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Gunner Race change to Elins

enthusiasticenthusiastic
in TERA PC - General Discussion
So I understand that TERA NA isn't going to be possible...for now.... HOWEVER, it seems EU has posted their patch notes on the new patch. (Would be great if NA posted theirs sooon... >>)

"In patch 62 it is not possible to use a Race Change Voucher to transform a High Elf or Castanic Gunner into an Elin. This will become possible in 2018."



Possibility for race change is going to happen but just later on~ and I'm sure NA wouldn't miss this chance to make money. So for anyone who's lazy to make an elin gunner and lvl one, but already made an gunner here's something cool to know.


PS: Idk if this was posted before but it's good to know...



https://en.tera.gameforge.com/news/detail/patch-notes-62-03-the-elin-gunner

Comments

  • counterpointcounterpoint mod
    edited November 2017
    It's conceivable that they might not do the same thing here, even if EU does, because race change here has an additional support cost for manually migrating all the costumes, which eats into a lot of whatever "profit" they might have selling race change vouchers. In every other region, including EU, they don't do that, so selling race change vouchers is pure profit. This doesn't mean that they won't do it here, but it's not necessarily guaranteed.
  • enthusiasticenthusiastic ✭✭
    idk i don't think they would lose this opportunity to make money. Especially race change would make them a lot of profit.
  • counterpointcounterpoint mod
    enthusiastic wrote: »
    idk i don't think they would lose this opportunity to make money. Especially race change would make them a lot of profit.

    But it actually doesn't give them as much profit as you think because they eat the cost of having people perform race changes due to the manual work. I think it would make them more money if everyone were to create new characters and buy mounts/costumes/etc. for them.
  • enthusiasticenthusiastic ✭✭
    It would give them benefits during the beginning and that's why I highlighted the fact you can race change in the future. in 2018 ... by the time 2018 hits ppl who have elin gunners have it and ppl can now race change they high elf/ Castnic into elins. Still would be profit for them.
  • AnnieyAnniey ✭✭
    That doesnt change the fact that for them to do race changers they have to PAY people to change over the costumes, so its NOT a big profit for them.
  • tisnotmetisnotme ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2017
    Yep , small profit from race change with big expense to have people changing inventory stuff to suit your new Elin from your Elf/Catastanic
    Or big profits from every one getting new equipment for a Elin gunner

    But as said it IS possible that they may allow it in the future , hell any thing IS possible , but as they have recently said , there is NO future plans in place at this moment to implement the race change feature for this particular situation
  • ElinLoveElinLove ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well we can only speculate at this point. Possible it sure is, but if it will be done or not is a different story.

    What I have said before on a similar topic (this one: https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/19191/gunner-race-change-posibility-in-the-future#latest), is that it's likely that they will NOT reveal their future intentions at all for quite a while, whatever they may be.
    Think about spoiling up the release of the Elin Gunner right now with "oh don't worry, if you wait 2 months you'll be able to!" how many would simply not level a character at all while the intention was exactly to hype it up and have people playing it on launch?

    Revealing that would pretty much be like what Sega did with the Saturn, blatantly saying "the Saturn is not our future" while it was the current generation they had for sale. History told us how this goes.
  • clfarron4clfarron4 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2017
    This a point I brought up on the Official Discord weeks ago and I think it's worth saying here for the Elin Gunner.
    They straight up didn't allow race changing to Elin Gunner in KTERA, so the mechanism for actually doing the change might not be there at all

    And you gotta remember that Gameforge actually have developers to test and push out "new" stuff (just look at the beta testing going on for DSU), so it may just be a thing that is local to Gameforge.
  • JerichowJerichow ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2017
    counterpoint wrote: »
    ... because race change here has an additional support cost for manually migrating all the costumes, which eats into a lot of whatever "profit" they might have selling race change vouchers.

    Exactly this - it's all about the bottom line.

    If they allowed race changes to Elin Gunners, yes they will make a profit off of the race change vouchers, but they will have to go in and swap over the hundreds, may be even thousands of costume items to Elin-Only versions.

    However....

    If they don't allow you to change over and keep your costumes, sure they don't make money off of race change vouchers, but how much MORE MONEY do you think they're going to make off of people who now feel that irresistible itch to RE-OUTFIT their new Elin gunners?

    I mean think about it... two people, TWO PEOPLE on this forum spent a combined total of over $700 trying to get one mount, and one costume. Now I don't think I need to go into any intricate numbers to drive this point home but how many hundreds or thousands of people are going to be making an Elin gunner and will NEED to outfit the bajezus out of them the second they get the chance? How much money in the cancerous aids that is the lootbox/loot trap system will they make by NOT allowing people to race-change over to an Elin?

