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Coming again with the comparation Lancer vs Brawler

Hello everyone,

I know this question has been made many times, indeed i looked for these topics but they are from 1+ year ago.

I am EU player, who moved to NA server, I have been playing Brawler in EU and I was curious about try out Lancer, which tank is better nowadays PvE/PvP wise?

Thanks in advance!

Comments

  • 9RA7AY6NK79RA7AY6NK7 ✭✭
    edited November 2017
    They're both good on their own.

    Lancer is a steroid machine for your party, while Brawler is basically a front DPS.
  • lancer is BEST CLASS, i have 130 days played
  • No one wants brawler because Lancer is a better tank by far. But with your ping, you won't be a good lancer so brawler is your choice i guess.
  • TankyHealerTankyHealer ✭✭✭
    edited November 2017
    VirtualON wrote: »
    No one wants brawler because Lancer is a better tank by far. But with your ping, you won't be a good lancer so brawler is your choice i guess.

    I have a god tier brawler in guild that I would absolutely kidnap to every dungeon every battleground, so like class really doesn't matter, skill does. Unless parse runs, that's a whole different story.

    And yes if you're from EU chances are you don't want to play lancer.
  • lancer, but somes skills desinc like onslaught in high ping.

    try warrior tank ,

    or if you want play "casual" get brawler
  • ObsObs ✭✭✭
    VirtualON wrote: »
    No one wants brawler because Lancer is a better tank by far. But with your ping, you won't be a good lancer so brawler is your choice i guess.

    I have a god tier brawler in guild that I would absolutely kidnap to every dungeon every battleground, so like class really doesn't matter, skill does. Unless parse runs, that's a whole different story.

    And yes if you're from EU chances are you don't want to play lancer.

    You can be the best brawler in the world and you still won't have Arush.
  • AyiAyi ✭✭✭
    Lancer -> Hard Mode
    Brawler -> Casual Mode

    Nothing wrong with either
  • For Party DPS.
    If your party WEAK, Brawler>Lancer.
    If your party STRONG, Lancer>Brawler.

    For Personal DPS.
    If your ping high, Brawler>>Lancer.
    If your ping low, Brawler>Lancer.
  • LethalweaponLethalweapon ✭✭
    edited November 2017
    Brawler is the best by far at high ping, and the fact that people prefer Lancer instead of Brawler is because of their ego a skilled and geared Brawler will do more damage than most of DPS's, its like Mystic and Priest right now, most of ppl prefer a mytic cause the average damage is bigger with mystic´s buffs
  • LethalweaponLethalweapon ✭✭
    edited November 2017
    CornishRex wrote: »
    >
    It's not just ego, if you have a party that does decent damage, a lancer will simply make the run faster with a better endurance debuff and guardian shout + aspeed. And who doesn't want faster runs?
    The difference in dps is bigger with a lancer instead of a brawler compared to mystic/priest from what I've noticed, I might be wrong since this is just based on my experience.

    I agre with you best output damage party right now must have Lancer and mystic and 3 experient DPS's, wich makes Lancer good for closed partys, but Lancers is still a ping dependent class which makes it prohibitive for most players, maybe with upcoming Brawler's endurance debuff from jackhammer could improve dps a little.
  • lily89lily89 ✭✭
    edited November 2017
    I was from europe too but moved to na few years ago and I main lancer . It's quite crazy to tank when your ping random go from 150 ms to 300+ ms sometime and i die a lot because of that but even if I use brawler I would also die from same things because those mechanics need to be dodge or get out of the way and lancer or brawler wouldn't make any different in that case , will die anyway .
    You should try out both if you have time and decide which one suit you the best is my advice . I find lancer funnier and more challenging than brawler , as others say lancer is pure tank , you feel like you play a tank class as lancer while brawler you feel more like a front dps ... you keep aggro by keep hitting and don't have to worry about have to time block attacks manually like lancer that's all . Your choose to be a pure tank or an offensive tank , both have pros and cons I can try to list some .
    Lancer :
    Pros :
    + More stun .
    + Keep aggro easier , aggro shout skill lower cd and can be spam .
    + Have party buffs .
    + 0 sec cd dodge as long as you have resolve you cna keep dodging .
    + The only skill that would have a long animation lock which can't be cancel is wallop .
    Cons :
    - Self dmg is lower than brawler , my lancer with better gear and higher critic factor than my brawler critic 2 times less than my brawler with bad gear , how sad .
    - Have to manual block attacks the only skill has auto front block is wallop but you may get animation lock and die because you can't cancel it mid way .
    - No bullrush , lancer's rush skill can't change direction .
    - Onslaught desync at high ping and may turn boss , kill you randomly .

    Brawler :
    Pros :
    + Growing fury 0 sec cd when turn on grant all yours attack a front block effect so you don't have to manual block stuffs just can auto attack if all skills on cd still have block on.
    + Can air combo small mobs to death if you know how which make this class very safe to tank ton of small mobs in same time which lancer can't .
    + Perfect block also deal dmg to enemy .
    + Bullrush can gather mobs and change to all directions .
    + Self dmg higher than lancer and critic way more than lancer .
    + More kd and stagger than lancer . Some is from normal attack combo which don't required mp .
    Cons:
    - Only 1 stun skill if you fail stun at some stun mechanic then rip you .
    - No party buff only self buff ( growing fury ) .
    - Air hit skills are useless against bams and bosses since you can't toss them on air .
    - Haymaker like Onslaught may sometime glitch/desync which make boss suddenly turn in other side .
    - Have to keep dmg boss to keep aggro since aggro shout too long cd . If you try to move boss and your dps keep hitting boss you will never success it since you need to hit boss to regenate more aggro .
    - Easier to get animation lock than lancer and die because of that .

    I may have forgotten some details but I think I point out the essentials . If someone have something to add to my list go ahead .
  • aeee98aeee98 ✭✭✭✭
    Brawler's endurance debuff increase only makes them more "usable" at endgame when in comparison to warrior tank.

    Warrior tank has 10% Endurance debuff (correct me if I am wrong) AND a permanent mini A-rush. And contrary to what you may think a warrior tank has that potential to outdps Brawler tanks way easier than before. Meaning Brawler is outclassed in every single way. Yes Brawler has it way easier at doing damage especially in earlier dungeons where you can get multiple free "reflect damage" as well as free infinite block, but that's about it. A future patch (confirmed from KTERA) giving slight but sufficient buffs to brawler and priest (5% CDR buff on estars, who wouldn't want that?) will make them more viable.

    And let's be honest. The only real reason why warrior tanks aren't very common is because the game lags a ton whenever there is one.
  • HLK76PFWXTHLK76PFWXT ✭✭✭
    edited November 2017
    I would take Brawler for PvE besides HM where i would take Lancer because i feel more comfortable with extra support rather than extra dps which is a tiny bit compared to what the real DPS classes can do anyway..
  • 66ECX7NAN766ECX7NAN7 ✭✭✭✭
    Lancer is better unless you find yourself in a party with bad dps.
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