if I ran more I could've been top 10 on vshm as well.
I played this game for almost 5 years now, have all classes lv65 and at least +12 for all of them. Most of them I don't play anymore, but out of the classes that I still play on, Ninja is just the worst. Now that I also remembered people ask me to switch to valk for fast runs.
I...I'm not bad >.<
Hmm the funny thing is my raids actually ban ninja smokebomb because it is extremely unreliable so people should iframe headbutt and stuff themselves xDDDDDDD