    It's all about the money - and EME knows there are going to be people who just cannot control or help themselves and will need to play Barbie with their cute new Elins and dress them up in all those fancy cute clothes that are going to need to be bought through lootboxes. EME already knows this, and whatever fallout they get on the forums for not allowing race-change is going to be completely overshadowed by the thousands and thousands of dollars they're going to make on lootboxes for those that can't seem to function in this game without their fancy RNG clothes.
  • ElinLoveElinLove ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jerichow wrote: »
    counterpoint wrote: »
    ... because race change here has an additional support cost for manually migrating all the costumes, which eats into a lot of whatever "profit" they might have selling race change vouchers.

    Exactly this - it's all about the bottom line.

    If they allowed race changes to Elin Gunners, yes they will make a profit off of the race change vouchers, but they will have to go in and swap over the hundreds, may be even thousands of costume items to Elin-Only versions.

    However....

    If they don't allow you to change over and keep your costumes, sure they don't make money off of race change vouchers, but how much MORE MONEY do you think they're going to make off of people who now feel that irresistible itch to RE-OUTFIT their new Elin gunners?

    I mean think about it... two people, TWO PEOPLE on this forum spent a combined total of over $700 trying to get one mount, and one costume. Now I don't think I need to go into any intricate numbers to drive this point home but how many hundreds or thousands of people are going to be making an Elin gunner and will NEED to outfit the bajezus out of them the second they get the chance? How much money in the cancerous aids that is the lootbox/loot trap system will they make by NOT allowing people to race-change over to an Elin?

    It's all about the money - and EME knows there are going to be people who just cannot control or help themselves and will need to play Barbie with their cute new Elins and dress them up in all those fancy cute clothes that are going to need to be bought through lootboxes. EME already knows this, and whatever fallout they get on the forums for not allowing race-change is going to be completely overshadowed by the thousands and thousands of dollars they're going to make on lootboxes for those that can't seem to function in this game without their fancy RNG clothes.

    it itches me like you're talking about me hehe
    But then again, I'm that player that WILL dress up that doll like mad after all, and in other hand, I also don't want to lose my Castanic gunner (ye, Erina taught me the cute side of Castanics), so I wouldn't be race changing. And the other option would be my abandoned Elf, that would need a name change to be fitting (as Daughter.Of.Elleon fits perfectly an elf but not an Elin) and has only one costume so no profit in me changing. Yes, even my abandoned characters have at least one costume, save for my Mystic since I couldn't buy the Pirate costume yet...

    And then when we check out how much in dollars one of my characters have, let's pick my current main Priest, that's north of 200 dollars in costumes for one dress-up doll. And yes I will be doing something similar on my Gunner I can predict this... That's obviously just one of the characters, I also have quite some costumes ready in dressing room + want those new Idol ones... You can already predict how much money some crazy Elin maniac like me would move albeit I may be slower at it since quite occupied with studies... even if I did have costumes ready, I still want some more...

    I ain't the only one who will be doing such too. What I would wonder the most tho is how much dress-up doll potential the Elves and Castanics have in average, how much costumes in average does a Castanic and Elf player have. I sure have at least 3 on my Castanics, but Elins do have more. What I would think then, is that it's more of an issue on man-hour cost of support to deal with the amazing number of costume swaps than the lost profit on their sale.
    Say if each Castanic/elf player has in average 2 costumes, that end up not being much more than the race changer cost, it would on paper mean nothing UNTIL you count the labor cost. This, along with creating the atmosphere of lots of players leveling together, is what I consider the biggest issue here.
  • counterpointcounterpoint mod
    Jerichow wrote: »
    It's all about the money - and EME knows there are going to be people who just cannot control or help themselves and will need to play Barbie with their cute new Elins and dress them up in all those fancy cute clothes that are going to need to be bought through lootboxes.
    I mean, that is the business model that allowed TERA to transition to F2P and to keep surviving even though people have kept saying the game is "dead" for years. Elin dress-up is the golden calf for this game, and that's the entire reason Elin gunner exists. I think everyone agrees that there are problems with this business model (and there are specific things I still say need to be changed about lootboxes in particular), but the game's survival does, at the end of the day, depend on them making money. It's what keeps people employed and the servers running.

    That said, it's worth pointing again that all other regions depend on this too and they don't even let you race-change costumes at all. Want to buy a race-change? No problem! Now you can buy all new costumes for the new race, or you can buy another race-change to change back. If EME did that too, they'd probably make even more money... but at the end of the day, they figure this is a better way to keep customers happy (and that too is part of remaining profitable).

    I think it's good to push for constructive changes to lootboxes to be more transparent and fair, but they won't do things that bite the hands that feed them.
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